I really hope the Pacquiao-Barrios fight doesn’t happen.

Again, you can act incredulous all you want. But you know exactly why he ducked the drug testing. Period. You can keep repeating it, it won’t make it true. NOBODY knows the reason why he didn’t do the drug testing procedure. There could be a million and one reasons why. Is it suspect? Yes I would personally say it is. But you can’t just assert that that equates to him being a PED user because it objectively does not. It doesn’t matter how many times you repeat it, it won’t magically make it true. I’ll ask you again since you’ve avoided the question 3 times now. If you are claiming Manny Pacquaio is a “drug cheat”……WHAT DRUG?

im a bit confused time his cycle? would the cycle not have to be ongoing in the months running up to the fight where full testing is in operation? if he was taking something he would surely be caught Well firstly no he wouldn’t be surely caught. It’s not difficult to beat a random drug testing protcol without a cut off date, let alone with one. With one? There’s no point. The chances of beating it are so astronomically likely there is no point in doing it. As for timing. Months? No, probably not months. Depends on the athlete. The point is they know the date of the cut off for all testing. Meaning they can time it around that with their masking procedures and whatever else the team has in place (if they were to be using PEDs)

:lol1: Yes you are. You can’t honestly think that that isn’t abundantly clear? You’ve just asserted what the reason was, you don’t know what the reason was and there could be a plethora of them. It’s not an admission of guilt. I’m not even sure you know what that is. If Pacquauo is a drug cheat like you are claiming he is, what drug is it? Again, you can act incredulous all you want. But you know exactly why he ducked the drug testing. Period.

It quite literally defeats the entire point of doing the testing procedure. If there’s a cut off date, there is no point doing the procedure at all because you can time your cycle around the specified cut off date. It’s as good as useless with a cut off date. im a bit confused time his cycle? would the cycle not have to be ongoing in the months running up to the fight where full testing is in operation? if he was taking something he would surely be caught

i wouldnt quite say totally defeat the point of it, it would give pac a window of 10 days to take 'something' that wouldnt show up in urine and would be out of his blood for the post fight blood test as well, this substance also would not be able to be taken throughout the entire run up to the fight as full tests were on, im not an expert in the area but that sounds quite limiting to me anyway It quite literally defeats the entire point of doing the testing procedure. If there’s a cut off date, there is no point doing the procedure at all because you can time your cycle around the specified cut off date. It’s as good as useless with a cut off date.

I'm not new to boxing, I was following the story as it happened, and it's absolutely an admission of guilt. And, once again, you absolutely know it. You just don't want to admit it. This isn't a court of law. They're not going to punish Pacquiao if you admit what you know is the truth. He ducked the biggest possible fight over drug testing, and the reason for that is because he knew he'd fail. It's okay to admit it. Everyone knows. :lol1: Yes you are. You can’t honestly think that that isn’t abundantly clear? You’ve just asserted what the reason was, you don’t know what the reason was and there could be a plethora of them. It’s not an admission of guilt. I’m not even sure you know what that is. If Pacquauo is a drug cheat like you are claiming he is, what drug is it?

50yo Pac SMASHES him...Barrios is nothing special and effectively a paper champion who's lost every time he's stepped up in competition. Why else do you think Pac's chasing him specifically as opposed to Boots & Norman who also hold belts lol.

Pacquaio agreed to the testing but only with a cut off date. Which does totally defeat the entire point of doing random drug testing in the first place. . i wouldnt quite say totally defeat the point of it, it would give pac a window of 10 days to take 'something' that wouldnt show up in urine and would be out of his blood for the post fight blood test as well, this substance also would not be able to be taken throughout the entire run up to the fight as full tests were on, im not an expert in the area but that sounds quite limiting to me anyway

He’s new to boxing so wouldn’t understand the context of it being brand new at the time (random drug testing protocol) Pacquaio agreed to the testing but only with a cut off date. Which does totally defeat the entire point of doing random drug testing in the first place. But it’s neither here nor there, its still neither an admission of guilt or a evidence of Pacquaio using PEDs. It is a reason to be suspicous and nothing more. I'm not new to boxing, I was following the story as it happened, and it's absolutely an admission of guilt. And, once again, you absolutely know it. You just don't want to admit it. This isn't a court of law. They're not going to punish Pacquiao if you admit what you know is the truth. He ducked the biggest possible fight over drug testing, and the reason for that is because he knew he'd fail. It's okay to admit it. Everyone knows.

