The combination of factors most likely to have boxing institutions calling you "great"

Bumping this thread after reading dan_cov's post about Inoue here. Why fight regularly against the best in your division when you can be a one-fight-a-year "A side" American talking to the adoring media about how great you are wearing designer clothes and shades? The more you talk and dress fancy, the higher up the P4P list you go.

American Keith Thurman gets a shot at TBRB #1 Fundora despite not being even in the top ten himself. He's fought twice in the six years since losing to old man Pacquiao, once at the weight he's now competing in against a journeyman. But hey, he gives a lot of interviews talking about his ambition so let's prioritise him for another big payday.America is still the biggest market American fighter is money

American Keith Thurman gets a shot at TBRB #1 Fundora despite not being even in the top ten himself. He's fought twice in the six years since losing to old man Pacquiao, once at the weight he's now competing in against a journeyman. But hey, he gives a lot of interviews talking about his ambition so let's prioritise him for another big payday.

floyd fought for about 500% to 600% less against guys like ortiz, guerrero, and maidana instead of taking the pac fight. you never see it that way though...and remember these were floyds own demands that he changed. pac was never going to take that low ball offer and you know it. pac was literally more popular than floyd at that point as ive broken down the numbers in another thread in ppv buys and live gates. its pure duckage. also he fought guys for less instead of margarito. also he did the same thing when he ducked winky when winky agreed to all his dumb demands, he just changed the money. i dont see why you cant see he was a fraud? you can be a good fighter and still duck people. case and point floyd. You can’t fight someone that refuses every deal you make him. Of course you don’t look at it like that because Manny was the opponent. He gets offers. He makes them to lesser opponents. If he doesn’t take them you ask why. When you see how he fought during their fight, you realize all he wanted was the check. Cool. Stop blaming Floyd for that level of cowardice.

You are incredibly biased and have no credibility or integrity. If Floyd were from Eastern Europe or a Russian country, you’d have no issue with his resume. I know it bothers you that he worked his way to the top, eventually beating someone you loved. Get over it. i have no issues with his resume. its fine. better than most for sure but i also know he avoided the most dangerous fights during his career so we have to take that into account. i cant give him fantasy wins and domination when he didnt want the smoke as they say. if he had tried to make the fights and guys avoided him like ggg then he would be seen in a different light but i know he ducked. and he didnt work his way to the top as i just pointed out. he fought no one and was given a title shot. just because he won doesnt mean he deserved it. he was a blue chip prospect and you are acting like he was some random guy. crawford was actually kind of a random guy who caught everyones attention by surprise. you are describing crawford not floyd. crawford even had to go to the uk for his first title fight. floyd took advantage of a broken system when he realized he could get away with easy fights and nothing tough would be forced upon him. i just cant respect that. everyone that came before floyd took tough fights because they wanted to or at least they had enough dignity to take them even if they didnt want to. not floyd. he said it himself. we arent fighting to prove who is best. my responsibility as a fan is to reject that kind of thinking

You can’t fight a guy that turns down offers to fight to instead fight for 42% less against a guy he was 2-0-1 against. Stop blaming that level of cowardice on Floyd. floyd fought for about 500% to 600% less against guys like ortiz, guerrero, and maidana instead of taking the pac fight. you never see it that way though...and remember these were floyds own demands that he changed. pac was never going to take that low ball offer and you know it. pac was literally more popular than floyd at that point as ive broken down the numbers in another thread in ppv buys and live gates. its pure duckage. also he fought guys for less instead of margarito. also he did the same thing when he ducked winky when winky agreed to all his dumb demands, he just changed the money. i dont see why you cant see he was a fraud? you can be a good fighter and still duck people. case and point floyd.

Yeah, it is Mayweather blue print. It is easy to be undefeated, if you cherry pick right, fight in home country all the time, once a year, with domestic judges. Tank follows that blue print just perfectly. How is it possible to "cherry pick" ten fighters who were ranked #1 in the division being fought in at the time, another 5 or so in the Top 5 of the division being fought in at the time, 7 Top 10 P4P ranked fighters at the time, all whilst winning world titles in 5 divisions, 4 of which lineal? How can those two things co-exist with each other? Tank does the literal opposite of the above, so how is that the "blue print"?

Because Americans dominate boxing despite being only 4% of the global population:cool: inferior euroid nationalities are welcome to come try to take the throne Brits fumbled hard after bringing back boxing Mexicans work extremely hard but their top guy Julio Cesar is just outside of the top 20 all time Russians and Cubans are upstarts in pro boxing Japan dominates the dwarf divisions where the talent pool isn’t deep

American who gives lots of interviews in designer clothes and shades gets moved up the WBC rankings - twice - without having a single fight in the division: News in Boxing World: Jaron Ennis Returns to #1 Spot. The Next Fight is With Uisma Lima

I'm not sure if that's about being honest or not. Being called the greatest is opinionated and should never be put on yourself by yourself. It's a matter of outside opinion to determine if one is deemed great and all other titles you want to throw at them. Calling yourself the greatest of anything, regardless of your achievements is more of a narcissistic personality. I know some folks with high level of anything in life (IQ, skills, whatever) will typically have the trait of being narcissistic, however there are plenty examples out there as well of those whom are not. I can't take seriously the idea Floyd was an honest person.

floyd says he's the best....then doesnt fight guys for 5 years lol You can’t fight a guy that turns down offers to fight to instead fight for 42% less against a guy he was 2-0-1 against. Stop blaming that level of cowardice on Floyd.

get real floyd wouldnt even fight stevie johnston. arum his own promoter confirmed that. he wanted all slow plodders. floyd wouldnt fight winky either after calling him out and demanding winky do a rehydration clause which winky agreed to, then floyd changed the money oops! seen that same thing from him before. he literally never fought a top 10 fighter until the genaro fight. he was given a title shot because of his hype, not tough resume yet you are making it seem like he was some unknown who worked his way up the ranks until he forced them to give him a title shot what the heck lol You are incredibly biased and have no credibility or integrity. If Floyd were from Eastern Europe or a Russian country, you’d have no issue with his resume. I know it bothers you that he worked his way to the top, eventually beating someone you loved. Get over it.

