Why is Wilder back in hiding?

Wilder got knocked out by a Wladimir jab in sparring and then later ducked a world title offer to face Wladimir. Joshua KOed Wladimir in one of the best hwt title fights ever. The writing on the wall is clear. Wilder was a total fraud pretender with a big mouth and a lousy scriptwriter. You got rope a doped by a fraud.

Two sides to every story. Bannyleonard99 MUST be an alt for Daggum. There just can't be two newbie boxing fans who believe a whopper like that. Same High School? Wilder was far(!) from a perfectly styled fighter with a deep resume; but he was busy knocking out everyone who the WBC could throw at him and stepping in with the linial champion THREE times to unify the 3 kings at the time (Joshua, Fury, Wilder); while Joshua was getting right-sized and kina... blown away, in his Prime; by Massive Underdogs. You kids have to be honest; you were not privy to any negotiations between Wilder and Joshua, and you're pretend guessing about why the fight never came off. But clearly, when factoring chin, power, the awkward ability to connect, and demonstrated mental toughness; you couldn't Engineer a more perfect opponent for Deontay Wilder to look awesome against. No way he'd avoid that money-maker, in spite of all the blogger fables. You might like Joshua better. You might believe that he took on tougher opponents, and I would agree that he did; but that doesn't change a thing. Wilder makes Joshua tentative and nervious, survives him, finds him and sparks him out. Just like Ruiz and Dubois did; neither of whom have anything close to Wilder type one-punch knockout power. 21st Century Heavyweights (So Far): 1. Oleksandr Usyk, UKR 2. Wladimir Klitschko, UKR 3. Lennox Lewis, UK 4. Tyson Fury, UK 5. Deontay Wilder, US 6. Zhilei Zhang, CHI 7. Anthony Joshua, UK 8. Vitali Klitschko, UKR 9. Moses Itauma, UK 10. Joseph Parker, NZ 11. Daniel Dubois, UK 12. Andy Ruiz Jr, US 13. David Tua, AUS 14. Hasim Rahman, US 15. Joe Joyce, UK 16. Agit Kabayel, GER 17. Luis Ortiz, CUB 18. Dillian Whyte, UK 19. Alexander Povetkin, RUS 20. Chris Byrd, US 21. Jarrell Miller, US 22. Mike Tyson, US 23. Ruslan Chagaev, UZB 24. Corrie Sanders, SA 25. David Haye, UK Just missing the cut: Derrick Chisora, UK, Kubrat Pulev, BUL, Fabio Wardley, UK, Martin Bakole, CON, Chris Arreola, US, Oliver McCall, US, Lamon Brewster, US, Filip Hrgovic, CRO, Roy Jones Jr., US, Charles Martin, US, John Ruiz, US. ​ Wilder ducked Joshua plain as day. Ducked the $120m offer from Hearn. Offered the bluff $50m but when asked for the contract, went into hiding. Wilder is nothing was nothing but a fraud propped up by a pair of crooks Haymon and Finkel. His legacy was getting thrashed by 45 year old China Man.

Correction: Wilder ducked Joshua. Two sides to every story. Bannyleonard99 MUST be an alt for Daggum. There just can't be two newbie boxing fans who believe a whopper like that. Same High School? Wilder was far(!) from a perfectly styled fighter with a deep resume; but he was busy knocking out everyone who the WBC could throw at him and stepping in with the linial champion THREE times to unify the 3 kings at the time (Joshua, Fury, Wilder); while Joshua was getting right-sized and kina... blown away, in his Prime; by Massive Underdogs. You kids have to be honest; you were not privy to any negotiations between Wilder and Joshua, and you're pretend guessing about why the fight never came off. But clearly, when factoring chin, power, the awkward ability to connect, and demonstrated mental toughness; you couldn't Engineer a more perfect opponent for Deontay Wilder to look awesome against. No way he'd avoid that money-maker, in spite of all the blogger fables. You might like Joshua better. You might believe that he took on tougher opponents, and I would agree that he did; but that doesn't change a thing. Wilder makes Joshua tentative and nervious, survives him, finds him and sparks him out. Just like Ruiz and Dubois did; neither of whom have anything close to Wilder type one-punch knockout power. 21st Century Heavyweights (So Far): 1. Oleksandr Usyk, UKR 2. Wladimir Klitschko, UKR 3. Lennox Lewis, UK 4. Tyson Fury, UK 5. Deontay Wilder, US 6. Zhilei Zhang, CHI 7. Anthony Joshua, UK 8. Vitali Klitschko, UKR 9. Moses Itauma, UK 10. Joseph Parker, NZ 11. Daniel Dubois, UK 12. Andy Ruiz Jr, US 13. David Tua, AUS 14. Hasim Rahman, US 15. Joe Joyce, UK 16. Agit Kabayel, GER 17. Luis Ortiz, CUB 18. Dillian Whyte, UK 19. Alexander Povetkin, RUS 20. Chris Byrd, US 21. Jarrell Miller, US 22. Mike Tyson, US 23. Ruslan Chagaev, UZB 24. Corrie Sanders, SA 25. David Haye, UK Just missing the cut: Derrick Chisora, UK, Kubrat Pulev, BUL, Fabio Wardley, UK, Martin Bakole, CON, Chris Arreola, US, Oliver McCall, US, Lamon Brewster, US, Filip Hrgovic, CRO, Roy Jones Jr., US, Charles Martin, US, John Ruiz, US. ​

