The Ring Magazine Top 10 fighters of the 21st Century

A quarter of the way in The Ring has made their Top 10 list in their latest monthly edition. https://rtfight.com/news/ring-top-10-p4p-21st-century-usyk-floyd-lomachenko 1. Floyd Mayweather 2. Manny Pacquiao 3. Terence Crawford 4. Oleksandr Usyk 5. Naoya Inoue 6. Roman Gonzalez 7. Bernard Hopkins 8. Vasyl Lomachenko 9. Andre Ward 10. Saul Alvarez Thoughts?

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djtmal(edited)

No one. Floyd was hurt. h. Lol. He wasn't hurt He was scared of who was up next Williams Margarito and undefeated Cotto We know we know his hands was hurtin for two years They started feeling better when lightweight Marquez emerged

4mo ago

IronDanHamza

Lol No one counts Manny as one of Floyd's best victories, and you here gloating over a lackluster victory over a shopworn fighter because your standards are low Speaking of shopworn, was Bernard Hopkins shopworn when he fought Calzaghe?

4mo ago

djtmal

He beat Manny. h. Lol No one counts Manny as one of Floyd's best victories, and you here gloating over a lackluster victory over a shopworn fighter because your standards are low

4mo ago

The_Big_Dunn

Floyds ww run was utter garbage Who ducks out of the division for two years to avoid fighting the guys calling you out, only to return to fight a lightweight, and who counts a 0-0 non boxer on their resume to manufacture a 50 0 record He beat Manny. No one. Floyd was hurt. He returned with a tune up same as anyone that been out of action hurt. That was Floyd’s reward for being the ultimate cash cow. Stop hating like a biyatch.

4mo ago

djtmal(edited)

Manny had a ton of fights with bums and doorman as a young fighter. Floyds ww run was utter garbage Who ducks out of the division for two years to avoid fighting the guys calling you out, only to return to fight a lightweight, and who counts a 0-0 non boxer on their resume to manufacture a 50 0 record

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4mo ago

hugh_grant(edited)

The biggDunn I I asked you question when has floyd gone into a fight with fear of being robbed, I assure you his peers did? Pac gave barrera rematch to show he's better, floyd never did that I agree with you even with home advantage and controversies of some sort. You call pac s opponents bums but I assure you, barrera, morales and jm M gave pac tougher fights than ssm, dlh and hatton ever did. It's very unlikely floyd with his cautious reputation ever did anything otherwordly, and sr r didn't get 4 gift wins like floyd, neither did willie pep in his first 63 fights? Pac has a better record against common opponents, whether more dominant, or more wins so what exactly has floyd did that he thinks he can get out of sport after 48 fights, as best of era, with a cw just before retirement to keep zero?

4mo ago

The_Big_Dunn

Floyd dont come out ahead in anything stop using words for effect. You dont evaluate anything, just disrespect the history of the sport.. Floyds favoured as he cherry picks fighters not far removed coming off losses, or 6 years later than he should have, uses cws and is a fighter who dont take risks doesn't step up 8 divisions and knows his limits and dont like adversity, only fights at home so opponent know they have to ko floyd, that's pressure. When was floyd ever in his career scared of being robbed? Pac has proven to be better than a wider range of fighters with winning rematches and triologies over fighters. Floyds not even proved hes better h2h.at best can claim he got the luck on the night So you not using same standard of evaluation, you hold floyd to lower standards clearly. Again SRR couldn't retire after after 48 fights and claim to be greater than Willie pep, unless you try doing SRR favours and reaching for him and try diminish what Willie p ep did at the same time. It's time to take your rose tinted specs off In other words- you’re right Dunn, we shouldn’t compare upsets to Floyd beating Manny because Floyd was better, despite being older, and was favored and won. Floyd isn’t from Las Vegas so he wasn’t fighting at home. He fought in America because that is where the money is. That is why Manny came here. It wasn’t bravery. It was money. He fought trilogies and rematches because he either lost or had a draw. Floyd fought rematches he won because they were close wins. Huh? He can’t claim he’s the best h2h despite winning 10-2, 10-2 and 9-3 on the cards? Geez you gotta stop ball gurgling like this. Number of fights is irrelevant. Salvador Sanchez is an ATG with 48 fights. Floyd is an ATG with 50 fights. The quality of the opponents they beat is what makes them ATGs. SRR couldn’t do that because his first 50 fights weren’t top tier. Just like the bulk of Manny’s first 25 fights-Bums and low level pros. Floyd and Sanchez, among others, are different.

4mo ago

hugh_grant(edited)

When you use the same standard to evaluate both career, Floyd always comes out ahead. laing upset Duran. Floyd didn’t upset Manny. He was favored because he was better. That is how all these fights you keep talking about differ. Manny is the lesser boxer he just didn’t upset Floyd. Manny had a ton of fights with bums and doorman as a young fighter. Stop acting like that volume of poor quality elevates him . Floyd dont come out ahead in anything stop using words for effect. You dont evaluate anything, just disrespect the history of the sport.. Floyds favoured as he cherry picks fighters not far removed coming off losses, or 6 years later than he should have, uses cws and is a fighter who dont take risks doesn't step up 8 divisions and knows his limits and dont like adversity, only fights at home so opponent know they have to ko floyd, that's pressure. When was floyd ever in his career scared of being robbed? Pac has proven to be better than a wider range of fighters with winning rematches and triologies over fighters. Floyds not even proved hes better h2h.at best can claim he got the luck on the night So you not using same standard of evaluation, you hold floyd to lower standards clearly. Again SRR couldn't retire after after 48 fights and claim to be greater than Willie pep, unless you try doing SRR favours and reaching for him and try diminish what Willie p ep did at the same time. It's time to take your rose tinted specs off

