I wonder how good Itauma really is

Hopefully its competitive or we get some answers but I just see Whyte being canon fodder. That's absolutely why he's there. They believe he's cannon fodder and can add a fairly credible name to Moses' CV. But matchmakers do make mistakes. My money is absolutely in the same place as yours but I've got a nagging doubt with Moses being so inexperienced and completely untested.

With the exception of Fury, Whyte has made every opponent go through fire. I think he's still capable of being what he always was. Tough as nails and prepared to go to war. It's hard to imagine that Itauma doesn't beat him to every punch but Dillian is experienced enough to find ways to drag an inexperienced guy into a fight. Moses will have to stay smart. I think it's a great match up. It's a decent test for Itauma. By the way, judging by interviews with Whyte, he looks fitter than he has done for a long time. I definitely see the points and argument for it could be a test but I see too often us making this argument for old, faded fighters turning the clock back and it rarely ever happens. The southpaw stance, speed, precision, power especially early will be too much. I don't think Whyte has the chin, defence or savviness to survive or get into those later rounds. The last time Whyte looked good was nearly 5yrs back in the Povetkin rematch where to me it was mystifying how Povetkin even passed a medical, he looked like an old man who could barely walk to the ring unaided. I love he's in shape though, dare I say it might be the best shape I've maybe ever seen him in? Hopefully its competitive or we get some answers but I just see Whyte being canon fodder.

I think its important we stay grounded and don't get carried away, like you said David Price was super hyped before that it was Audley Harrison who for all the shlt we give them was destroying fighters that was levels above what Itauma has faced so far. We also had the likes of Jared Anderson who was being touted as the next big thing. I get the excitement but there are way too many question marks. Has anyone even really attempted to even hit him? He's as untested as it gets. Dillian Whyte was probably top 5-10 at one point, despite this I've never rated the guy. He has long arms, a bit of a left hook on him. He's been brutally KTFO 3 times with the same shot and that was years back he is now 37 and been inactive, looked terrible in his last few fights. Not sure he has ever faced a southpaw either, I'd be surprised if we learned anything new here. With the exception of Fury, Whyte has made every opponent go through fire. I think he's still capable of being what he always was. Tough as nails and prepared to go to war. It's hard to imagine that Itauma doesn't beat him to every punch but Dillian is experienced enough to find ways to drag an inexperienced guy into a fight. Moses will have to stay smart. I think it's a great match up. It's a decent test for Itauma. By the way, judging by interviews with Whyte, he looks fitter than he has done for a long time.

I think its important we stay grounded and don't get carried away, like you said David Price was super hyped before that it was Audley Harrison who for all the shlt we give them was destroying fighters that was levels above what Itauma has faced so far. We also had the likes of Jared Anderson who was being touted as the next big thing. I get the excitement but there are way too many question marks. Has anyone even really attempted to even hit him? He's as untested as it gets. Dillian Whyte was probably top 5-10 at one point, despite this I've never rated the guy. He has long arms, a bit of a left hook on him. He's been brutally KTFO 3 times with the same shot and that was years back he is now 37 and been inactive, looked terrible in his last few fights. Not sure he has ever faced a southpaw either, I'd be surprised if we learned anything new here.

Yes, we wonder how good everyone is. We wonder how good usyk is in comparison to Ali?

If Itauma gets past Whyte and I'm his manager, I keep setting him up with cans for the next 2+ years with at least 3 fights a year before I seriously consider giving him a top 10 guy. He's 20 years old and has all the time in the world to develop, get his confidence and experience up by carefully managing his opponents until he gets up to the 20 fight range, then start prepping him for the big time. Unfortunately that probably won't happen as everyone from the manager to Itauma himself are looking to cash in as fast as possible on a big title fight. He'll probably will be fighting a big name by next year and probably will lose. Truth is, Itauma is as green as they come, The man has never went past 6 rounds in his career, he's only had 12 fights and they're all against cans. Many can pass the eye test when you're fighting severely inferior competition. Too much hype is being thrown around this kid due to a lack of future upcoming fighters. I dont think he's ready, and I wouldn't rush him one bit not until he had somewhere in the area of 10 more fights and some of those went 10 rounds or more. I feel the same. Even if he can beat this shot version of Whyte, he will still need rouns against guys like Franklin, Wallin..to get ready. Not total bums, but guys that can give him rounds. He should be ready for top guys in 3 years

