Well, we must be prepared for all outcomes.
If Dubois gets the work done on the 19th of July; which is possible; we won't be facing an older champion about to retire, and we won't have to wait through a long, drawn out process of reunification and liniage repair. We won't have to suffer through an elongated Round Robin featuring unnecessary rematches and voluntary defenses, that is designed to make money for a large number of unscrupulous people at the expense of the sport, the fans and the most important historical trail in all global entertainment industries.
Instead, we'd have a fresh face, a young champion holding the liniage, as well as all of the silly belts, and we could start fresh.
As a bonus, we won't have to listen to any more jibber- jabber about Usyk being in the same class as Dempsey, Louis and Ali. That would be dashed even if Dubois lifted the title on a split decision, as Oleksandr's greatest accomplishmentis that Zero he owns.
And what would Dubois do next to usher in the new era, post Fury, Wilder, Usyk, Joshua, Ortiz, Whyte, etc.???
○ A rematch with Usyk seems the place to start.
○ Maybe a Fury fight, which would do well at the gate.
○ Joseph Parker has really earned his shot.
○ Agit Kabayel has really earned his shot.
What else?
A Tyson Fury trilogy (if Dubois wins one of the first two) All roads lead to Tyson Fury, the money man. If, and it's a big if, Dubois won the first two, then of course, the trilogy still happens as Fury is the trilogy King (Chisora, Wilder, soon to be Usyk, and Dubois) but Dubois would have to wait until Fury gets his official win over Usyk before the trilogy can start, and Usyk can fight Wilder, the missing name from his resume, maybe that could be a trilogy too. Let's get it on. Nash out - His Majesty
I can agree with most of that, except Usyk vs Wilder. Even though they're close in age, Deontay is done. He got a TKO vs Herndon, a guy he would have knocked out cold in his prime. Adding his name to Usk's resume at this point does nothing for him.
ward hit him on the ball line
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Yes, Ward's shot was clearly low. Dubois's was not.
A Tyson Fury trilogy (if Dubois wins one of the first two) All roads lead to Tyson Fury, the money man. If, and it's a big if, Dubois won the first two, then of course, the trilogy still happens as Fury is the trilogy King (Chisora, Wilder, soon to be Usyk, and Dubois) but Dubois would have to wait until Fury gets his official win over Usyk before the trilogy can start, and Usyk can fight Wilder, the missing name from his resume, maybe that could be a trilogy too. Let's get it on. Nash out - His Majesty
People cannot keep making excuses for Tyson Fury 'He trained harder than ever for both fights against Oleksandr Uysk I & II. He was just beaten by a more dedicated fighter and better overall athlete in Uysk'.
I stated in the lead up to the Fury vs Uysk I fight 'That fitness accumulates. It will be extremely difficult for a fighter, to just rewind all of those weeks, months and years when they were not dedicating to the sport at the level of Anthony Joshua or Oleksandr Uysk'.
Do you guys think Tyson Fury is in better condition right now than Anthony Joshua? I don't. And it is not even close. Anthony Joshua may have been beaten in dramatic fashion by Daniel Dubois, but this was mainly caused by his own tactics used in the fight. Anthony Joshua for whatever reason vs Daniel Dubois, very early in the fight even while concussed threw caution to the wind'.
Tyson Fury in comparison, was weighing 50+ pounds heavier than Oleksandr Uysk II in their rematch 'He was still incapable for the first time ever in his career, of throwing caution to the wind and putting pressure on Uysk. Even though it was needed for the win'.
I disagree? I don't think Daniel Dubois is getting that much better as a fighter 'Anomalistic events in boxing reality, just so happened to occur for him to become the IBF World Champion. And Daniel Dubois to his credit has had the awareness to take his opportunities. Well done'.
Note: But there are details in the action of fights 'A win and a lost, can be broken down into minute details. And I keep saying it? Anthony Joshua at his absolute worst technically, got up from a knockout blow and fought his way back into the fight vs Daniel Dubois. That is what all the statistics of the fight action show, as the rounds were progressing gradually Dubois was getting overhauled. This is a absolute fact'.