Nonsense. If Haymon and Finkel had any confidence in their big bird legged fraud they would have accepted that $120m Hearn offer and fought Joshua. But instead they ran away and told lies. The truth about Wilder was revealed when he ducked mandatory Whyte for two years and got clobbered by a 45 year old China man. AJ asked for 50m. 50m offered came. He refused = duck. Because he didn't want it to be a US fight. Yet then when to US to 'take over' to fight Ruiz got beat up by the fat boy and never uttered the words US fight ever again. Whyte is a 3 time ped fraud. He was never mandatory 2 years ducked his eliminators.

Wilder and Joshua both overrated and badly washed. Don’t be a fanboy and blow Joshua after he was humiliated by Dubois. Dunk on Wilder all you want - he’s earned it. But don’t get down on all fours to pleasure Eddie and push his laughable narrative

Whyte was no. 1 for Wilder for a while. Haymon tried to protect Wilder by throwing Ortiz at Whyte but Whyte and Hearn wanted Wilder, not a time waster vs the PBC pawn Ortiz. Wilder would have had no chance vs Whyte. Even if Whyte beat Ortiz, Haymon would have rigged Sulaiman to do something to block Whyte again. Breazeale was a joke PBC pawn. As I said, you don't know much about boxing. No. 1 ranked is NOT equal to mandatory, unless you fight and win a final eliminator (fight the next-ranked available guy) ordered by the WBC. Whyte never did that. Whyte avoided eliminators until he could choose someone selected by Eddie Hearn, whom we barely beat, and that too using PEDs, and then lobbied for that fight to be considered a final eliminator. Rivas was not the next best-ranked fight at that time, so essentially, Whyte got that position gifted to him. When Wilder fought Fury 2, Fury was the mandatory, and by the time Whyte became mandatory, Wilder was no longer the champion. So, it is another lie to say Whyte was no. 1 for Wilder "for a while". Funny AJ and Eddie fans had Breazeale as a legitimately ranked fighter, showing the depth of AJ's resume at that time, but he is now a "joke PBC pawn" when he got KO'ed in the first round by Wilder. Why did it take AJ 7 rounds to deal with a joke PBC pawn? Took him another 7 rounds to deal with another joke called Robert Helenius, whom Wilder also KO'ed within a round. And are we going to ignore that Whyte has now been caught 3 times using PEDs?

