It's just like the guy at the racetrack yelling "Come on, you Nag!!!!" At one of the 100 best 3-year-old Thoroughbreds in the world, because he stands to lose his big 100 bucks. Being Critical of an athlete is part of the fun of being a sports fan. But, let's get real.
Boxing is the hardest major sport in the world, and nobody who can battle their way into the top 50 actually "Sucks".
If the kiddies on Boxing Scene really do believe in the things they post; I wonder if you also believe, for the purpose of exercising your Cynicism, random generalities like these:
Soccer is a feminine, weakling sport designed for children, where zero upper body strength is needed. For this reason, the sport is maintained as a children's game in the United States while the adult, professional version is largely ignored in spite of our media's attempts to push it like a Woke narrative.
MMA is a place that exists for fighter athletes who aren't good enough or confident enough to even try the bigger earnings potential available in Boxing, and these lower tier fighters are even allowed shortcuts like girly kicking, choking and quitting with a tap.
Grappling, Wrestling, BJJ are sports that become a daily passion for a straight man never ever, even once.
Basketball is a sport where, because of it's basket height and nature; being birth-defect tall is vastly more important than being a great athlete; or even a good one.
The prancing fruitcakes that populate professional Tennis are displaying the kind of feminine weakness that leads to the fall of Empires.
Golf is not an athletic sport because being an athlete doesn't make you play better. The caddy who carries the stuff might be considered an athlete because he's at least breaking a sweat; but not the golfer.
Are you being serious? Are you just straw manning me to mess around? You understand the premise of this thread right, and have read my posts?
Where did I imply he was "some sort of legend"?
The idea of this thread is how boxing fans complain that top tier boxers, "suck". And how they whine about the best fighters in the world. One poster argued that Wilder '******', to which I pointed out at his prime he was better than 99% of the active heavyweights in the world.
Explain to me how that means I was implyig he was a legend?
So just to clarify, during his prime you feel that there were 40+ active heavyweights who would consistently beat Wilder in the ring if they fought?
The simpletons you are responding to are incapable of any sort of nuanced discussion. I suggest putting them on ignore.
a guy who had never boxed before did that lol and that same guy fought fury closer!
So just to clarify, during his prime you feel that there were 40+ active heavyweights who would consistently beat Wilder in the ring if they fought?
He fought bums and when he finally stepped up he was taken to school and given ungodly beatings
Fury was a shell of himself in the first fight with the massive lay off and weight loss
You seriously think Wilder was some sort of legend in boxing???
Hes was a manufactured champion and all the hype the media built up around him was for money making reasons nothing else.
People still think Fury beating Wilder was up there with Ali beating Foreman are just imbeciles.
Are you being serious? Are you just straw manning me to mess around? You understand the premise of this thread right, and have read my posts?
Where did I imply he was "some sort of legend"?
The idea of this thread is how boxing fans complain that top tier boxers, "suck". And how they whine about the best fighters in the world. One poster argued that Wilder 'sucked', to which I pointed out at his prime he was better than 99% of the active heavyweights in the world.
Explain to me how that means I was implyig he was a legend?
And yet he defeated title holders and top 20 ranked fighters, knocked down a future HOFer in Fury. There is no way most fighters ever get anywhere near that. had to be something he was doing. At any given time during his peak there were probably a couple thousand professional heavyweight boxers in the world, at most only a handful were better than him. That puts him better than 99%
If he won because his size and reach, then I guess thats a factor that allows someone to win boxing matches, doesnt make him any less because of it. We don't get to say that only fighters who win the ways we like get to be good, as long as he won within the rules then it counts.
And yes he was athletic, he had excellent strength, speed, and body composition, all of which counts towards athleticism.
He fought bums and when he finally stepped up he was taken to school and given ungodly beatings
Fury was a shell of himself in the first fight with the massive lay off and weight loss
You seriously think Wilder was some sort of legend in boxing???
Hes was a manufactured champion and all the hype the media built up around him was for money making reasons nothing else.
People still think Fury beating Wilder was up there with Ali beating Foreman are just imbeciles.
i dont think he will be reading...mind bobbling if he is though
All the pro boxers and the likes of Eddie Hearn read everything on here to check what The Great Nash is saying and responding to. Nash out - His Majesty
Bud has fought spence whos prime was left on the dashboard of his car and Canelo who has been on a major decline and went life and death with John Ryder...not to mention he was schooled by Lara years ago..beaten by GGG twice in most eyes and previously dominated in a much less competitive fashion by Mayweather and Bivol than Bud did..
This is choreographed greatness and the afro americans and casuals are lapping it up putting him above past way more deserving fighters
Good points for sure. Canelo certainly overrated and protected with set ups and hired patsies. Crawford beat a shell of a fraud and has now been installed to goatness. If he ducks Alimkhanuly your analysis is strongly supported. Alimkhanuly is the only real fight out there for Bud right now, everything else is business
Online discourse skews negative for just about everything imo, not just boxing. No idea why. Maybe its just easier to generate conversation by talking shit.
