Cotto was not good at 154

You quite literally referred to them as "facts" you dumb cunt :lol1: Or are you such a sad, fat basement dweller that you just forget the shit that you write when I spank your little botty on this topic none stop but you then proceed to just do it, again, and again, and again? Do you not remember claiming it was a "fact" that Stephen Fulton has "the same level" resume as Erroll Spence based on the "fact" that they have the exact same amount of ranked wins? :lol1: No context needed there, just "factz". Even when I literally said context needs to be used no no no you pushed back and ran to your beloved "factz" aka rankings Or how about when you had your man crush on Rigondeaux for a short while and claiming it was a "fact" that Rigondeaux has an "elite win" over RICO RAMOS on the "factual basis" he was ranked #2 despite the fact he had, and has beat no one and is straight up GARBAGE. But no of course that was an ELITE WIN :lol1: But Miguel Cotto ranked #1? Crap. Context is now required! Now you move every possible goalpost that exists to justify why it is no longer a fact. Have the actual audacity to say "When did I ever say I agree with the rankings 100 percent?" Are you for real mate???? That's what you do CONSTANTLY :lol1: Just the other day you were praising Bam's "great win" over Rungvisai ON THE SOLE BASIS he was "ranked #1" despite the fact that Rungvisai hadn't beaten a ranked fighter in FOUR YEARS and never has since; "Ranked #1 SO GREAT WIN FACT!" The rest of your walls of text are nothing more than desperately moving the goalposts in an attempt to justify claiming someone who was ranked #1 as "crap" at that time despite the fact that you cite them as gospel when it's a fighter you're infatuated with. Not going to wash here little buddy, sorry. This is ether.

i said almost the same credit. mosley being 5 for pac and 2 for floyd is slightly better for floyd. it was only a year later so mosley was slightly better or i should say slightly less shot when floyd fought him. i already stipulated that. do you think that was a huge difference? he looked ball-s in both fights anyway. dont see much difference. beating the #2 guy is a good solid win and mosley earned that spot for sure. the reason floyd is derided is because of his cherry picking, its not that his resume is bad, its just clear he was picking and choosing who and when to fight which is why his greatness status takes a huge hit. floyd spent 10 years at welterweight and he had the most power and influence in boxing and yet he fought the #1 contender twice and that was when it was 35 year old baldomir and 36 year old pac. why these 2 when he had all that prime competition? for 7 of those 10 years prime pac, prime cotto, and prime marg were the #1 contender. never fought them. floyd still compiled a good resume if you want to try to take all bias out of everything thats true, its not like hes wilder or tank or something, far from it, but if you are ranking the all time greats, hes definitely not on their level given his lack of great wins and his blatant cherry picking. when did i ever say i agree with the rankings 100 percent? i have always said they are a baseline to use, if you want to go more in depth in particular rankings you can and should. thats why often you will see my saying things like "he beat 2 top 5 guys" etc...in cotto's case he beat 0 top 5 guys and 1 top 10 guy. i would be hard pressed to ever agree that a guy with that slim of a resume should be #1. its possible the division was super dead or super in flux and they simply put cotto there as a placeholder, but he definitely didnt earn it in the ring with quality wins. i would have to go more in depth to see every other contender and who they beat to compare it to cotto, but im sure i would find many more accomplished fighters at 154 during that period. i think the rankings just got that one wrong, just like you have that option if i use rankings and you disagree, and yes its a bit hyperbolic to say he was crap, he was probably a top 5 deserving fighter, but i think he was crap compared to his level at 140 and 147 and history proved that to be true. he was the "crap" version of cotto hence why floyd fought him You quite literally referred to them as "facts" you dumb cunt :lol1: Or are you such a sad, fat basement dweller that you just forget the shit that you write when I spank your little botty on this topic none stop but you then proceed to just do it, again, and again, and again? Do you not remember claiming it was a "fact" that Stephen Fulton has "the same level" resume as Erroll Spence based on the "fact" that they have the exact same amount of ranked wins? :lol1: No context needed there, just "factz". Even when I literally said context needs to be used no no no you pushed back and ran to your beloved "factz" aka rankings Or how about when you had your man crush on Rigondeaux for a short while and claiming it was a "fact" that Rigondeaux has an "elite win" over RICO RAMOS on the "factual basis" he was ranked #2 despite the fact he had, and has beat no one and is straight up GARBAGE. But no of course that was an ELITE WIN :lol1: But Miguel Cotto ranked #1? Crap. Context is now required! Now you move every possible goalpost that exists to justify why it is no longer a fact. Have the actual audacity to say "When did I ever say I agree with the rankings 100 percent?" Are you for real mate???? That's what you do CONSTANTLY :lol1: Just the other day you were praising Bam's "great win" over Rungvisai ON THE SOLE BASIS he was "ranked #1" despite the fact that Rungvisai hadn't beaten a ranked fighter in FOUR YEARS and never has since; "Ranked #1 SO GREAT WIN FACT!" The rest of your walls of text are nothing more than desperately moving the goalposts in an attempt to justify claiming someone who was ranked #1 as "crap" at that time despite the fact that you cite them as gospel when it's a fighter you're infatuated with. Not going to wash here little buddy, sorry.