ive forgotten a lot of that stuff but didnt pac agree to drug testing he just said he didnt like blood drawn close to a fight so wanted a cutoff date for blood taken, 10 days or something before fight with as much urine tests as they like and blood test right after the fight, floyd had agreed to it at one point but then changed his mind, so there was 2 of them at it i remember, then floyd went on his hols remember the context of all of this too, this was i think the first boxing match that such demands were made of a fighter, it wasnt standard stuff at that point, the deal they had to fight was very reasonable i thought He’s new to boxing so wouldn’t understand the context of it being brand new at the time (random drug testing protocol) Pacquaio agreed to the testing but only with a cut off date. Which does totally defeat the entire point of doing random drug testing in the first place. But it’s neither here nor there, its still neither an admission of guilt or a evidence of Pacquaio using PEDs. It is a reason to be suspicous and nothing more.

Of course it's an admission of guilt. You're just giving him unreasonable benefit of the doubt because of his accomplishments. Nothing else needs to be said, you're just in denial. No it really isn’t an admission of guilt at all. You are unreasonably claiming he’s a drug cheat. When as far anyone knows, he objectively is not that. If Manny Pacquaio is a drug cheat. Which drug?

Delusional nonsense. He turned down the biggest payday and biggest legacy fight of his life because he didn't want drug testing. There's only one reason for that and you know it. You can play dumb all you want. ive forgotten a lot of that stuff but didnt pac agree to drug testing he just said he didnt like blood drawn close to a fight so wanted a cutoff date for blood taken, 10 days or something before fight with as much urine tests as they like and blood test right after the fight, floyd had agreed to it at one point but then changed his mind, so there was 2 of them at it i remember, then floyd went on his hols remember the context of all of this too, this was i think the first boxing match that such demands were made of a fighter, it wasnt standard stuff at that point, the deal they had to fight was very reasonable i thought

No I don’t know and objectively nobody does. It’s suspiscous behaviour, sure. But it’s not admission of guilt and it certainly is not proof of guilt, at all. If Manny Pacquaio is a drug cheat, what drug? Of course it's an admission of guilt. You're just giving him unreasonable benefit of the doubt because of his accomplishments. Nothing else needs to be said, you're just in denial.

There is no other reason to duck the biggest payday and legacy fight of your career over drug testing other than that you will fail that drug test. You can say whatever you want but you know, 100%, that statement is absolutely true. Be pretentious, act like there is some kind of plausible alternative explanation. But deep down, you know. No I don’t know and objectively nobody does. It’s suspiscous behaviour, sure. But it’s not admission of guilt and it certainly is not proof of guilt, at all. If Manny Pacquaio is a drug cheat, what drug?

Delusional nonsense :lol1: Get a clue you emotional fool. There isn’t only one reason. There is potentially many reasons. Either way, labelling the guy a “drug cheat” is incorrect, he is not that. Not that we know of atleast. If so, what drug? There is no other reason to duck the biggest payday and legacy fight of your career over drug testing other than that you will fail that drug test. You can say whatever you want but you know, 100%, that statement is absolutely true. Be pretentious, act like there is some kind of plausible alternative explanation. But deep down, you know.

Hope I get some good odds on barrios, yeah he isn't great but he doesn't have to be vs a 46 year old.

Delusional nonsense. He turned down the biggest payday and biggest legacy fight of his life because he didn't want drug testing. There's only one reason for that and you know it. You can play dumb all you want. Delusional nonsense :lol1: Get a clue you emotional fool. There isn’t only one reason. There is potentially many reasons. Either way, labelling the guy a “drug cheat” is incorrect, he is not that. Not that we know of atleast. If so, what drug?

pacquiao should fight boots

I thought you said you were gay? It’s not “end of” though, is it? Not doing a drug test doesn’t mean you are using drugs or it’s not evidence someone is using drugs. There could be a plethora of reasons why he didn’t want to do the random drug testing protocol at the time. That isn’t evidence that he used PEDs nor is it an admission of guilt. He’s never once said he’s afraid of needles, so that was a lie. He’s never failed a drug test, that’s all we know. We don’t know anything else. Calling him a “drug cheat” is disingenuous . Delusional nonsense. He turned down the biggest payday and biggest legacy fight of his life because he didn't want drug testing. There's only one reason for that and you know it. You can play dumb all you want.

He was an open sycophant of Duterte for years. The same Duterte that has been arrested by the International Criminal Court for thousands of extrajudicial executions. Manny Pacquiao was a collaborator and close friend of a mass murderer. That is an undeniable fact of his legacy. And people here are afraid to see him get punched? He should be in a cell next to Duterte for the rest of his life. He only began to criticize the man when his own political ambitions ran contrary to his. All politicans aren't bad people, but you're absolutely right here.