Nash wants you to apologise on here to Wilder, he will be reading, and also put an 18 x 12 inch framed poster of Wilder in your house to show your respects. Nash out - His Majesty
i dont think he will be reading...mind bobbling if he is though
And yet he defeated title holders and top 20 ranked fighters, knocked down a future HOFer in Fury. There is no way most fighters ever get anywhere near that. had to be something he was doing. At any given time during his peak there were probably a couple thousand professional heavyweight boxers in the world, at most only a handful were better than him. That puts him better than 99%
If he won because his size and reach, then I guess thats a factor that allows someone to win boxing matches, doesnt make him any less because of it. We don't get to say that only fighters who win the ways we like get to be good, as long as he won within the rules then it counts.
And yes he was athletic, he had excellent strength, speed, and body composition, all of which counts towards athleticism.
a guy who had never boxed before did that lol and that same guy fought fury closer!
i agree but wilder really did suck
Nash wants you to apologise on here to Wilder, he will be reading, and also put an 18 x 12 inch framed poster of Wilder in your house to show your respects. Nash out - His Majesty
American boxers went soft after Hopkins, Holyfield, Tyson, etc. Mayweather was a fraud pretender who always took the path of least resistance for the easiest money. His business blueprint is now the method all Americans use, except for Bud Crawford. After Bud, American boxing future looks awful because Tank is nothing, Teo is unreliable, Shakur and Haney just don't have it.
Bud has fought spence whos prime was left on the dashboard of his car and Canelo who has been on a major decline and went life and death with John Ryder...not to mention he was schooled by Lara years ago..beaten by GGG twice in most eyes and previously dominated in a much less competitive fashion by Mayweather and Bivol than Bud did..
This is choreographed greatness and the afro americans and casuals are lapping it up putting him above past way more deserving fighters
hmm im not so sure. he was pretty crappy. he was hyped 99 times more than the average boxer too.
he wasnt an athlete though. he had terrible coordination and fell over when he threw punches. he also had terrible and or no defensive instincts/ability. charlie zelenoff was mere millimeters away from landing a haymaker on his chin. wilders size and reach allowed him to punch the mentally disabled man first but it was oh so close to being the funniest thing ever.
And yet he defeated title holders and top 20 ranked fighters, knocked down a future HOFer in Fury. There is no way most fighters ever get anywhere near that. had to be something he was doing. At any given time during his peak there were probably a couple thousand professional heavyweight boxers in the world, at most only a handful were better than him. That puts him better than 99%
If he won because his size and reach, then I guess thats a factor that allows someone to win boxing matches, doesnt make him any less because of it. We don't get to say that only fighters who win the ways we like get to be good, as long as he won within the rules then it counts.
And yes he was athletic, he had excellent strength, speed, and body composition, all of which counts towards athleticism.
Wilder was better than 99% of those who ever stepped into the ring. If he ******, then so did virtually everyone else- and I think thats the point of the thread.
Now, maybe Wilder had mediocre boxing skills compared to other title contenders, but that ignores the whole aspect of boxing being a sport- ergo athleticism matters.
There is a weird thing with a lot ofboxing fans, they hate for fighters to succeed due to athletic ability. If you win because you are faster, or rangier, or stronger, thats a bad thing for a lot of fans. They only want to respect fighters who win due to skill set or determination.
Maybe its an 'Uncle Rico Complex', it helps them see themselves in another more successful man.
hmm im not so sure. he was pretty crappy. he was hyped 99 times more than the average boxer too.
he wasnt an athlete though. he had terrible coordination and fell over when he threw punches. he also had terrible and or no defensive instincts/ability. charlie zelenoff was mere millimeters away from landing a haymaker on his chin. wilders size and reach allowed him to punch the mentally disabled man first but it was oh so close to being the funniest thing ever.
I do not understand that Wilder fighter
he had no rear hook on the inside instead throwing a rear slap that did nothing to the opponent
wait he knocked out malik scott with a devastating hook...lol
i agree but wilder really did suck
Wilder was better than 99% of those who ever stepped into the ring. If he sucked, then so did virtually everyone else- and I think thats the point of the thread.
Now, maybe Wilder had mediocre boxing skills compared to other title contenders, but that ignores the whole aspect of boxing being a sport- ergo athleticism matters.
There is a weird thing with a lot ofboxing fans, they hate for fighters to succeed due to athletic ability. If you win because you are faster, or rangier, or stronger, thats a bad thing for a lot of fans. They only want to respect fighters who win due to skill set or determination.
Maybe its an 'Uncle Rico Complex', it helps them see themselves in another more successful man.
i agree but wilder really did suckI do not understand that Wilder fighter
he had no rear hook on the inside instead throwing a rear slap that did nothing to the opponent