Could Usyk have beaten Prime Nandrolone Fury from 10 years ago?

It's never over until it's over. In the somewhat unlikely event that Dubois achieves a win over Usyk on July 19, and the fan's finicky narrative regarding the Ukrainian instantly becomes about "a 23-1 (14) brief term champ who's wins at heavyweight were achieved strictly against badly faded former stars"; the final rankings of the 2015 - 2025 era will be shaken up, and will settle right around this: 1. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24) 2. Deontay Wilder, USA 44-4-1 (43) 3. Daniel Dubois, England 22-2-0 (21) 4. Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 23-1-0 (14) 5. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (24) 6. Joseph Parker, New Zealand 36-3-0 (24) 7. Zhilei Zhang, China 27-3-1 (22) 8. Agit Kabayel, Turkey 26-0-0 (18) 9. Andy Ruiz Jr., USA 35-2-1 (22) 10.Luis Ortiz, Cuba 34-3-0 (29) 11.Dillian Whyte, England 31-3-0 (21) 12.Joe Joyce, England 16-3-0 (15) 13. Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine 64-5-0 (53) 14.Jarrell Miller, USA 26-1-2 (22) 15.Derrick Chisora, England 36-13-0(23) The list may or may not align to posting fans and their emotions; but it IS how the era's history is going to be recorded for future generations.​ - - Blubber Snickers Lineal ducking gasssses almost ready to float away into the stratosphere...adios forever...

It's never over until it's over. In the somewhat unlikely event that Dubois achieves a win over Usyk on July 19, and the fan's finicky narrative regarding the Ukrainian instantly becomes about "a 23-1 (14) brief term champ who's wins at heavyweight were achieved strictly against badly faded former stars"; the final rankings of the 2015 - 2025 era will be shaken up, and will settle right around this: 1. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24) 2. Deontay Wilder, USA 44-4-1 (43) 3. Daniel Dubois, England 22-2-0 (21) 4. Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 23-1-0 (14) 5. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (24) 6. Joseph Parker, New Zealand 36-3-0 (24) 7. Zhilei Zhang, China 27-3-1 (22) 8. Agit Kabayel, Turkey 26-0-0 (18) 9. Andy Ruiz Jr., USA 35-2-1 (22) 10.Luis Ortiz, Cuba 34-3-0 (29) 11.Dillian Whyte, England 31-3-0 (21) 12.Joe Joyce, England 16-3-0 (15) 13. Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine 64-5-0 (53) 14.Jarrell Miller, USA 26-1-2 (22) 15.Derrick Chisora, England 36-13-0(23) The list may or may not align to posting fans and their emotions; but it IS how the era's history is going to be recorded for future generations.​

He barely beat the Fury that almost lost to Francis Ngannou, who'd never had a boxing match before & got blasted out by Joshua. Fury from 5 years ago versus Wilder beats Usyk in a UD "So you could probably let Usyk punch you all about the head and he'll give you a black eye. If you let Ngannou punch you all about the head, he's probably going to rattle your brain for you."​ fury quote, he was afraid of ngannou and just tried to jab him to the win but yeah fury probably was better years ago possibly alrite

He barely beat the Fury that almost lost to Francis Ngannou, who'd never had a boxing match before & got blasted out by Joshua. Fury from 5 years ago versus Wilder beats Usyk in a UD