Well not really because Shane was #2 at WW, #3 P4P and Champion when Floyd fought him and #5 at WW, unranked P4P and not a champion when Pacquaio fought him so going by what you deem as âfactsâ then you canât say they get the same credit, can you? Also you canât deem Cotto crap at 154 because he was ranked #1 and a belt holder so that would make him âfactuallyâ not crap according to your âfactsâ Or is this one of those times where you pick and choose what a âfactâ is when it suits you? Donât worry about answering that question by the way, itâs rhetorical. i said almost the same credit. mosley being 5 for pac and 2 for floyd is slightly better for floyd. it was only a year later so mosley was slightly better or i should say slightly less shot when floyd fought him. i already stipulated that. do you think that was a huge difference? he looked ball-s in both fights anyway. dont see much difference. beating the #2 guy is a good solid win and mosley earned that spot for sure. the reason floyd is derided is because of his cherry picking, its not that his resume is bad, its just clear he was picking and choosing who and when to fight which is why his greatness status takes a huge hit. floyd spent 10 years at welterweight and he had the most power and influence in boxing and yet he fought the #1 contender twice and that was when it was 35 year old baldomir and 36 year old pac. why these 2 when he had all that prime competition? for 7 of those 10 years prime pac, prime cotto, and prime marg were the #1 contender. never fought them. floyd still compiled a good resume if you want to try to take all bias out of everything thats true, its not like hes wilder or tank or something, far from it, but if you are ranking the all time greats, hes definitely not on their level given his lack of great wins and his blatant cherry picking. when did i ever say i agree with the rankings 100 percent? i have always said they are a baseline to use, if you want to go more in depth in particular rankings you can and should. thats why often you will see my saying things like "he beat 2 top 5 guys" etc...in cotto's case he beat 0 top 5 guys and 1 top 10 guy. i would be hard pressed to ever agree that a guy with that slim of a resume should be #1. its possible the division was super dead or super in flux and they simply put cotto there as a placeholder, but he definitely didnt earn it in the ring with quality wins. i would have to go more in depth to see every other contender and who they beat to compare it to cotto, but im sure i would find many more accomplished fighters at 154 during that period. i think the rankings just got that one wrong, just like you have that option if i use rankings and you disagree, and yes its a bit hyperbolic to say he was crap, he was probably a top 5 deserving fighter, but i think he was crap compared to his level at 140 and 147 and history proved that to be true. he was the "crap" version of cotto hence why floyd fought him

hatton was crap at 147 you cant be serious. cotto was crap at 154 you cant be serious. hoya for sure but hoya wasnt very good so big whoop. and mosley for sure but we found out mosley was shot to pieces and pac beat him easily the very next year so almost the same credit should go to pac unless you think mosley got old overnight lol, he was already old. margarito was half blind in that fight and clearly done as a fighter, and they stopped the fight when cotto was starting to get bothered by marg. you cant be serious...part 3. Well not really because Shane was #2 at WW, #3 P4P and Champion when Floyd fought him and #5 at WW, unranked P4P and not a champion when Pacquaio fought him so going by what you deem as “facts” then you can’t say they get the same credit, can you? Also you can’t deem Cotto crap at 154 because he was ranked #1 and a belt holder so that would make him “factually” not crap according to your “facts” Or is this one of those times where you pick and choose what a “fact” is when it suits you? Don’t worry about answering that question by the way, it’s rhetorical.

