What will become of the Heavyweight championship of the World?

Good thoughts posted. Important to acknowledge that each one of the 15 "Organizations" used in the illustration of potential Armageddon is real. Although some unknown writer had recently coined the phrase "The Four belt era"; know that that the other 11 are just one hefty cheque in the mail away from "general acceptance". As a friend of the late New Jersey boxing commissioner, WBA VP, IBF founder and convicted felon Bobby Lee; I can almost assure you of that. Beware of placing the recording of history in the hands of these organizations. As long as we have a unified who won ( two of the four major belts ) and a lineal champ the alphabet guys can rearrange lawn chairs for a l I care​ Give me a quality champion who is active. Usyk fits the bill.

People said the same thing after fury beat Klitschko then got stripped and the belts went everywhere What happened? We got an entertaining scramble between Wilder, AJ, Parker, Ruiz until Fury returned then Usyk came up and unified Essentially, who gives a damn, the cream will rise to the top as it always does.

3, 4, what's the difference. There can only be one. At heavyweight, We've always had that. The lineal. I'm proposing a compromise in the absence of a realistic path to your maximal goal.

Usyk remains a threat to the singular distinction held by Marciano. That's something.

What do you mean IF? He is the real champion end of story, no one has any other claim as champion at HW unless he 1. loses 2. retires 3. moves back to CW. True. I'd even argue that if he moved back to Cruiserweight, that he's still the champion at Heavyweight. No doubt in my mind. Many of the best past champions were what we call Cruiserweights today.

This. He should buy everything and immediately erase the WBOgus from history, pretend it never happened. Then once we're back to the three proper belts, tell the three presidents they can continue to run the organisations semi-autonomously on the following conditions: Issuing 'interim' belts is punishable by removal of hands by sword. 'Regular' belts mean a public flogging for Mendoza. Lame mandatories mean Daryl Peoples gets locked in a Saudi dungeon. 'Diamond/Franchise' belts is a public hanging for Sulaiman. Problems solved. 3, 4, what's the difference. There can only be one. At heavyweight, We've always had that. The lineal.

What do you mean IF? He is the real champion end of story, no one has any other claim as champion at HW unless he 1. loses 2. retires 3. moves back to CW. I agree with you. The fact is he goes into the fight with 3 belts. I wasn’t suggesting he wasn’t the man at Hwt. read it again. He could lose but I do t think he will.

And then buys the other orgs and somehow orchestrates a group vote where they ban new belts and new orgs from ever being created again, while also eliminating all but 2 or 3 current orgs. This. He should buy everything and immediately erase the WBOgus from history, pretend it never happened. Then once we're back to the three proper belts, tell the three presidents they can continue to run the organisations semi-autonomously on the following conditions: Issuing 'interim' belts is punishable by removal of hands by sword. 'Regular' belts mean a public flogging for Mendoza. Lame mandatories mean Daryl Peoples gets locked in a Saudi dungeon. 'Diamond/Franchise' belts is a public hanging for Sulaiman. Problems solved.

Yeah. The only saving grace is maybe Turkish cuts through it and has a 8 man tourney where the top 2 ranked fight for each belt and the winners keep fighting until there is one unified champ again. And then buys the other orgs and somehow orchestrates a group vote where they ban new belts and new orgs from ever being created again, while also eliminating all but 2 or 3 current orgs.

Yeah. The only saving grace is maybe Turkish cuts through it and has a 8 man tourney where the top 2 ranked fight for each belt and the winners keep fighting until there is one unified champ again. The kind of money that he has access to does tend to grease the wheels. We'll hope for the best, because; as you can see by responses in this thread alone; the Alphabet organizations and the "writers" (bloggers, really) who they influence (bribe?); have made giant strides this decade in obscuring real history in their pursuit of profit (ill-gotten), and confusing casual fans. That's tragic for Boxing, because it is that rich history that makes Boxing very different from, and more important than, the innumerable other combat sports such as slap fighting. The Alphabet orgs are selling crack, and the casual fans are unwittingly becoming addicted.