If I produced a graph to display the data and statistics from Joshua vs Dubois 'The graph would display, Daniel Dubois peaking in round one. But then after this point, his line was gradually on the descent. While in comparison Anthony Joshua's was beginning to climb. Daniel Dubois may have been hurting Joshua after round one, but Joshua was enduring the bombardment and staying in the fight. In round 5 Anthony Joshua went from on average landing 40% of his punches, to 80%. Not only was his line on the ascent, he was now hitting and shaking Daniel Dubois with his power. But for whatever reason, Ben Davidson gave the instruction for Anthony Joshua to throw caution to the wind. Which lead to Joshua wading into Dubois while throwing a uppercut with his guard down, Daniel Dubois to his credit took his opportunity and unleashed a power punch. In my opinion, if Joshua did not produce that uncharacteristic unforced error. I think that Anthony Joshua would have systematically beat down Daniel Dubois over the distance'.
SUBZER0ED, seriously? If you think Daniel Dubois's win over Anthony Joshua was a Wipeout 'Or a super dominant win. You are getting carried away, by the highlights of the fight. Daniel Dubois after the fight suffered more structural damage than Joshua, his face was smashed up'.
To conclude: That is why even though I acknowledge 'Daniel Dubois's win vs Anthony Joshua was great. I still believe he is a front runner at top level'.
Don Charles knows the truth 'He knows Daniel Dubois is a front runner. Most if the best most astute boxing analyst in the sport, also know Daniel Dubois is a front runner as a fighter'.
I am not saying that Daniel Dubois is not a solid fighter with ability 'But he has not proven to me, that at top level in the game. He is not a front runner. Because even on his best night, against a opponent in Anthony Joshua at his absolute worst technically. Even in that style of fight, Daniel Dubois's traits of being a front runner were surfacing in that fight even before the middle rounds'.
Daniel Dubois is ether going to win in spectacular a fashion or lose in spectacular fashion; he has already shown us this in his career. It is almost inevitable; it is just a matter of when and against which top level fighter etc.
:lol1: You need to learn how to condense your responses, bro. My statement that Fury's lifestyle is his main caveat is not an excuse, it's a fact. And Dubois knocking down Joshua four times, with Anthony damn near landing on his face and being counted out in the 5th round? Yeah, that's a wipeout. Joshua was dominated from the start of that fight and had some success with trying to fight fire with fire, but he was doing that out of desperation. The fact is, he was too hurt to be sharp in his offense or defense by the 5th round. This rematch with Usyk will show us what Daniel Dubois is truly made of, one way or the other.
Fury is his own worst enemy. His lifestyle is unsuitable for a top-level fighter, and I believe he spent 80% of his preparation time for the Usyk rematch just to get into shape. As for Joshua, in all of his defeats, we've never seen him so thoroughly wiped out as he was by Dubois. Usyk is getting older and DDD is getting better.
People cannot keep making excuses for Tyson Fury 'He trained harder than ever for both fights against Oleksandr Uysk I & II. He was just beaten by a more dedicated fighter and better overall athlete in Uysk'.
I stated in the lead up to the Fury vs Uysk I fight 'That fitness accumulates. It will be extremely difficult for a fighter, to just rewind all of those weeks, months and years when they were not dedicating to the sport at the level of Anthony Joshua or Oleksandr Uysk'.
Do you guys think Tyson Fury is in better condition right now than Anthony Joshua? I don't. And it is not even close. Anthony Joshua may have been beaten in dramatic fashion by Daniel Dubois, but this was mainly caused by his own tactics used in the fight. Anthony Joshua for whatever reason vs Daniel Dubois, very early in the fight even while concussed threw caution to the wind'.
Tyson Fury in comparison, was weighing 50+ pounds heavier than Oleksandr Uysk II in their rematch 'He was still incapable for the first time ever in his career, of throwing caution to the wind and putting pressure on Uysk. Even though it was needed for the win'.
I disagree? I don't think Daniel Dubois is getting that much better as a fighter 'Anomalistic events in boxing reality, just so happened to occur for him to become the IBF World Champion. And Daniel Dubois to his credit has had the awareness to take his opportunities. Well done'.
Note: But there are details in the action of fights 'A win and a lost, can be broken down into minute details. And I keep saying it? Anthony Joshua at his absolute worst technically, got up from a knockout blow and fought his way back into the fight vs Daniel Dubois. That is what all the statistics of the fight action show, as the rounds were progressing gradually Dubois was getting overhauled. This is a absolute fact'.
If I produced a graph to display the data and statistics from Joshua vs Dubois 'The graph would display, Daniel Dubois peaking in round one. But then after this point, his line was gradually on the descent. While in comparison Anthony Joshua's was beginning to climb. Daniel Dubois may have been hurting Joshua after round one, but Joshua was enduring the bombardment and staying in the fight. In round 5 Anthony Joshua went from on average landing 40% of his punches, to 80%. Not only was his line on the ascent, he was now hitting and shaking Daniel Dubois with his power. But for whatever reason, Ben Davidson gave the instruction for Anthony Joshua to throw caution to the wind. Which lead to Joshua wading into Dubois while throwing a uppercut with his guard down, Daniel Dubois to his credit took his opportunity and unleashed a power punch. In my opinion, if Joshua did not produce that uncharacteristic unforced error. I think that Anthony Joshua would have systematically beat down Daniel Dubois over the distance'.
