Was Ryan Garcia robbed a win ?

Garcia had a plan....until he got punched in the mouth. Yes, first round he was jabbing effectively but as soon as he got hit....he basically quit. Even Jake Paul is more of a boxer than Garcia is. Ryan is an illusion of a boxer. A Hollywood version of someone who can take a dangerous situation and turn it into a victory. These guys, all of them... are basically kids. I am talking about Haney, Ryan, Tank, Garcia, Rolly... They are growing up. At the highest level of any sport, any military special ops, etc people get weeded out. It sounds horrible to say it that way, but, there are very few who just are the whole package. I think Ryan can still be a decent fighter. He has to plaster those cracks.I give him a lot more than Haney who is under illusions perpetuated by his dad. Ryan did jab well and I still cannot figure out why he couldn't throw his hook! I cannot believe Rolly checked it... and I have given Rolly all the credit in the world, he did a fantastic job.

The kid has no heart. He's encouraged when he's winning and discouraged when he's losing. He was already doubting himself when he realized that Romero was bigger than him. Then when Rolly dropped him, he went into a shell. Now granted, Rolly was tentative too, but he did enough to win.

You don't just count up landed punches. Knockdowns/point deductions Clean, effective punching Effective aggression Ring generalship Defense Those are your scoring criteria.

feasible is one thing but i dont remember too many people thinking fury did not win that fight but i havnt watched it in ages so cant remember those 3 rounds u are talking about When I say three rounds were close, I mean in regards to the compubox numbers, they are the three rounds I didn't mention (1, 5, 8) Just in measuring the compubox way....which once again I am not claiming to be accurate

The other three were close, and if Wilder took two of those three (which is feasible) it comes up a draw. . feasible is one thing but i dont remember too many people thinking fury did not win that fight but i havnt watched it in ages so cant remember those 3 rounds u are talking about

Ryan did use the jab nicely. But I do not think he won. Garcia had a plan....until he got punched in the mouth. Yes, first round he was jabbing effectively but as soon as he got hit....he basically quit. Even Jake Paul is more of a boxer than Garcia is. Ryan is an illusion of a boxer. A Hollywood version of someone who can take a dangerous situation and turn it into a victory.

yeah but didnt fury outland wilder in 9 rounds in that fight? the 2 rounds he got KD in being 2 of the 3 he didnt Yeah, but for this (compubox counting thing) I was ignoring any round where it was just within one punch (like I did with the Rolly Garcia fight), that being too slim of a margin. Fury had a clear outland of Wilder in 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and 10 (Six rounds total) Wilder had a clear outlanded Fury in 7, 9, and 12 (Three rounds total) The other three were close, and if Wilder took two of those three (which is feasible) it comes up a draw. Once again I am not saying this is how fights should be scored. Heck if I remember correctly, I think I gave Wilder rd 1 in my mind, but Fury two of the aforementioned close rounds; which still comes up 113-113. I am just writing that even on compubox Rolly scored the W, and Fury Wilder 1 was close.

Once again, I'm not agreeing with just compubox scoring as the criteria for scoring a fight. I was writing that even if you just look at the compubox numbers Rolly wins the fight with the KD being the difference. That being written, yeah to Wilder Fury 1 actually being a draw (both in my opinion and with counting compubox). If I remember it correctly there were 6 rounds Fury clearly won and 3 rounds Wilder clearly won (two because of KDs), 3 rounds were close. If Wilder gets two of those rounds, which is what I had it and not that far fetched, then it becomes 113-113 with the two KDs. One KD in a fight splits hairs on the cards, two becomes a big difference. Especially when they happen in different rounds (as a KD almost always secures the given round for the fighter that scored it). Wilder Fury 1 reminded every one of that...maybe some fighters need that to be reminded tot hem again so they will try to scored knockdowns and kos more often. yeah but didnt fury outland wilder in 9 rounds in that fight? the 2 rounds he got KD in being 2 of the 3 he didnt

