Floyd, Bivol, Usyk and Beterbiev all say Crawford is #1 P4P

Ok fair but with the greatest of respect genuinely I could almost guarantee you couldn't even name me two fighters that Narvaez has beaten without looking it up. He was literally 40 when Inoue beat him. Narvaez was just a weak belt holder who has an extremely padded record filled with nobodies. He spent virtually all his career hiding out in Argentina making defences of a paper title against God only knows who. 118 was so dead it allowed a totally shot, nearly 40 yr old Donaire to have a little success against a bunch of cans. He was approaching 40, not his best weight and he beat nobody there of any note unless we're pretending Ouabali, Ryan Burnett are anything more they was. There are way too many titles being passed around like nobodies business in these lower weights. I think Inoue is an excellent little fighter but these divisions are dead (not his fault) and we're being forced to buy into false narratives like these opponents are so great when really we need to be honest like we was when say Wladimir Klitschko went on his bum of the month tour and just enjoy it and hope some competition establishes itself from somewhere rather than creating false narratives that not so good fighters are a whole heap better than they are or are world beaters. It pains me to say it the sport is in a terrible place. Sorry for the essay but we had this also with Golovkin and fans acting like Willie Monroe was some super slick, skilled boxer and Curtis Stevens and the likes was great opponents like come on now, its madness. Donaire, Nery, Fulton are his best wins for me and none are great. I wholeheartedly agree that most of Buds opposition was well past it or not very good to begin with, I've been saying this for years and called a hater and all sorts. All his wins have aged like milk. I think its a shame because Bud has actually wasted his career as far as I am concerned by being an opportunist cherrypicker when there has been plenty of legit competition available. He could easily have fought Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman, Boots, Stanionis, Vergil Ortiz and countless others. Maybe he could have beat them also but he just made a career out of biding his time and waiting for a weak link to appear and took the path of least resistance. How was donaire shot? Sounds like you are using a deductive argument instead of looking at the facts. Facts are 118 was one of donaires best division and he didn't have as much success in the higher weights before moving back down. Facts are he beat 2 of the top 3 guys. Burnett has more top 5 wins than tank davis and oubali has the same number. These guys weren't great but they were solid fighters and good wins. Donaire wasn't in his prime but he was far from shot.

TC is a skilled fighter, but if you remove spence from his resume, who has he really fought and beat that is worth mentioning? spence was his biggest fight at 35 year old. No lies told. One of the most disappointing careers I can think of. His talent is evident, but he made a career of not really challenging himself.

Because unlike the trolls and clowns on this board, they actually know boxing. I had him at #1 for years, but unlike a lot of people, I factor in activity level & recent wins in my list. A lot of people only look at who they consider the best fighter in the sport, which I understand. It's just not my methodology. Bud's the best fighter in the world to most of the people who know boxing, even if he doesn't have the best resume & isn't the most active. Crawford is up there but he certainly ain't above usyk.....also he was not convincing in his last fight. It don't make sense when you say he doesn't have the best resume or he's to inactive as that's the criteria for being P4P king lol I like Crawford a lot btw but he ain't the P4P numero Uno he is however if he pulls it out the bag against gingernelo