Sorry mate but I just don't buy it. Lineal used to mean something... because it was the way that fighters proved who was the best. The Lineal champion would take on their challenger to decide who was the best. Boxers could still do that. They shouldn't need someone with billions to decide that they wanted to find out and were prepared to pay anything to make it happen. But prior to His Excellency they avoided it. Fury claimed Lineal without fighting anyone worthwhile. Some of the titlists refused to unify. Assuming you don't disagree with this paragraph - what made the supposed Lineal champion more deserving than the titlists? They were all dodging their duty to the sport. If we've got a supposed Lineal champion who won't fight anyone and a titlist who takes on all comers then Lineal isn't worth anything. In the same way that the fighter makes the belt what it is, the fighter makes Lineal with it is. It's always the fighter. You don't need belts to define the best, nor Lineal. There is a contradiction in there, when you state that "It's always the fighter", but you'd place a contrived belt that some non-fighter can strip and bestow without a fight! The man who beat the man process is engineered to prevent that, so that it's ALWAYS the fighter.

Exactly right. Yeah. The only saving grace is maybe Turkish cuts through it and has a 8 man tourney where the top 2 ranked fight for each belt and the winners keep fighting until there is one unified champ again.

If Usyk unifies and then retires as I expect it will be an absolute cluster ***********. Exactly right.

If Usyk unifies and then retires as I expect it will be an absolute cluster fuck.

Good thoughts posted. Important to acknowledge that each one of the 15 "Organizations" used in the illustration of potential Armageddon is real. Although some unknown writer had recently coined the phrase "The Four belt era"; know that that the other 11 are just one hefty cheque in the mail away from "general acceptance". As a friend of the late New Jersey boxing commissioner, WBA VP, IBF founder and convicted felon Bobby Lee; I can almost assure you of that. Beware of placing the recording of history in the hands of these organizations.

....If young fans continue to be mislead into thinking that the One Lineal World Championship title is anything less than the ONLY real title? In all probability, something like this: Heavyweight International Ratings May 2028 Champion: Not Important 1. Moses Itauma, 23 World Boxing Council Champion 2. Vladyslav Sirenko, 33 Saudi General Entertainment Authority Champion 3. Lenier Pero, 35 World Boxing Association Champion 4. Agit Kabayel, 35 Universal Boxing Federation Champion 5. Richard Torrez Jr, 28 World Boxing Federation Champion 6. Bakhodir Jalolov, 33 Ring Magazine World Champion 7. Fabio Wardley, 33 International Boxing Association Champion 8. Willy Kyakonye, 33 International Boxing Federation Champion 9. Joseph Parker, 36 Professional Boxing Association Champion 10. Justis Huni, 29 International Boxing Council Champion 11. Lawrence Okolie, 35 World Boxing Organization Champion 12. Daniel Dubois, 30 World Boxing Union Champion 13. Efe Ajagba, 34 Global Boxing League Champion 14. Alexis Barriere, 32 Professional Boxing Association Champion 15. Seun Salami, 31 World Boxing Foundation Champion​ But what about the WBA regualr champion?

Sorry mate but I just don't buy it. Lineal used to mean something... because it was the way that fighters proved who was the best. The Lineal champion would take on their challenger to decide who was the best. Boxers could still do that. They shouldn't need someone with billions to decide that they wanted to find out and were prepared to pay anything to make it happen. But prior to His Excellency they avoided it. Fury claimed Lineal without fighting anyone worthwhile. Some of the titlists refused to unify. Assuming you don't disagree with this paragraph - what made the supposed Lineal champion more deserving than the titlists? They were all dodging their duty to the sport. If we've got a supposed Lineal champion who won't fight anyone and a titlist who takes on all comers then Lineal isn't worth anything. In the same way that the fighter makes the belt what it is, the fighter makes Lineal with it is. It's always the fighter. You don't need belts to define the best, nor Lineal.