Would you say any of the PBC welterweights from the last 10 years or so are hall of famers?

Spence is not HOF. Like I said, they must meet both my 1 and 2 criteria. Both 1 and 2 must be met because it's a way of confirming their accomplishments and not a mere fluke or some clever matchmaking going on. Sure Spence was in the p4p rankings for a good stretch (2017-2024) but he has no marquee win (a win against a hall of famer or potential hall of famer) Mikey is not HOF. He was in the p4p rankings (2017-2019) but lacking any win against a hall of famer. Had he fought and won against Lomachenko, that would've sealed him into the HOF guaranteed. Obviously there's no stopping other voters from voting Shawn Porter in for "entertainment" reasons but that's them and not me. Porter was never in the p4p rankings and has no win over a hall of famer. Danny has 2 wins over a hall of famer in Morales, but lost to every one of his peers, thereby unable to sustain or confirm his accomplishments and ultimately failed to get in the p4p rankings. Who knows how fighters are voted in these days. Corrales got in despite having no win against a hall of famer. Interestingly enough, Hatton and Bradley both met my 1 and 2 criteria despite people groaning about their induction. Hatton beat a hall of famer in Tszyu. Hatton was also in the p4p rankings (2005-2009). Bradley beat hall of famers in Marquez and Pacquiao (yes ik it's a robbery but the win over Marquez cemented his place). Bradley was also in the p4p rankings (2010-2016). ​ You can still be in HOF even without beating a single Hall of Famer. Outside of Fame and popularity, they need consistent wins over quality top 10 rank fighters in their division/s, similar to what Hamed achieved during his time. I do agree with you though, that none of the PBC fighters should get in, but they will get in because of one big reason, being Americans. It is what it is. If IBHOF were Japan based, we'd see more Japanese fighters there. Your criteria is more of a ATG status, where you have to factor the quality of fighters they defeated. ATGs must defeat actual HOF elite/s to be considered one.

No, but I'd put Porter in there if I had a vote. He, unlike everybody else in his generation was willing to fight anybody & everybody, which it's sad to say, isn't a thing in this generation. He also has wins over former champions Yordenis Ugas, Danny Garcia, Andre Berto, Pauli Malinaggi, Devon Alexander, & Julio Diaz, He had razor-thin losses against the best versions of Errol Spence, Keith Thurman, & Kell Brook. I wouldn't vote for him if he was in any other era, but in THIS era, his career was extraordinary.

Hmm let's see... Spence was obliterated by Crawford Thurman lost to old Pacquiao Porter lost to a Prime Brook Danny lost to Thurman Danny is the only one on that list that isn't a natural welterweight and was able to win a championship coming up from a lower weight class (140) so that automatically puts him above everybody else. Danny was at his best at 140, he had a really good run there. Danny only won a belt at 147 cause it was vacant and it was against a worse opponent in Robert the bum guerrero who didn't beat anyone of note at 147

Errol Spence Keith Thurman Danny Garcia Shawn Porter Hmm let's see... Spence was obliterated by Crawford Thurman lost to old Pacquiao Porter lost to a Prime Brook Danny lost to Thurman Danny is the only one on that list that isn't a natural welterweight and was able to win a championship coming up from a lower weight class (140) so that automatically puts him above everybody else. Danny was at his best at 140, he had a really good run there.

Spence has like 1-2 good wins over Thurman and i'm talking about Blown Up Mikey Garcia level of win. If Spence gets in, so is Keith. Keith was at least competjtive against ATG Pacquaio, while Spence got demolished by Crawford. They have pretty similar resume, imo. Porter already in the ballot, and Danny will get into the ballot once he is eligible, but i doubt they would get voted to HOF. Time will tell. We had worse names there already and Americans always gets more points than any country because IBHOF is amercan based, they prioritize US fighters. If spencerina is hof so is Keith. Keith whooped danny and porter easier and better than spencerina years before. Spencerinas claim to fame is decisioning a fat mickey garcia Spence is not HOF. Like I said, they must meet both my 1 and 2 criteria. Both 1 and 2 must be met because it's a way of confirming their accomplishments and not a mere fluke or some clever matchmaking going on. Sure Spence was in the p4p rankings for a good stretch (2017-2024) but he has no marquee win (a win against a hall of famer or potential hall of famer) Mikey is not HOF. He was in the p4p rankings (2017-2019) but lacking any win against a hall of famer. Had he fought and won against Lomachenko, that would've sealed him into the HOF guaranteed. Obviously there's no stopping other voters from voting Shawn Porter in for "entertainment" reasons but that's them and not me. Porter was never in the p4p rankings and has no win over a hall of famer. Danny has 2 wins over a hall of famer in Morales, but lost to every one of his peers, thereby unable to sustain or confirm his accomplishments and ultimately failed to get in the p4p rankings. Who knows how fighters are voted in these days. Corrales got in despite having no win against a hall of famer. Interestingly enough, Hatton and Bradley both met my 1 and 2 criteria despite people groaning about their induction. Hatton beat a hall of famer in Tszyu. Hatton was also in the p4p rankings (2005-2009). Bradley beat hall of famers in Marquez and Pacquiao (yes ik it's a robbery but the win over Marquez cemented his place). Bradley was also in the p4p rankings (2010-2016). ​

Maybe spence, maybe Danny. Agree with this. But marginally at best imo.

I don't think any of them are. Spence and Thurman were on the right path at one stage but ultimately didn't do enough. No shame in that, they still had good careers. And please, I don't want to hear "but if Gatti got in..." again and again. Gatti was the exception to the rule.

Maybe spence, maybe Danny.

Spence has like 1-2 good wins over Thurman and i'm talking about Blown Up Mikey Garcia level of win. If Spence gets in, so is Keith. Keith was at least competjtive against ATG Pacquaio, while Spence got demolished by Crawford. They have pretty similar resume, imo. Porter already in the ballot, and Danny will get into the ballot once he is eligible, but i doubt they would get voted to HOF. Time will tell. We had worse names there already and Americans always gets more points than any country because IBHOF is amercan based, they prioritize US fighters.

my criteria for HOF is: 1. they would have to have at least one win over a hall of famer 2. they would have to be in the ring p4p rankings over a certain amount of time errol spence passes the number 2 criteria but not 1 keith thurman does not meet either criteria danny garcia passes the number 1 criteria but not 2 shawn porter does not meet either criteria If spencerina is hof so is Keith. Keith whooped danny and porter easier and better than spencerina years before. Spencerinas claim to fame is decisioning a fat mickey garcia

my criteria for HOF is: 1. they would have to have at least one win over a hall of famer 2. they would have to be in the ring p4p rankings over a certain amount of time errol spence passes the number 2 criteria but not 1 keith thurman does not meet either criteria danny garcia passes the number 1 criteria but not 2 shawn porter does not meet either criteria