I'm not sure if that's about being honest or not. Being called the greatest is opinionated and should never be put on yourself by yourself. It's a matter of outside opinion to determine if one is deemed great and all other titles you want to throw at them. Calling yourself the greatest of anything, regardless of your achievements is more of a narcissistic personality. I know some folks with high level of anything in life (IQ, skills, whatever) will typically have the trait of being narcissistic, however there are plenty examples out there as well of those whom are not. But with Floyd he proved it over and over again. He also didn’t start calling himself TBE until late in his career after he had worked his way to the #1 p4p boxer in the sport and the top earner. Not like he called himself this when he was fighting on Tuesday nights on USA Network

This shows you’re not a serious boxing fan that lacks historical knowledge. That or you’re a bitter loser fan of a guy Floyd beat. Mayweather was high risk, low reward until the ODH fight. He had to because he got robbed out of the gold medal at the 96 Olympics. He never got the launch the Gold Medal winners did. He fought tough comp, going from small venues on Tuesday night on USA Network, to an HBO contract, to the cash cow. Along the way he made himself the #1 p4p boxer in the sport. He didn’t earn that through cherry picking. Of course he fought in America during that time. That’s where the money was to be made. Should he have gone to Kazakhstan or somewhere else? Why hate on him for marketing and promoting himself to maximize his earnings? get real floyd wouldnt even fight stevie johnston. arum his own promoter confirmed that. he wanted all slow plodders. floyd wouldnt fight winky either after calling him out and demanding winky do a rehydration clause which winky agreed to, then floyd changed the money oops! seen that same thing from him before. he literally never fought a top 10 fighter until the genaro fight. he was given a title shot because of his hype, not tough resume yet you are making it seem like he was some unknown who worked his way up the ranks until he forced them to give him a title shot what the heck lol

I prefer men be honest like Floyd and Ali and not fake humble. They say they are the best or the greatest then they out and back it up. What’s wrong with that? floyd says he's the best....then doesnt fight guys for 5 years lol

I prefer men be honest like Floyd and Ali and not fake humble. They say they are the best or the greatest then they out and back it up. What’s wrong with that? I'm not sure if that's about being honest or not. Being called the greatest is opinionated and should never be put on yourself by yourself. It's a matter of outside opinion to determine if one is deemed great and all other titles you want to throw at them. Calling yourself the greatest of anything, regardless of your achievements is more of a narcissistic personality. I know some folks with high level of anything in life (IQ, skills, whatever) will typically have the trait of being narcissistic, however there are plenty examples out there as well of those whom are not.

Nelo beating a number of different champs at 168. to become undisputed is more credible than bud beating Nelo alone. Nelo did all donkey work, and bud trained 10 months a year for Nel o fight, to try take the glory. But bud historically does deserve credit for one legit great win now

Floyd was low-risk/high reward. Never beat an elite level fighter at their best. He timed their careers at just the right moment. Only casual apologists think otherwise. Ironically, the fighters who thump their chest and proclaim they are the best ever or greatest of all time typically aren't. It comes from arrogance and a deep-rooted insecurity. Confident men don't need to convince anyone with words, they use action. A good deal of blame can be placed upon commentators who are casuals at best when it comes to boxing. Or extremely biased. They convince other casuals that fighter A, B, or C is great without closely examining their respective careers.

While I know most of this is sarcasm, I think the part about talking about yourself over and over that you are the greatest works on the uneducated. Others such as Pacquiao said it best when asked if they think they're an ATG and whatnot. He always says it's not up to him to decide that but the media and fans. If you ask someone else like a Fraud Jr. he'll say, OF COURSE I'M THE GREATEST AND YOU DKSAB!!! lol I prefer men be honest like Floyd and Ali and not fake humble. They say they are the best or the greatest then they out and back it up. What’s wrong with that?

Yeah, it is Mayweather blue print. It is easy to be undefeated, if you cherry pick right, fight in home country all the time, once a year, with domestic judges. Tank follows that blue print just perfectly. This shows you’re not a serious boxing fan that lacks historical knowledge. That or you’re a bitter loser fan of a guy Floyd beat. Mayweather was high risk, low reward until the ODH fight. He had to because he got robbed out of the gold medal at the 96 Olympics. He never got the launch the Gold Medal winners did. He fought tough comp, going from small venues on Tuesday night on USA Network, to an HBO contract, to the cash cow. Along the way he made himself the #1 p4p boxer in the sport. He didn’t earn that through cherry picking. Of course he fought in America during that time. That’s where the money was to be made. Should he have gone to Kazakhstan or somewhere else? Why hate on him for marketing and promoting himself to maximize his earnings?