If that’s the case Wilder vs Fury 1 was actually a draw ? Once again, I'm not agreeing with just compubox scoring as the criteria for scoring a fight. I was writing that even if you just look at the compubox numbers Rolly wins the fight with the KD being the difference. That being written, yeah to Wilder Fury 1 actually being a draw (both in my opinion and with counting compubox). If I remember it correctly there were 6 rounds Fury clearly won and 3 rounds Wilder clearly won (two because of KDs), 3 rounds were close. If Wilder gets two of those rounds, which is what I had it and not that far fetched, then it becomes 113-113 with the two KDs. One KD in a fight splits hairs on the cards, two becomes a big difference. Especially when they happen in different rounds (as a KD almost always secures the given round for the fighter that scored it). Wilder Fury 1 reminded every one of that...maybe some fighters need that to be reminded tot hem again so they will try to scored knockdowns and kos more often.

Ryan did use the jab nicely. But I do not think he won.

Remember, compubox is just a couple guys clicking a button to when they think a punch landed, and in no way does it indicate the accuracy or force of the punch itself. Its not amateurs where its just a point per punch landed. That being written, lets actually look at the punchstats. In only two separate rounds, 5 and 7 respectively, did Garcia out land in power punches. If we look at total punches landed, there were four separate rounds (1, 5, 7, and 8) in which he had more than a single total landed advantage. Romero also had four rounds (2, 6, 11, and 12) in which he had more than a single punch advantage in total lands. That leaves rounds 3, 4, 9, and 10 as being roughly even with the punchstats. In both 3 & 4 each fighter the same amount of power shots, and in each Garcia landed one more jab- so we give him those two. In each of rounds 9 and 10 Romero landed one more power shot, which in lieu of one fighter landing a preponderance of more punches seems to be fair, so we give him those. Mix in the KD, and this lands it at 114-113 for Romero. Like I wrote earlier, its not amateurs, so just landing the most touches doesnt win it for you. You need to cause some sort of damage. This can be done by landing a preponderance of shots, which compubox points to neither fighter doing, or you can land the better shots- which compubox cant show, but I think most agree that Rolly did. If that’s the case Wilder vs Fury 1 was actually a draw ?

You know it’s bad when the Compubox defense is used. Lol

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Remember, compubox is just a couple guys clicking a button to when they think a punch landed, and in no way does it indicate the accuracy or force of the punch itself. Its not amateurs where its just a point per punch landed. That being written, lets actually look at the punchstats. In only two separate rounds, 5 and 7 respectively, did Garcia out land in power punches. If we look at total punches landed, there were four separate rounds (1, 5, 7, and 8) in which he had more than a single total landed advantage. Romero also had four rounds (2, 6, 11, and 12) in which he had more than a single punch advantage in total lands. That leaves rounds 3, 4, 9, and 10 as being roughly even with the punchstats. In both 3 & 4 each fighter the same amount of power shots, and in each Garcia landed one more jab- so we give him those two. In each of rounds 9 and 10 Romero landed one more power shot, which in lieu of one fighter landing a preponderance of more punches seems to be fair, so we give him those. Mix in the KD, and this lands it at 114-113 for Romero. Like I wrote earlier, its not amateurs, so just landing the most touches doesnt win it for you. You need to cause some sort of damage. This can be done by landing a preponderance of shots, which compubox points to neither fighter doing, or you can land the better shots- which compubox cant show, but I think most agree that Rolly did.

Nope..........

Did he win? If you want to say both guys didn't throw enough, give it to the man who knocked the other man down and call it a day. Rollie actually fought like he wanted it just a tad bit more. Ryan was in there to survive. Nor did he look in anyway like his prior form. (ahem). Ryan is proving more and more how much of a farce he's always been. He honestly thought he could come in overweight vs Haney + use PEDs and either nobody would talk about it or immediately sweep it under the rug. Meanwhile collecting a "W" against a "legit" opponent. Since it didn't happen, he got called out on it and had to turn up clean as fuk for this fight, he may of doubted himself. He no longer had a size advantage or strength advantage as he did against Haney and it probably played with him a bit that he's facing an equal level opponent that has legit power. Then being dropped solidified his fears and made him hesistant to engage thereafter.

the punch stats say they were both awful

dont ever put ryan in a main event again. all that talk leading up the fight and then fought scared. i dont think ryan threw any power shots in fear of getting countered.