Ok fair but with the greatest of respect genuinely I could almost guarantee you couldn't even name me two fighters that Narvaez has beaten without looking it up. He was literally 40 when Inoue beat him. Narvaez was just a weak belt holder who has an extremely padded record filled with nobodies. He spent virtually all his career hiding out in Argentina making defences of a paper title against God only knows who. 118 was so dead it allowed a totally shot, nearly 40 yr old Donaire to have a little success against a bunch of cans. He was approaching 40, not his best weight and he beat nobody there of any note unless we're pretending Ouabali, Ryan Burnett are anything more they was. There are way too many titles being passed around like nobodies business in these lower weights. I think Inoue is an excellent little fighter but these divisions are dead (not his fault) and we're being forced to buy into false narratives like these opponents are so great when really we need to be honest like we was when say Wladimir Klitschko went on his bum of the month tour and just enjoy it and hope some competition establishes itself from somewhere rather than creating false narratives that not so good fighters are a whole heap better than they are or are world beaters. It pains me to say it the sport is in a terrible place. Sorry for the essay but we had this also with Golovkin and fans acting like Willie Monroe was some super slick, skilled boxer and Curtis Stevens and the likes was great opponents like come on now, its madness. Donaire, Nery, Fulton are his best wins for me and none are great. I wholeheartedly agree that most of Buds opposition was well past it or not very good to begin with, I've been saying this for years and called a hater and all sorts. All his wins have aged like milk. I think its a shame because Bud has actually wasted his career as far as I am concerned by being an opportunist cherrypicker when there has been plenty of legit competition available. He could easily have fought Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman, Boots, Stanionis, Vergil Ortiz and countless others. Maybe he could have beat them also but he just made a career out of biding his time and waiting for a weak link to appear and took the path of least resistance. I follow the lowerwgts, so I know many of Narvaez's past opponents. The reason he fought mainly in Argentina was because he was a national icon. That's how the business works. Also, I find it extremely hypocritical to say Donaire was shot because he was nearly 40. FACT IS, he was 36 yrs old, and was dominant at BW. If your point is to discredit fighters because they are 36 yrs old, let me also remind you that Crawford is 37 Usyk is 38 Beterbiev is 40. Going up 2 wgt classes and challenging for belts is what gave Donaire the losses. A bit crazy and unrealistic on Donaire's part if you ask me. But to be discredited because he tried is also a bit unfair. Out of Inoue's key wins, I wouldn't downplay Fulton. Fulton was the man at 122. He also beat the Leo, the man at 126 now. At the time, Fulton was considered a P4P top 10-15. And it was Inoue's first fight moving up. You gotta give him props for dominating Scooter like that. The lighterwgt divisons have and always will be less respected by western fans. Most people have no clue, and mainly refer to boxingrec when they want to evaluate a fighter's status.... ​​​ I think a large part of how Monster is perceived by the boxing community and media is based on how he wins. He obliterates everyone. No one is doing that in boxing now. None of the P4P top guys are doing that. TC barely beat Madrimov. Usyk beat Fury by split dec. The part I agree with you is, Inoue has yet to find his arch-nemesis. Although it's not his fault, it needs to happen. We have 2 P4P top guys in Bam and Junto... Inoue has already asked Junto for a title fight, and both have verbally agreed sometime I would imagine 2025 or 26. I can see Bam in 2027. So the potential is big.

I believe you've already answered your own question when you asked who do we think is the king of the middleweight from a call-out by what's his name. :) Sure wtv you say

Who is this Canelo you speak of ??? Is he big or small ??? Your standards really matter here ;) I believe you've already answered your own question when you asked who do we think is the king of the middleweight from a call-out by what's his name. :)

all good... glad you finally acknowledge canelo as the king in the middleweight division. Who is this Canelo you speak of ??? Is he big or small ??? Your standards really matter here ;)

Sure :rolleyes: all good... glad you finally acknowledge canelo as the king in the middleweight division.

mak, you doing it again. READ before pulling the trigger. Sure :rolleyes:

Bud categorically can be no1, because it's opinion. But unlikely that there are guys who aren't considered higher. Id say usyk and inoue higher. But bud alongside bivo l and nelo for sure and has a case for being higher than either

Ice I swear I'm not personally on your helmet, I just enjoy a discussion & so purely in the spirit of that, here's a quote from The Greatest himself (an actual boxer, I'm sure we can agree): "“pound-for-pound, when they say Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest fighter pound-for-pound, meaning that if I imagine he was a heavyweight fighting the same style he'd be the greatest, I would have to admit" "I'd say I'm the greatest heavyweight of all times but pound-for-pound, I still say Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest of all times" - Muhammad Ali The video containing both of these quotes is here https://x.com/BoxingHistory/status/1564070227012628480 no offense taken... i am just explaining to you, that my comment is of a pro boxer's point of view... Inoue is too small for these bigger guys to come out and and admit that he's the #1p4p.... I feel like WW is the cutting point... anything below WW will not really get the recognition for it. so it will be ok for guys like Ali saying sugar ray is the best #1 p4p because sugar ray aint a small guy so it wont look bad on Ali to say sugar ray is the best. just like in the NBA, lots of great players from the past, will not crown someone like curry or Iverson as the best player, etc.. because those players are too small.