Dillian was never mandatory for Wilder for 2 years. Tells me how much you know about boxing and how much you rely on Eddie's propaganda. PEDillian Whyte, the serial cheater, pissed dirty again against Rivas (like he had done previously against Balogh and later in life again against Joshua) and was suspended from his interim position until Eddie had UKAD magically withdraw charges. He was then made mandatory to fight the winner of Wilder vs Fury 2, which was Wilder's mandatory fight at that time. Wilder lost that, and Whyte had to fight Fury. Prior to that, Whyte had avoided Ortiz, which would have made him the next mandatory challenger (after Breazeale). Instead, Eddie's chosen Rivas was suddenly elevated from nowhere to the top 10, and then lobbied for Whyte-Rivas to be considered a final eliminator, which it wasn't at the beginning. So, as I mentioned, lots of shady stuff, and promoters being rivals rather than cooperating during that era to make fights. The offer, as I mentioned before, was not from Eddie and not just for an AJ fight based on splits from the highest bidder's platform. It was a rivalry between the then-new entrant DAZN and existing PBC/Showtime in the US, and an attempt to get Wilder away from his existing partners over to DAZN. It is like Netflix or Prime nowadays, offering AJ/Eddie to ditch existing partnerships/contracts with the Saudis and DAZN, and move to their platform for a 3 or 4 fight deal only for AJ. Whyte was no. 1 for Wilder for a while. Haymon tried to protect Wilder by throwing Ortiz at Whyte but Whyte and Hearn wanted Wilder, not a time waster vs the PBC pawn Ortiz. Wilder would have had no chance vs Whyte. Even if Whyte beat Ortiz, Haymon would have rigged Sulaiman to do something to block Whyte again. Breazeale was a joke PBC pawn.

Nonsense. If Haymon and Finkel had any confidence in their big bird legged fraud they would have accepted that $120m Hearn offer and fought Joshua. But instead they ran away and told lies. The truth about Wilder was revealed when he ducked mandatory Whyte for two years and got clobbered by a 45 year old China man. Dillian was never mandatory for Wilder for 2 years. Tells me how much you know about boxing and how much you rely on Eddie's propaganda. PEDillian Whyte, the serial cheater, pissed dirty again against Rivas (like he had done previously against Balogh and later in life again against Joshua) and was suspended from his interim position until Eddie had UKAD magically withdraw charges. He was then made mandatory to fight the winner of Wilder vs Fury 2, which was Wilder's mandatory fight at that time. Wilder lost that, and Whyte had to fight Fury. Prior to that, Whyte had avoided Ortiz, which would have made him the next mandatory challenger (after Breazeale). Instead, Eddie's chosen Rivas was suddenly elevated from nowhere to the top 10, and then lobbied for Whyte-Rivas to be considered a final eliminator, which it wasn't at the beginning. So, as I mentioned, lots of shady stuff, and promoters being rivals rather than cooperating during that era to make fights. The offer, as I mentioned before, was not from Eddie and not just for an AJ fight based on splits from the highest bidder's platform. It was a rivalry between the then-new entrant DAZN and existing PBC/Showtime in the US, and an attempt to get Wilder away from his existing partners over to DAZN. It is like Netflix or Prime nowadays, offering AJ/Eddie to ditch existing partnerships/contracts with the Saudis and DAZN, and move to their platform for a 3 or 4 fight deal only for AJ.

Wilder beat his tomato can this summer and talked big about fighting the best but the reality is the big fraud has gone back into hiding. Not a peep about challenging Joshua - who needs a fight - or any other free name. You would think Wilder would be more pro active trying to make a big fight, not in hiding. Looks like Haymon and Finkel are waiting to cash out the big bum against someone marquee. After his last fight, Wilder said he's fighting 1 or 2 more tune up type fights rather than taking a big fight next. https://youtu.be/_0HTZL2XVO0?si=fzV296APHlhyBe0k 5:30 mark. Facts over narratives

Not sure if you were around at that time but promoters weren't really friendly or making big fights back then. Eddie did accept that the fight money was there against Wilder (its on Youtube but you will have to search it from the hundreds of interviews Eddie gives every year). The offer to Wilder was from DAZN and was to have these fights on DAZN by signing a deal with them. All sorts of contractual obligations/issues are associated with such deals, and it is more than just the boxer accepting the money. Wilder was with AL Haymon and PBC, with deals with Showtime. DAZN was a new platform that nobody knew would survive or not. The dynamics at that time were different from today. No fight was signed with Wilder for the AJ fight. It was a possibility/discussion if Wilder had beaten Parker, which we know never happened, and it was not by Eddie but by the Saudis. That is what I said, that it took the Saudis to negotiate separately with each boxer to make big fights because the promoters were not able to do that before. Yes, Wilder was never a great boxer but was still good enough to have KO'ed Joshua back in 2018-19. Nonsense. If Haymon and Finkel had any confidence in their big bird legged fraud they would have accepted that $120m Hearn offer and fought Joshua. But instead they ran away and told lies. The truth about Wilder was revealed when he ducked mandatory Whyte for two years and got clobbered by a 45 year old China man.