SUBZER0ED, seriously? If you think Daniel Dubois's win over Anthony Joshua was a Wipeout 'Or a super dominant win. You are getting carried away, by the highlights of the fight. Daniel Dubois after the fight suffered more structural damage than Joshua, his face was smashed up'.
To conclude: That is why even though I acknowledge 'Daniel Dubois's win vs Anthony Joshua was great. I still believe he is a front runner at top level'.
Don Charles knows the truth 'He knows Daniel Dubois is a front runner. Most if the best most astute boxing analyst in the sport, also know Daniel Dubois is a front runner as a fighter'.
I am not saying that Daniel Dubois is not a solid fighter with ability 'But he has not proven to me, that at top level in the game. He is not a front runner. Because even on his best night, against a opponent in Anthony Joshua at his absolute worst technically. Even in that style of fight, Daniel Dubois's traits of being a front runner were surfacing in that fight even before the middle rounds'.
Daniel Dubois is ether going to win in spectacular a fashion or lose in spectacular fashion; he has already shown us this in his career. It is almost inevitable; it is just a matter of when and against which top level fighter etc.
ward hit him on the ball line
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Now we know where ddd learnt his body work
So, you do believe Ward's "body" shots vs Kovalev were legit? Let's hear it. Belt-line shots have been called legit forever. Look up the rule, pal. The hipline is the cutoff, which sits just below the navel, and where the belt usually rests. Usyk's a liar to state that his balls are way up there.]
ward hit him on the ball line
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Before Usyk folded the current crop of HW's like garden furniture there were all kinds of claims being made that this era was the best era in heavy weight boxing due to the size and technological advancements.
Still rings true.
Usyk treats Ali, Frazier and Co like he did Murat Gassiev.
I.e easier than AJ and Fury
If it happened, and Usyk will look old one day, then I assume a rematch unless Usyk retires.
My money would be on Joshua for his next fight. I'm still surprised Joshua let that one go and suspect there's a lingering deal somewhere.
Many of the names mentioned could be considered legitimate names if it where that those guys would find the courage to finally start to fight eachother as contenders instead of wasting their careers hoping to land a pay day. How can they believe to beat Usyk if they can’t even fancy themselves reaching the challenger level unscathed ? HW is looking more and more like the WW division with the inactivity and the recent Dubois Parker disengagement (read duck).
Ive been liking what I'm seeing in Kabayel.
I like that Kabayel has been able to exploit those who have weak abs, but those types of shots can be countered rather easily. A savvy fighter with a strong set of abdominal muscles will be able to withstand a body attack long enough to throw a counter uppercut or left hook, especially if that's all that's coming. Agit had better bring more than body shots to the ring, as he moves up to challenge for a title.
Anything below the belly button is low. Usyk's trunks were right at the belly button, as you can see from numerous angles in every round of the fight including the low blow round.
It was a low blow. Either you acknowledge that or you admit you don't understand the rules of boxing.
So, you do believe Ward's "body" shots vs Kovalev were legit? Let's hear it. Belt-line shots have been called legit forever. Look up the rule, pal. The hipline is the cutoff, which sits just below the navel, and where the belt usually rests. Usyk's a liar to state that his balls are way up there.
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:lol1: You're probably one of those people who thought the low blows landed by Ward vs Kovalev were clean, while saying Dubois's belt shot was low.
Anything below the belly button is low. Usyk's trunks were right at the belly button, as you can see from numerous angles in every round of the fight including the low blow round.
It was a low blow. Either you acknowledge that or you admit you don't understand the rules of boxing.
The only people who think it was a clean body shot are Dubois fanboys and people who don't understand the rules of boxing. Period.
:lol1: You're probably one of those people who thought the low blows landed by Ward vs Kovalev were clean, while saying Dubois's belt shot was low.
Before Usyk folded the current crop of HW's like garden furniture there were all kinds of claims being made that this era was the best era in heavy weight boxing due to the size and technological advancements.
I remember people from shouting from the rooftops this was the best era in heavy weight boxing due to size and technological advancements. Long before Usyk folded them all like garden furniture.