So here's a boatload of unsolicited options. The body of work at heavyweight for Usyk was highly successful. Few of the "boxing experts" here would disagree and indeed, it's an understatement. But to be unemotional when taking the deeper dive, the truth becomes apparent that Usyk's entire heavyweight career consists of exactly seven fights; six in which he is seen struggling. In Derrick Chisora he was faced with an aging (though viable) perennial contender who had dropped a quarter of his pervious fights; and that was a clearly won, but a 2 point decision for the Cruiserweight champion. The two decisions over Joshua were likewise clear victories, but were gained over a fellow who was taken out cleanly and quickly by two of the four best opponents he has ever faced, and was done so while still in his prime, and nearly taken out by a 3rd of the four. While great credit is due for Usyk in this nonetheless; Joshua will be remembered as a very good heavyweight who held a variety of false belts, drew large crowds, received no shots at the world championship, and fell quite short of the sky-high expectations once placed upon him. The two decisions over champion Tyson Fury were even closer, though good decisions and far more important historically, as the world's championship was being contested. But, although most fans are better attuned to their personal perceptions than to facts, the truth is that Fury and his co-author Deontay Wilder traded a career's worth of hard, concussive knockdowns; which effectively ruined them both. It would be a rookie fan's mistake to beleive that either man emerged from their trilogy in the same condition they went into it in. If I were to guess that the Fury who Wilder engaged was twice the man that Usyk lifted the title from, I'd probably be correct. At least, I'd be employing centuries of boxing standard. Usyk's odd battle with Dubois is polarizing. Some witnessed Usyk felled by a borderline shot and passively surrender his crown. Others saw Usyk come back from a foul blow and win conclusively. Either way, there is unfinished business to settle there; and we have our attentions fixed on the date. Now keep in mind that you can do a 'glass half empty' analysis of any fighter, ever; but the takeaway from this one is that there are significant conditions to assigning a cloak of invincibility to Usyk in the Heavyweight Division. The Pre Wilder Tyson Fury gets the job done, absolutely by stoppage, against any version of Usyk. In addition, he stops Anthony Joshua, the divisional outlier who never engaged his fellow title holders to contest for supremacy, as well. And since I'm on a roll; pre-Wilder Fury would have very little trouble defeating any version of either Klitschko brother; the wooden one who's a bit tougher, or the vastly more accomplished one who's somewhat fragile. - - AJ unified the Belts that Blubber shyte on and gave the great champ Wlad a shot at them, the same great champ that Blubber ducked so he could go on his 3 year heavily recorded Bender of Pies, Drink, and Drugs. Then he fled the UK so his miserably attended boxing shows that couldn't draw flies so he could fight the most miserable Heavy Belt holder in the world, Deyonce. Moreover, AJ never got beat up by Usyk like Blubber did. I could go on, but clearly Blubber's Blubber turned rancid a long time ago...RIP...We the People say Good Riddance to Rancid Rubbish...yeah!!!

So here's a boatload of unsolicited options. The body of work at heavyweight for Usyk was highly successful. Few of the "boxing experts" here would disagree and indeed, it's an understatement. But to be unemotional when taking the deeper dive, the truth becomes apparent that Usyk's entire heavyweight career consists of exactly seven fights; six in which he is seen struggling. In Derrick Chisora he was faced with an aging (though viable) perennial contender who had dropped a quarter of his pervious fights; and that was a clearly won, but a 2 point decision for the Cruiserweight champion. The two decisions over Joshua were likewise clear victories, but were gained over a fellow who was taken out cleanly and quickly by two of the four best opponents he has ever faced, and was done so while still in his prime, and nearly taken out by a 3rd of the four. While great credit is due for Usyk in this nonetheless; Joshua will be remembered as a very good heavyweight who held a variety of false belts, drew large crowds, received no shots at the world championship, and fell quite short of the sky-high expectations once placed upon him. The two decisions over champion Tyson Fury were even closer, though good decisions and far more important historically, as the world's championship was being contested. But, although most fans are better attuned to their personal perceptions than to facts, the truth is that Fury and his co-author Deontay Wilder traded a career's worth of hard, concussive knockdowns; which effectively ruined them both. It would be a rookie fan's mistake to beleive that either man emerged from their trilogy in the same condition they went into it in. If I were to guess that the Fury who Wilder engaged was twice the man that Usyk lifted the title from, I'd probably be correct. At least, I'd be employing centuries of boxing standard. Usyk's odd battle with Dubois is polarizing. Some witnessed Usyk felled by a borderline shot and passively surrender his crown. Others saw Usyk come back from a foul blow and win conclusively. Either way, there is unfinished business to settle there; and we have our attentions fixed on the date. Now keep in mind that you can do a 'glass half empty' analysis of any fighter, ever; but the takeaway from this one is that there are significant conditions to assigning a cloak of invincibility to Usyk in the Heavyweight Division. The Pre Wilder Tyson Fury gets the job done, absolutely by stoppage, against any version of Usyk. In addition, he stops Anthony Joshua, the divisional outlier who never engaged his fellow title holders to contest for supremacy, as well. And since I'm on a roll; pre-Wilder Fury would have very little trouble defeating any version of either Klitschko brother; the wooden one who's a bit tougher, or the vastly more accomplished one who's somewhat fragile.

Yes easily you cannot win a chess boxing match with Usyk when you have an IQ deficit of atleast 30 points. Fact of the matter is Usyk was playing with Fury in both fights.

