Just feels like so much can go wrong. Not only do they both have to win, they essentially both need to look good too.
Like let’s say Ryan blasted out Rolly like he was expected too, would there really be more interest in Ryan-Haney II after how boring the Haney fight was? I think there would have been far more interest in an immediate rematch straight up.
Same with Plant and Charlo last night, let’s say Plant get’s a gift decision last night, are we really any more interested in seeing Plant-Charlo than we already were? I don’t think so, if anything I’d be less interested after a bad performance.
We also seen it go horribly wrong with Joshua and Wilder 18 months ago, for a fight that was already way past it’s best, if one fight didn’t need marinating any further it was this one.
To cut a long story short, stop all this slow build BS and just make the fight!! Hearns and Leonard fought at 22 and 25 respectively and both became bigger stars in the process. This whole “marination” strategy is nowhere near as rewarding as promoters think.
Agreed...Harlem is just living off the family name and is nothing special. What do you make of Azim? I think he's an ELITE talent because at 22yo he's already beating previous world champions and challengers like Lipinets & Davies with ease. Also, although he has fast hands like Khan, unlike Amir he's actually able to take a shot and has KO power.
Yeah very talented kid, has a lot of natural ability and also pretty decent technically too. Shane McGuigan thinks very highly of him too, sure I’ve seen him say the most gifted fighter he’s trained.
I don’t rate Harlem Eubank, I think Azim would stop him comfortably. Catterall probably bores us to death with a decision win. I guess the Eubank name obviously carries enough weight for top contenders to want to fight him.
Agreed...Harlem is just living off the family name and is nothing special. What do you make of Azim? I think he's an ELITE talent because at 22yo he's already beating previous world champions and challengers like Lipinets & Davies with ease. Also, although he has fast hands like Khan, unlike Amir he's actually able to take a shot and has KO power.
I think he's struggling to land a big fight so is probably viewing this as a 'stay busy' fight. Also, the original plan was to fight Harlem Eubank (who's now fighting Catterall) so beating a common opponent sets him up nicely to face the winner of those two.
I don’t rate Harlem Eubank, I think Azim would stop him comfortably. Catterall probably bores us to death with a decision win. I guess the Eubank name obviously carries enough weight for top contenders to want to fight him.
Yeah weird one that. Former Harlem Eubank opponent this Chavez, I think he hurt Eubank but got DQ’d for hitting on the break or something like that.
I think Boxxer might be without a broadcaster in the near future, hence why they’re getting Azim a run out. Other than that, can’t see the point in this matchup.
I think he's struggling to land a big fight so is probably viewing this as a 'stay busy' fight. Also, the original plan was to fight Harlem Eubank (who's now fighting Catterall) so beating a common opponent sets him up nicely to face the winner of those two.
Thanks for the update...apparently he's going to be fighting this weekend in Barnsley against some random Mexican dude in a stay busy fight. However, I still expect him to land a big fight later this year (against Prograis or somebody else) possibly on a card in Saudi to get some international exposure.
https://www.boxingscene.com/articles/adam-azim-is-added-to-saturdays-show-in-barnsley
Yeah weird one that. Former Harlem Eubank opponent this Chavez, I think he hurt Eubank but got DQ’d for hitting on the break or something like that.
I think Boxxer might be without a broadcaster in the near future, hence why they’re getting Azim a run out. Other than that, can’t see the point in this matchup.
I don’t think Prograis is interested. Said he’d rather retire than come to the UK as an opponent. Money talks though.
I’ve also heard Claggett and Commey mentioned which I’m not too interested in.
Thanks for the update...apparently he's going to be fighting this weekend in Barnsley against some random Mexican dude in a stay busy fight. However, I still expect him to land a big fight later this year (against Prograis or somebody else) possibly on a card in Saudi to get some international exposure.
https://www.boxingscene.com/articles/adam-azim-is-added-to-saturdays-show-in-barnsley
Azim is every bit as good as Itauma...you're sleeping on his talent. The kid is just 22yo but already DOMINATING former world champions like Lipinets & world title contenders like Davies. Rumour has it that he's going to face Prograis this summer in his 'coming out' fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3M0G8HKdP0&ab_channel=SkySportsBoxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1cUdfzjgQE&ab_channel=SkySportsBoxing
I don’t think Prograis is interested. Said he’d rather retire than come to the UK as an opponent. Money talks though.
I’ve also heard Claggett and Commey mentioned which I’m not too interested in.