If Itauma gets past Whyte and I'm his manager, I keep setting him up with cans for the next 2+ years with at least 3 fights a year before I seriously consider giving him a top 10 guy. He's 20 years old and has all the time in the world to develop, get his confidence and experience up by carefully managing his opponents until he gets up to the 20 fight range, then start prepping him for the big time. Unfortunately that probably won't happen as everyone from the manager to Itauma himself are looking to cash in as fast as possible on a big title fight. He'll probably will be fighting a big name by next year and probably will lose. Truth is, Itauma is as green as they come, The man has never went past 6 rounds in his career, he's only had 12 fights and they're all against cans. Many can pass the eye test when you're fighting severely inferior competition. Too much hype is being thrown around this kid due to a lack of future upcoming fighters. I dont think he's ready, and I wouldn't rush him one bit not until he had somewhere in the area of 10 more fights and some of those went 10 rounds or more.

I think he has the makings of a good heavyweight. I won't say great yet because all it takes is 1 clean shot that he eats and flattens him. He hasn't passed the chin test yet. Southpaw will definitely give him an edge and you add speed and power to it and that will make it very difficult for anyone facing him. I think I mentioned this in another thread but I'd like to see him face Torres. I think it would be an exciting fight of some young heavyweight prospects but I'm sure neither promoter would want to lose their man so early just yet.

This is actually an EXCELLENT test for Itauma at this stage of his career. Whyte may be 37yo but he has plenty of experience against top opposition like Fury & Joshua and holds wins over several former champions/top contenders e.g. Parker, Povetkin & Chisora. Hopefully Itauma gets his chin checked as it remains to be seen whether he can actually take a punch. Other than that, the kid looks like a superstar in the making.

Frank Warren is good at hyping his fighters, and Turki is also fond of Itauma as a future star for the Riyadh Season. Beyond that, I agree that Moses is totally untested against any live opponent. I also do not consider him beating Whyte a done deal, irrespective of how rusty or old Whyte may be. It is still a dangerous fight for Moses Itauma.

He’s looks very good. He’s fighting guys who aren’t great but you can still tell he has something. AJ, DDD and Price still looked like stiff bums in their early fights even if they were winning by KO. There are loads of questions though I agree. Can he take a punch because his brother certainly couldn’t. What’s his gas tank like etc The chin is what I'm most curious about. He sparked out Wach, McKean and Balogun but none of them have the best reflexes or offensive prowess. Itauma looks to have great timing, reflexes and power with some solid skills. Guys with developed offensive arsenals (and Itauma has that arsenal) always look scintillating mowing down inferior opposition. I'm curious what happens when he fights someone who can deliver their own bombs to his chin.

He passes the eye test but still has to prove it against top competition. Sort of like Boots Ennis. Boots was a legit titlist at 147, unified, he beat top 5 guy in Stanionis.

Yeah i didnt think it would have been Thompson who looked like he was underwater when throwing punches but i personally seen his defensive flaws in his attacks but he did look good You saw what essentially none of us did. Crazy how clear things are in hindsight. Hindsight is 20-20 Looking back, the flaws are so clear. Don’t know how I didn’t see them at the time. His style and engine works well in amateurs, not pro.

I thought David Price would dominate the era aswell. I think most people did. Crazy when you think about it. When Thompson sparked him in 1 round it was genuinely shocking, to me at least. Yeah i didnt think it would have been Thompson who looked like he was underwater when throwing punches but i personally seen his defensive flaws in his attacks but he did look good