There are 3 fighters in history that are unbeatable. Tyson Fury 2.0 (the version that beat Wlad) Tokyo Douglas, and Charlie Zelenoff. If these 3 fighters fought amongst each other 1000 times, it would always end in a draw. None of these men can ever lose. Don't be fooled by Charlie Zelenoff's 0-1 record on Boxrec. As Charlie stated, he won that fight by DQ, and Nash has seen the footage. The schooling he gave OG Mayweather and his knockout of Wilder (Charlie has shown the footage) were wins to remember, as well as Deric the Giant, Navy Seals, Marines, Pizza Delivery men, Zelenoff, Kim Kardashian's very real ex, has beat them all. Nash out - His Majesty

Yes easily you cannot win a chess boxing match with Usyk when you have an IQ deficit of atleast 30 points. ​​

Yes easily you cannot win a technical boxing match with Usyk ​

Yes easily you cannot win a technical boxing match with Usyk

Prime Usyk is the Usyk who narrowly beat Mairis Briedis in a criminally underrated fight that should go down with Bivol-Beterbiev as one of the highest level fights of the modern era. That fight is 8 years ago. Usyk has been declining since then and still schooled Fury twice, despite being clearly in physical decline. Fury has built an entire career of only fighting people that he has a speed and coordination advantage over. He never wanted to fight Usyk, but the Saudis made him an offer he couldn't refuse. He has never fought the more mobile and coordinated top heavyweights of the division - e.g. guys like Parker, Michael Hunter, Agit Kabayel, Hrgovic etc. because he knows that those guys would give him his toughest fights. Instead he dines out 3 x each with Dereck Chisora and Deontay Wilder. He would never beat any version of Usyk.

People used to claim that Fury moved like a middleweight. Until a heavyweight (ironically mocked and called 'middleweight') showed him up. It isn't the case that he used to move like a middleweight and now doesn't. He never did. He was big and clumsy and his footwork often put him in trouble. Against your average heavyweight he could simply 'outbig' them. But against a genuinely good boxer he got well and truly beaten. And I don't buy the closeness argument - they were very clear wins for Usyk. Fury landed a couple of decent shots across a couple of rounds in the first fight. He was competitive for the rest, but never better. The scoring in the rematch was a joke. So no, prime Fury wouldn't beat Usyk. He could never live with Usyk's footwork, feints and technique. He was never fast enough to really catch him. Oh yeah, and he's got no idea how to defend against the left hand. Even a non boxer peppered him with it.

I have been vocal in the past that Fury was overrated and his success was due to his size and limited opposition. Maybe he could have gotten a robbery decision, but I suspect Usyk has his number, as he's had the number of everyone he's faced. His success wasn't down to his size or every fighter over 6 foot 6 would be at the top of the division when that isn't the case at all. In many cases being that big is a DISADVANTAGE as they become plodding with poor biomechanics. Fury was exceptional due to his fluidity DESPITE his size, however terrible discipline outside the ring lead to an early decline I find it amazing that fans give the likes of Tyson and Bowe a pass for being past prime VERY early but Fury being past prime after spending 2 years as a 400lb drug addict and being dropped by wilder 5x is just not possible lol

I have been vocal in the past that Fury was overrated and his success was due to his size and limited opposition. Maybe he could have gotten a robbery decision, but I suspect Usyk has his number, as he's had the number of everyone he's faced.

When are you fools going to learn that younger in age doesn’t necessarily mean younger in terms of boxing? Yea, a lot of those morons will say “but Floyd is older than Pac” or “Lewis was older than Tyson” without understanding that different fighters age differently.

Yeah, my "w/o opinion" remark Talk about flippant. As if we can ever truly know which HW era is the most decrepit. Well, I'm going to respectfully disagree and stand by my.... Wait for it...... .......Opinion (:lol1:) on the matter. John Ruiz would be considered an ATG if he were fighting in this era. I'll let him know that. I told George Chuvalo that very same thing awhile back. He said, "you're probably right". George is in his twilight now, doesn't speak any longer, and I miss my friend.