I can tell MOSES is world class. talent pool isn't as rich at heavyweight
Adam could be a euro level athlete in disguise
Adam needs further testing
Azim is every bit as good as Itauma...you're sleeping on his talent. The kid is just 22yo but already DOMINATING former world champions like Lipinets & world title contenders like Davies. Rumour has it that he's going to face Prograis this summer in his 'coming out' fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3M0G8HKdP0&ab_channel=SkySportsBoxing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1cUdfzjgQE&ab_channel=SkySportsBoxing
I agree. The added value is very minimal. Not worth the risk.
Especially fights like Charlo v Plant. Neither have a mainstream/crossover following anyway and never will, their fight would only appeal to captured audience of people who follow boxing closely, so it really makes no difference whether the fight is now in 6 months time but now that captured audience will be less interested
Delaying these fights either makes no difference or it gets ruined.
Exactly my line of thinking. There’s just no value in delaying certain fights.
My point is why risk it? Does them both winning really add that much value? I just don’t see it.
I agree. The added value is very minimal. Not worth the risk.
Especially fights like Charlo v Plant. Neither have a mainstream/crossover following anyway and never will, their fight would only appeal to captured audience of people who follow boxing closely, so it really makes no difference whether the fight is now in 6 months time but now that captured audience will be less interested
Delaying these fights either makes no difference or it gets ruined.
Are you talking about Moses Itauma and Adam Azim? If so, BOTH are special and the future of British boxing and the sport in general in my opinion.
As for his chin, Itauma is a Heavyweight so get's a hard pass as it's the only division where one punch really can end a fight. Anyhow, we won't know until he faces a REAL puncher but so far so good.I can tell MOSES is world class. talent pool isn't as rich at heavyweight
Adam could be a euro level athlete in disguise
Adam needs further testing
MOSES and Adam
MOSES is a special
I hope MOSES is iron chin hero
Are you talking about Moses Itauma and Adam Azim? If so, BOTH are special and the future of British boxing and the sport in general in my opinion.
As for his chin, Itauma is a Heavyweight so get's a hard pass as it's the only division where one punch really can end a fight. Anyhow, we won't know until he faces a REAL puncher but so far so good.
I've been watching boxing for 35+ years and I can't remember a time where the so called top boxers in the sport are losing these many "tune up" fights. :lol1:
In all seriousness, I do like the marketing strategy of younger or lesser known fighters who will fight each other to co-headline an event before their fight. There really is no better way to build hype as long as they both look good in their tune up fights, but for the already established fighters and champions I do agree that it's not really necessary, they can sell the fight on their names alone.
I for one will never understand it ever.
It's as if everything will go smoothly without anything happening as time passes.
There's long-term injuries that might happen, brush with the law, family issues,
fake mental issues, you name it.
True. Something DID happen. Plant lost and the "big fight" is gone. The marinating went kaput.
That's been the problem with boxing forever. Trying to milk fights forever hoping to almost build up a suspense, only for it to be spoiled by the dude who didn't get the script.
They put these prefight type matches out almost as an appetizer but you don't care about it. You already want the two to face each other and rather than be facing each other instead of the appetizer opponent. It's dumb and an old school format that needs to be updated. It's like the promoters/managers just can't read the room.
I mean it can make sense if they are making even matchups and just say the winners of the main/co-main will fight next.
It's annoying when they make a doubleheader card and we all know which fight they'd prefer.
At least let me pretend that Resendiz vs Lamanna could have been the next main event with losers Charlo/Plant on the under. Resendiz will probably have to beat Plant twice to fight Charlo, for example.
In this case it was unavoidable. There was NO WAY that Charlo was going to fight Plant without a gift tune-up first, and no way Plant was going to sit around and wait. Whether or not their respective fights were on the same card or different cards I dont think really matters much........
Honestly wouldn’t surprise me if Jermall ends up on the shelf for another 18 months and returns with another soft touch in 2027.
The point is money.
You sell tickets and get TV revenue for two events instead of one.
When it going right, it works out well for everyone. But sometimes it doesn't.
If you do the big fight first you have a potential rematch and far more lucrative options than two guys in tune ups.
I get the theory behind it but it seems illogical in practice.
One of the best ways to answer your two questions and determine if these matchups are worth pairing up is to have these fighters fight on the same card, on the same night. Fighters are judged by their last performance.
The Ryan-Haney rematch is even more interesting now that Haney won his last fight and Ryan lost his last fight. Before that, you'd think Ryan would easily dominate Haney again but now it looks like a 50-50 match-up.
Nah I don’t think that’s the case at all. It seems like the Saudi’s agree too because it doesn’t seem to be happening.