in the eyes of boxing fans... BUT, if you are an actual boxer, one who is consider a top level boxer, YOU are NOT going to crown some 120lbs fighter as the best p4p#1. I am speaking on a top pro boxer's point of view, see thread title. Ice I swear I'm not personally on your helmet, I just enjoy a discussion & so purely in the spirit of that, here's a quote from The Greatest himself (an actual boxer, I'm sure we can agree): "“pound-for-pound, when they say Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest fighter pound-for-pound, meaning that if I imagine he was a heavyweight fighting the same style he'd be the greatest, I would have to admit" "I'd say I'm the greatest heavyweight of all times but pound-for-pound, I still say Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest of all times" - Muhammad Ali The video containing both of these quotes is here https://x.com/BoxingHistory/status/1564070227012628480

To small lmfao Yup to small smfh :pat: mak, you doing it again. READ before pulling the trigger.

There is no such thing as being too small to be #1 p4p. Pound for pound means: Who's the best if you broke every fighter in all the weight classes down into 1lb pieces & then matched an equal number of those 1lb pieces against each other. in the eyes of boxing fans... BUT, if you are an actual boxer, one who is consider a top level boxer, YOU are NOT going to crown some 120lbs fighter as the best p4p#1. I am speaking on a top pro boxer's point of view, see thread title.

There is no such thing as being too small to be #1 p4p. Pound for pound means: Who's the best if you broke every fighter in all the weight classes down into 1lb pieces & then matched an equal number of those 1lb pieces against each other. To small lmfao Yup to small smfh :pat:

Inoue is way too small to say he's the best p4p There is no such thing as being too small to be #1 p4p. Pound for pound means: Who's the best if you broke every fighter in all the weight classes down into 1lb pieces & then matched an equal number of those 1lb pieces against each other.

A person can say all they want but do the facts support it Ans - Nope

No, you just dont know much of the lighter divisions. Narvaez, Fulton, Nery, Donaire, Rodriguez, Tapales are his key wins Donaire only lost when he fought 2 wgt classes heavier guys. He was dominant at 118. Monster was also fighting these guys while moving up, and demolished everyone. If you want to talk about so called shot fighters, what about Spence? Brook is the definition of a shot fighter. Porter was on the brink of retirement. Please, when has TC ever fought a top guy in his prime? maybe Madrimov. But he barely squeaked by… Ok fair but with the greatest of respect genuinely I could almost guarantee you couldn't even name me two fighters that Narvaez has beaten without looking it up. He was literally 40 when Inoue beat him. Narvaez was just a weak belt holder who has an extremely padded record filled with nobodies. He spent virtually all his career hiding out in Argentina making defences of a paper title against God only knows who. 118 was so dead it allowed a totally shot, nearly 40 yr old Donaire to have a little success against a bunch of cans. He was approaching 40, not his best weight and he beat nobody there of any note unless we're pretending Ouabali, Ryan Burnett are anything more they was. There are way too many titles being passed around like nobodies business in these lower weights. I think Inoue is an excellent little fighter but these divisions are dead (not his fault) and we're being forced to buy into false narratives like these opponents are so great when really we need to be honest like we was when say Wladimir Klitschko went on his bum of the month tour and just enjoy it and hope some competition establishes itself from somewhere rather than creating false narratives that not so good fighters are a whole heap better than they are or are world beaters. It pains me to say it the sport is in a terrible place. Sorry for the essay but we had this also with Golovkin and fans acting like Willie Monroe was some super slick, skilled boxer and Curtis Stevens and the likes was great opponents like come on now, its madness. Donaire, Nery, Fulton are his best wins for me and none are great. I wholeheartedly agree that most of Buds opposition was well past it or not very good to begin with, I've been saying this for years and called a hater and all sorts. All his wins have aged like milk. I think its a shame because Bud has actually wasted his career as far as I am concerned by being an opportunist cherrypicker when there has been plenty of legit competition available. He could easily have fought Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman, Boots, Stanionis, Vergil Ortiz and countless others. Maybe he could have beat them also but he just made a career out of biding his time and waiting for a weak link to appear and took the path of least resistance.