4mo ago

The_Big_Dunn

Here you go again making no sense, gobbledygo*k. If I try decipher what your saying ill end up talking nonsense too, that's why best to ignore trolling. Kirkland laings win over Duran is better than floyds win over pac. But Kirkland not greater than pac, and neither is floyd. But nobody would care how great Kirkland win is, Duran greater than kirland. It dont matter how good or poor floyds win over pac is. Pacs greater, with so many more wins, over different opponents and more dominant over common opponents with common opponents acknowledging pac s toughest. I can't imagine srr having any legit claim to be ing best of his time with only 48 wins, when all his peers have done so much more with 80 win records. People who rate floyd get too carried away with the hard to hit persona When you use the same standard to evaluate both career, Floyd always comes out ahead. laing upset Duran. Floyd didn’t upset Manny. He was favored because he was better. That is how all these fights you keep talking about differ. Manny is the lesser boxer he just didn’t upset Floyd. Manny had a ton of fights with bums and doorman as a young fighter. Stop acting like that volume of poor quality elevates him .

4mo ago

hugh_grant(edited)

Of course you’d say this. If you actually believe this ok. That means Manny should get less credit for wins over Barrera and Morales as they are Jones and Raheem’s leftovers. Floyd is greater than both. I haven’t stated JMM is better than Manny because imo he isn’t. Either way Floyd dominated both of them. Why does he get less credit, just so you can elevate Manny. Cool that means Manny’s win over Ledbawa is lessened for the same reasons. Cool than by the same token Manny should get less credit for his win over Thurman. If you hold both Floyd and Manny to the same standards, Floyd always comes out ahead. Here you go again making no sense, gobbledygo*k. If I try decipher what your saying ill end up talking nonsense too, that's why best to ignore trolling. Kirkland laings win over Duran is better than floyds win over pac. But Kirkland not greater than pac, and neither is floyd. But nobody would care how great Kirkland win is, Duran greater than kirland. It dont matter how good or poor floyds win over pac is. Pacs greater, with so many more wins, over different opponents and more dominant over common opponents with common opponents acknowledging pac s toughest. I can't imagine srr having any legit claim to be ing best of his time with only 48 wins, when all his peers have done so much more with 80 win records. People who rate floyd get too carried away with the hard to hit persona

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4mo ago

The_Big_Dunn

Floyd gets less credit for his win over Pac than JMM did, Floyds got JMM leftovers. Floyds not greater than Pac anymore than JMM is. Floyd gets less credit than Calzaghe for his win over Hopkings. Floyd gets less credit for his win over Pac than Turpin gets for beating SRR. Of course you’d say this. If you actually believe this ok. That means Manny should get less credit for wins over Barrera and Morales as they are Jones and Raheem’s leftovers. Floyd is greater than both. I haven’t stated JMM is better than Manny because imo he isn’t. Either way Floyd dominated both of them. Why does he get less credit, just so you can elevate Manny. Cool that means Manny’s win over Ledbawa is lessened for the same reasons. Cool than by the same token Manny should get less credit for his win over Thurman. If you hold both Floyd and Manny to the same standards, Floyd always comes out ahead.

4mo ago

hugh_grant(edited)

Stop talking about ifs. Let’s discuss facts. The same amount of credit you’d have given Manny if he beat Floyd. No more. No less. Live up to the post you deleted. Don’t be a spineless worm of human being. What IV? PAC was fine going into the ring lifting his arm for selfies. Only after the loss did he complain about a shoulder. Not much because Louis was way old and past it, taking the fight because he needed money. Sorry, Manny isn’t as most of the rankings, including this one, shows Floyd gets less credit for his win over Pac than JMM did, Floyds got JMM leftovers. Floyds not greater than Pac anymore than JMM is. Floyd gets less credit than Calzaghe for his win over Hopkings. Floyd gets less credit for his win over Pac than Turpin gets for beating SRR.

4mo ago

The_Big_Dunn

If pac best spence or bud, naturally much bigger guys it would be an ATG win, just like pac s win over thurman was. If they beat pac it wouldn't be AT G wins, they'd just get credit for beating one of the best fighters in the division, as pac moved up so many divisions and being more past prime. Exactly how much credit do you think Floyd's needs for his win over a pac who was koed not too long before? With the IV and Pac s bad shoulder controversy hanging over the win like a dark cloud? How much credit does max schmelling get for beating Joe louis? Pac s still greater than floyd! Pac is best of era, pfp, nothing wrong with.losing. If losing was good enough for Ali, SRR and RJJ it's good enough for pac too. Stop talking about ifs. Let’s discuss facts. The same amount of credit you’d have given Manny if he beat Floyd. No more. No less. Live up to the post you deleted. Don’t be a spineless worm of human being. What IV? PAC was fine going into the ring lifting his arm for selfies. Only after the loss did he complain about a shoulder. Not much because Louis was way old and past it, taking the fight because he needed money. Sorry, Manny isn’t as most of the rankings, including this one, shows

4mo ago