Yes, wait till people are retired or semi-retired to start saying they are ducking. Why did Joshua not fight Wilder or Fury in 2018-2020? Why were Wilder and Fury able to negotiate, but both failed negotiations with AJ and Eddie? Anyway, this is old stuff. Only Saudis are able to make any meaningful fights nowadays. Because Haymon and Finkel believed their puppet fraud could beat Fatso Fury. But they knew Joshua would slaughter Wilder.

So does AJ Wilder Is Dark Skinned. AJ is watered Down Cookies 'N Cream.

Yes, wait till people are retired or semi-retired to start saying they are ducking. Why did Joshua not fight Wilder or Fury in 2018-2020? Why were Wilder and Fury able to negotiate, but both failed negotiations with AJ and Eddie? Fury has spent half his career retired or semi-retired. Bold: Because Wilder and his team thought fat come-backing Fury was easy pickings in 2018 and Fury knew he could outbox Wilder even in that state. If you can't see how Wilder was incredibly well protected, how Fury has always been careful and selective about his opponents when allowed and how Joshua fought everyone put in front of him, win or lose, then I don't know what to tell you.

joshua didnt fight himself? i think you mean wilder and no that doesnt tell us anything. it tells us he didnt fight them but not why. poor argument, especially since i just explained how and why the wilder fight didnt happen so you cant possibly use that as evidence agaisnt joshua. from the info i have seen fury didnt seem keen to take on joshua but i havent delved deep into that so lets put that aside. if you just want to go on resumes...joshuas is 10 times better than wilders which tells us he was more willing to take risks. joshua not fighting wilder is because wilder didnt want to take risks. thats a negative against wilder, not joshua. no he never admitted that. he admitted the email was real. that does not mean the offer was real and we found out it wasnt real when wilder refused to send any contract which confirms he was bluffing. joshua was way more popular than wilder so yeah that makes perfect sense. it wasnt a 50-50 fight. thats called pricing yourself out. aka ducking. you dont see that? its like benavidez saying i want 50-50 vs canelo. oh canelo doesnt agree canelo is ducking? umm no. also wilder had no possible way to make 100 million unless he fought joshua so yeah he made much less. but its not he said she said. no false equivalencies please. wilder admitted the 100 million was real and said he was staying with pbc to be loyal. hearn and joshua admitted the wilder offer wasnt real when wilder didnt send it so yeah its literally the exact opposite. the fight only was signed when wilder was exposed and was ready to cash out, and then he still couldnt get to it being a heavy favorite to beat parker. and my point is he was never very good. yeah im sure he was better but he never really beat anyone besides ortiz who was good but not special as well as 40 and wilder needed a very long break to recover, in fact he looked terrible in most of his fights actually. did you see the long line of bums they set him up with? when he stepped up in competition he was blown away easily. he was the definition of hype. they tried to cherry pick fury when he was at his worst and still should have lost that fight, when fury got his rhythm back he beat wilder easily twice, parker easily beat him, zhang easily. just non competitive bouts, similar to ortiz outboxing wilder cept these guys were better, werent as old, and were in better shape so he had no chance to catch him with his overrated power. good fighters were wilders kryptonite. Not sure if you were around at that time but promoters weren't really friendly or making big fights back then. Eddie did accept that the fight money was there against Wilder (its on Youtube but you will have to search it from the hundreds of interviews Eddie gives every year). The offer to Wilder was from DAZN and was to have these fights on DAZN by signing a deal with them. All sorts of contractual obligations/issues are associated with such deals, and it is more than just the boxer accepting the money. Wilder was with AL Haymon and PBC, with deals with Showtime. DAZN was a new platform that nobody knew would survive or not. The dynamics at that time were different from today. No fight was signed with Wilder for the AJ fight. It was a possibility/discussion if Wilder had beaten Parker, which we know never happened, and it was not by Eddie but by the Saudis. That is what I said, that it took the Saudis to negotiate separately with each boxer to make big fights because the promoters were not able to do that before. Yes, Wilder was never a great boxer but was still good enough to have KO'ed Joshua back in 2018-19.