Oleksandr Uysk has neither beaten a peak Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua 'But he has still beaten very good versions of those fighters, and those wins are still pound for pound the two best victories in boxing of the past 15 years. Tyson Fury was clearly in his best condition in many years against Oleksandr Uysk I & II, and Anthony Joshua was technically and fundamentally as a fighter at his best vs Uysk I & II, but maybe in other areas of his game he was nowhere near his peak i.e. Such as his aggression, and offensive capabilities'. I have stated many times before, that Oleksandr Uysk entered the Heavyweight Division at a opportune time 'In combination Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder had already effectively cleared out the entire Heavyweight Division. And there could be a definitive debate that all three Heavyweight Mountains were not at their peak. Fury, Wilder and Joshua had all at that stage of their careers, fought and won their definitive battles. Fights, victories, loses and comebacks had all transpired that would define their resumes and historical significance as fighters. All three Heavyweight Mountains were future hall of fame fighters candidates, as they had without any doubt solidified themselves as the premier champions of their boxing era'. Note: If Oleksandr Uysk had entered the Heavyweight Divisions just a few years earlier 'I think the concern and debate on whether he would have beaten a peak Tyson Fury, is just one of the challenges he would have to overcome. Uysk at that stage in boxing history, would have to fight his way through more heavyweight fighters. He would potentially be encountering a superior version of Derek Chisora, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder before eventually fighting Tyson Fury. The reason why I have mentioned Fury last out of those opponents is because? Fury has only ever taken big fights, when he has really has to. Hypothetically I would imagine, Fury would down play Usyk as a challenger and let other premier Heavyweight Champions make their title defenses vs Oleksandr Uysk. That is what actually happened in recent times, and I believe even at his peak Fury would behave the same way as a Champion'. To conclude: I am not going to disrespect or devalue Oleksandr Uysk 'And automatically just suggest that Tyson Fury would have beaten him over decade ago. But I think it is commonsense that the fight between the two fights would be even closer. I think all three Heavyweight Mountains would be a formidable task for Oleksandr Uysk, stylistically? When I analyse Fury, Joshua and Wilder at their best. I actually think both Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder are more difficult fights to prepare for and win for Oleksandr Uysk, than the fight against Tyson Fury'. Anthony Joshua has a combination of power and elite level skill, and Deontay Wilder is going to be very aware that the only way he beats Oleksandr Uysk is by a violent destruction. Both of those fights involve a extreme level of jeopardy for Uysk, many times more higher than a potential fight vs the version of Tyson Fury which I call The Riddler'. Overall Oleksandr Uysk was fortunate to enter the Heavyweight Divisions when he did 'The path was completely clear for him to go straight towards fighting both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. His 4 wins vs both Fury and Joshua are the greatest pound for pound wins of the past 15 years. But I think most boxing analyst are very aware that neither Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua were at their absolute peak as fighters'. Note: I did not vote on the poll etc. TBF I only glanced over your meticulous comment Usyk is older by a lil and has a better resume than Fury and AJ. Fury has Wilder 3x (giggles) Usyk has Fury and AJ 4x

Without using opionions. Lol. Of course! And while I'm at it, I apologize for my flippant and insulting remark shot out before we had some dialog. I've been involved in boxing, on some level, since the early 1970's. I do not recall any time when fans didn't say "this Heavyweight division is the worst in history". Never. I remember clearly, in 1975, fans committed to the idea. "Heavyweights suck. Ali is so overrated. No power, never goes to the body, Jones, Frazier and Norton, who all suck, beat Ali. Norton has no skills and a glass jaw. Frazier is too short and washed up. Forman has zero stamina and zero boxing skill, and the same goes for Lyle. Jimmy Young is lazy, Shavers has a glass jaw AND no stamina, Quarry is a washed up bleeder. Bugner has no urgency when he fights, and Bobick, Wepner, Neumann, Middletown, Holmes, Smith, Dennis, Boudreaux and Ward, will NEVER be world class". That's the truth. It was a case of not knowing what you've got until its gone, and being critical because it's fun, I suppose. I take people's questions seriously, so let me present this for you: World Boxing Rankings - Today HEAVYWEIGHT World Champion - Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 23-0-0 (14) 1. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24)* 2. Daniel Dubois, England 22-2-0 (21) 3. Joseph Parker, New Zealand 36-3-0 (24) 4. Agit Kabayel, Turkey 26-0-0 (18) 5. Zhilei Zhang, China 27-3-1 (22) 6. Andy Ruiz Jr., USA 35-2-1 (22) 7. Jarrell Miller, USA 26-1-2 (22) 8. Moses Itauma, England 12-0-0 (10) 9. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (24) 10. Fabio Wardley, England 18-0-1 (17) Vs........ World Boxing Rankings - 21 Years Ago HEAVYWEIGHT World Champion - Vacant since February 2004 1. Vitali Klitschko, Ukraine 34-2-0 (34) 2. Chris Byrd, USA 37-2-1 (20) 3. John Ruiz, USA 40-5-1 (28) 4. Hassim Rahman, USA 37-5-0 (31) 5. James Toney, USA 67-4-1 (43) 6. Monte Barrett, USA 30-3-0 (16) 7. Andrew Golota, Poland 38-4-1 (33) 8. Fres Oquendo, USA 24-3-0 (15) 9. Jameel McCline, USA 31-5-3 (19) 10. Corrie Sanders, S. Africa 40-3-0 (30) Personally, in head to head matchups, I see today's roster as significantly superior, and not by a little. Now that might be an opinion, but is one that is used by a great many in this industry. Yeah, my "w/o opinion" remark Talk about flippant. As if we can ever truly know which HW era is the most decrepit. Well, I'm going to respectfully disagree and stand by my.... Wait for it...... .......Opinion (:lol1:) on the matter. John Ruiz would be considered an ATG if he were fighting in this era.

When are you fools going to learn that younger in age doesn’t necessarily mean younger in terms of boxing? Fury is very young in terms of boxing. Dude barely fought any top 10 guys in the last 10 years. I understood you fools think thought Pianeta and Schwarz were elite opponents, but that was not true.