Apart from Floyd Mayweather Junior 'All of those active fighters, don't really have the character to proclaim themselves as the best pound for pound fighters in the World. Only Floyd Mayweather Junior and possibly Terrence Crawford in my opinion, are certain and audacious enough to claim that they are the best pound for pound fighters in the World'. Okeksandr Uysk, Dmitry Bivol and Artur Beterbiev 'Are innately more reversed characters. You could easily anticipate what those type of fighters responses would be, when asked any questions about comparing themselves to current active and past great fighters'. Note: I personally rate Oleksandr Uysk as the pound for pound best fighter in the world 'And he has achieved this rating, due to his two wins over Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury. Which I regard as the greatest pound for pound wins in the sport of the past 15 years. Oleksandr Uysk is also the most accomplished active fighter in the sport, he has achieved the pinnacle at all levels of the sport. Olympic Champion, and two times Undisputed Champion in the Cruiserweight and Heavyweight Division's'. Skill for skill there is definitively a debate, that Terrence Crawford has the potential to be the best pound for pound fighter in the world 'But quite simply his resume, does not have the feats of achievement, or high level wins to unequivocally prove that he is the best fighter in the World. Terrence Crawford only really has one great win on his entire resume, and that is against Errol Spence Junior. Outside of that win? Crawford has fought many regular contenders, or fighters in the latter parts of their career like Shawn Porter or Kelly Brook'. Note: Joe Calzaghe has a superior resume, and greater individual wins than Terrence Crawford 'And many people within the boxing community, attempt to mock Calzaghe's resume. Joe Calzaghe beat 10 Former World Champions during his career. Wins against Chris Eubank Senior, and Mikkel Kessler are better individual wins than any victory on Terrence Crawford's resume'. To conclude: Overall skill for skill in terms of pure technique and game 'Terrence Crawford has had the potential to be the best pound for pound fighter in the World. But he has not achieved the feats to unequivocally prove his game to a very high level. Oleksandr Uysk has fought at a higher level, and beaten better fighters than Terrence Crawford on his resume' etc.

His best win is a totally shot, ancient Nonito Donaire who was frankly horribly overrated even at his best. These divisions are dead, so dead you have countless domestic level opposition posing at world level and becoming belt holders and passing them about. Straps in the lower weights no longer mean anything, they'll be giving them as participation trophies next. Beterbiev & Canelo, either >his entire resume. Zurdo is also a better win, by far. He has literally 3 wins that are way better than anything Inoue has, his best win (Inoues) is about on par with an old Pascal. Upon further thinking I'd actually retract putting Inoue ahead of Crawford, his resume isn't there, even less so than Buds. Like genuinely even past it Brook, Porter etc are flat out better than Doheny, Butler, Tapales, Dipaen and the rest like much better. I know you'll post all these names with rankings and stuff but someone has to be rated in these ghost town divisions, the reality is Inoue has like 2-3 solid wins and a whole lot of fluff people want to just pretend are something to write home about. He has no real stand out win. Fans can say Donaire but he was done years and years prior and even when fresher was comfortably getting handled by the likes of Frampton, Magdaleno, etc who received zero credit. Forward on maybe 5 years? Fans want to act like its a great win for Inoue. Finally somebody with common sense. Bivol with wins over Canelo, Ramirez and Beterbuev is n.2 at worst.