Fury is still ducking Joshua. You weren't able to realize that? Yes, wait till people are retired or semi-retired to start saying they are ducking. Why did Joshua not fight Wilder or Fury in 2018-2020? Why were Wilder and Fury able to negotiate, but both failed negotiations with AJ and Eddie? Anyway, this is old stuff. Only Saudis are able to make any meaningful fights nowadays.

Wilder Gots That African Power Running Through His Veins. So does AJ

The other day I heard someone say he might be fighting Ngannou next. Can't remember who said it so take it with a pinch of salt, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Joshua fought neither Fury nor Joshua. That should tell you enough. At least Wilder and Fury were able to make a deal. And, no, that 100m was not just to fight AJ but a multi-fight deal which may have led to an AJ fight and involved multiple stuff like broadcasting, sponsorships, etc. Even the DAZN head at that time admitted they messed up with the deal. The offer to AJ was legit, even Eddie confirmed that. Even if Wilder had agreed to a lump sum instead of a split, it would not have happened because AJ lost to Ruiz, because the deal was for Wilder to have 3 fights on DAZN, including a warm-up fight before taking on AJ. Those fights were Wilder vs Breazeale and AJ vs Ruiz. The deal heavily favored Joshua since he would have been paid more, gotten the sponsorships, and a part of the profit (since AJ and Eddie are investors in DAZN). The deal from Wilder's side was simple....have a 50-50 split, but Eddie and AJ refused that. We have gone over these he-said-she-said dozens of times during 2018-2020. No point going over past stuff. What happened, happened, and it's only after the Saudis stepped in that fights got made, but neither AJ nor Wilder were able to retain their titles for us to have seen that fight. And whatever the case was, the point I was making was that Wilder was dangerous then, not now. Irrespective of why that fight did not happen, it doesn't change the reality today. Wilder today is finished as a boxer and is only a fraction of what he used to be, whether or not you believe he ever was any good or dangerous. joshua didnt fight himself? i think you mean wilder and no that doesnt tell us anything. it tells us he didnt fight them but not why. poor argument, especially since i just explained how and why the wilder fight didnt happen so you cant possibly use that as evidence agaisnt joshua. from the info i have seen fury didnt seem keen to take on joshua but i havent delved deep into that so lets put that aside. if you just want to go on resumes...joshuas is 10 times better than wilders which tells us he was more willing to take risks. joshua not fighting wilder is because wilder didnt want to take risks. thats a negative against wilder, not joshua. no he never admitted that. he admitted the email was real. that does not mean the offer was real and we found out it wasnt real when wilder refused to send any contract which confirms he was bluffing. joshua was way more popular than wilder so yeah that makes perfect sense. it wasnt a 50-50 fight. thats called pricing yourself out. aka ducking. you dont see that? its like benavidez saying i want 50-50 vs canelo. oh canelo doesnt agree canelo is ducking? umm no. also wilder had no possible way to make 100 million unless he fought joshua so yeah he made much less. but its not he said she said. no false equivalencies please. wilder admitted the 100 million was real and said he was staying with pbc to be loyal. hearn and joshua admitted the wilder offer wasnt real when wilder didnt send it so yeah its literally the exact opposite. the fight only was signed when wilder was exposed and was ready to cash out, and then he still couldnt get to it being a heavy favorite to beat parker. and my point is he was never very good. yeah im sure he was better but he never really beat anyone besides ortiz who was good but not special as well as 40 and wilder needed a very long break to recover, in fact he looked terrible in most of his fights actually. did you see the long line of bums they set him up with? when he stepped up in competition he was blown away easily. he was the definition of hype. they tried to cherry pick fury when he was at his worst and still should have lost that fight, when fury got his rhythm back he beat wilder easily twice, parker easily beat him, zhang easily. just non competitive bouts, similar to ortiz outboxing wilder cept these guys were better, werent as old, and were in better shape so he had no chance to catch him with his overrated power. good fighters were wilders kryptonite.

So AJ can can call him out, instead of hiding in London like a Fraud Squad coward Joshua learned many years ago Wilder Haymon and FInkel don't want the fight. They turned down $120m offer from Hearn. Wilder is nothing but a fraud.

So Wilder can can call him out, instead of hiding in Alabama like a Fraud Squad coward. So AJ can can call him out, instead of hiding in London like a Fraud Squad coward