Anthony Joshua beat a peak version of Dillian Whyte by knockout, and in reality? Although Whyte did put up a good effort, Joshua was winning most of all the rounds before knocking Whyte out. Do you think that was an impressive performance? Joshua was a domestic level fighter back then. Or was it only a good performance beating Dillian Whyte for Tyson Fury and Moses Ituama?' Whyte was miles outside of his peak, and faded badly as a fighter 'Even when he fought Tyson Fury'. Note: Moses Ituama is supposed to beat up and blast out Dillian Whyte 'Surely you must understand that? Hardcore boxing fans should really understand how the promotion game works. Match making is not there to dupe hardcore boxing fans, it is there to mainly create narratives in the minds of a more surface level sports fan'. Surface level i.e. casual boxing fans, will know all about Dillian Whyte 'He beat Chisora, was smashed up by Fury and produced good effort vs Anthony Joshua'. If so many people believe Moses Ituama is a future dominant heavyweight Champion 'Why is beating Dillian Whyte an impressive performance, at this stage of his career?' A few months ago, masses of people were all complaining with the prospect of Whyte vs Joshua III. No, I won't be that impressed if Moses Ituama beats Dillian Whyte in impressive fashion 'Because Whyte is there for the taking. Even if Whyte somehow wins this fight, I would not be surprised in the slightest if he is annihilated by Anthony Joshua in a trilogy fight'. There are no sparring stories being spread on a street level about Moses Ituama 'I honestly don't think he has dominated any of the top British heavyweights in training. If he did? We would all in varying details, know about those sparring sessions'. As Darren Till a mixed martial arts fighters stated in his own words 'In this boxing world people talk, it is a close community'. Like I stated in my previous post 'Moses Ituama appears to have those Rid**** Bowe type genetics. I think his team may have to capitalize on his ability as soon as possible. I would imagine that he is training with a high level of work ethic, but even still? I don't think Ituama is in great condition'. I don't think he is the innate athletic ability of Anthony Joshua or the innate fighting ability of Tyson Fury 'He seems somewhere in between those two fighters'. To conclude: Boxing as a sport wants superstars 'Certain folk in the game think Moses Ituama could be one of the next big boxing stars in British boxing. That is why there is a mass co-ordinated narrative being pushed in the media about him'. Some people will be highly influenced by this 'I am not; I will wait until Moses Ituama really starts beating top level fighters' etc. I never said id be impressed if he beat whyte i asked if you would and on your last sentence you're basically saying you dont personally have eyes for boxing and you wont listen to the people who hype him If you are so educated in boxing surely you wont just sit on the fence.. You spouted a whole lot of nothing with zero opinion its more a book about how people shouldnt listen to hype and they cant make a guess if hes going to be this or that in the future Part of the fun in boxing is predicting whos going to be what and you just sit on the fence so you can never be wrong and use your incredible hindsight in discussions

That doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean that much but when the difference in results is that drastic, it means something.

Eye test doesn't always stand up. Even hand speed can be deceptive when guys are fighting at a lower level. He's definitely got something, but you never really know until the level gets stepped up. Personally I think Whyte is a really good yardstick for where he's at. And from an interview I saw recently, Whyte has put some work in for this. He looks pretty trim.

For what it's worth, Moses iced McKean in 1 rd who almost went 12 with Hrgovic. That doesn't mean anything.

People are extremely critical towards Dubois, Parker, Kabayel, Hrgovic, Bakole, Zhang, but these guys are all tested. Itauma is completelly untested. For what it's worth, Moses iced McKean in 1 rd who almost went 12 with Hrgovic.

Have you seen interviews where Ituama has been asked about Fabio Wardly?? he is respectful but you can see it in his face hes probably already dominated Wardly in sparring. How do you know its not Moses thats being told not to spar at 100 percent because hes dominating. I dont know the ins and outs but i do know when he was asked about Wardly i could tell he felt he had his number If he dominates Whyte will you be impressed with that?? Who do you think he should fight after Whyte to impress you? I remember watching Price el Sparko'ing bums and my old man claiming he was the next best thing since Mike Tyson but i seen the defensive flaws in his attacks and a couple of fights after he was chinned big time But I'll admit where i am wrong because i thought Fury was worse and he really shocked me he got substantially better round about the time he fought the cab driver called Martin Rogan I thought David Price would dominate the era aswell. I think most people did. Crazy when you think about it. When Thompson sparked him in 1 round it was genuinely shocking, to me at least.