The version of Miguel Cotto who Floyd Mayweather Junior fought 'Was a more in form, and comfortable fighter at 154 pounds than the version of Cotto that Manny Pacquiao fought. Cotto had just avenged a traumatic loss to Antonio Margarito prior to fighting Mayweather'. So of course? I think Miguel Cotto at his absolute peak was at 147 pounds 'Before he was brutally smashed up by Antonio Margarito. In all of his fights after this point in his career, Cotto when he was embroiled in a tough fight always appeared to still be suffering from trauma. Whenever he would began to sustain heavy damage in a fight, Cotto seemed shook, but to his credit he would battle on through those turbulent times'. Before Miguel Cotto was beaten by Antonio Margarito I, he always appeared very cold and android like inside the boxing ring 'Even in his fight vs Zab Judah, were he sustained a gruesome cut. Cotto like a locomotive train, just kept on systematically applying his pressure and game. For me personally I rate Miguel Cotto's victory over Zab Judah and Shane Mosley as his peak best performances'. Note: The narrative or perception that Miguel Cotto was a great fighter at 154 pounds 'I think is due to him, avenging his loss to Antonio Margarito II in that weight class. To avenge a damaging and traumatic loss, is in my opinion? One of the toughest challenges any fighter can achieve inside the boxing ring. When Cotto achieved such a feat, he in part had completed the process of rebuilding himself from his first brutal loss to Antonio Margarito'. If Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao would have fought each other at this point in boxing history 'I think Cotto could have potentially beaten Pacquiao. The timing would have been more optimal for Miguel Cotto. The fight most likely would have been at 154 pounds, with no catch weight or rehydration clause'. Manny Pacquiao's win over Miguel Cotto was awesome 'But the catch weight, was completely unnecessary. And it had a negative effect on Miguel Cotto's performances, especially in the area of durability in my opinion. At elite level, even if a fighter's game is decreased by 5% this is going have a potential dramatic negative effect on the action produced'. To conclude: When Miguel Cotto and Floyd Mayweather Junior fought each other in 2012 'In reality that was the mega fight of that boxing era. It was a more significant fight than Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather Junior, because both fighters while not at their absolute peak? They were still in solid form'. By the time Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather Junior fought 'Mayweather was miles outside of his peak. This was apparent by his recent performances vs Marcos Maidana I & II. Even in his fight against Canelo Alvarez, Mayweather seemingly was reluctant to really pressure Alvarez and push for the stoppage. Floyd Mayweather Junior's performance vs Canelo Alvarez was his last great performance, but? In my opinion better versions of Mayweather would have been able to force the stoppage vs Canelo Alvarez' Floyd Mayweather Junior beat both superior versions of Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton and Shane Mosley than Manny Pacquiao'. Miguel Cotto was not at his absolute peak at 154 pounds 'But regardless, he had achieved one of his best wins at 154 pounds vs Antonio Magarito II. Cotto as a competitor at that stage of his career, would have acquire masses of experience that he could now utilize whether that be during training camp or on fight night' etc. hatton was crap at 147 you cant be serious. cotto was crap at 154 you cant be serious. hoya for sure but hoya wasnt very good so big whoop. and mosley for sure but we found out mosley was shot to pieces and pac beat him easily the very next year so almost the same credit should go to pac unless you think mosley got old overnight lol, he was already old. margarito was half blind in that fight and clearly done as a fighter, and they stopped the fight when cotto was starting to get bothered by marg. you cant be serious...part 3.

Cotto matched up well physically and stylistically with Floyd to make him work hard to win every round in a wide decision for Floyd. He lost comfortably against Trout who was a staple at 154 during that era and held his own against Canelo to not get beaten down He was fortunate Yuri Foreman's leg got blown out during their fight, after coming off a close fight with Joshua Clottey Martinez couldn't do any roadwork and did limited sparring in training because of his knee, he was a cripple who fell after eating the first well timed hook of the fight. Cotto was a household name and was the biggest draw after Mayweather and Pacquiao, he did very well to capitalise off his name value in the tail end of HBO because his career at 154 and over was underwhelming to put it politely and this is coming from someone who was a fan in his 140 days. trout was only a staple because he beat cotto. he hung around losing to everyone for awhile but he was 1-5 against top 10 level opponents with the 1 win being cotto. that should tell you how good cotto was at 154, which is not very.

The version of Miguel Cotto who Floyd Mayweather Junior fought 'Was a more in form, and comfortable fighter at 154 pounds than the version of Cotto that Manny Pacquiao fought. No excuse Floyd had the opportunity to fight prime undefeated Cotto before Margarito. Cotto and Margarito called Floyd out. Floyd fake retired to duck both those guys so they fought each other, Cotto lost then said he was good to go vs Manny and lost. He was still in his prime. This is what guys in the division supposed to do fight each other when they are prime so its no excuses. Floyd don't get much credit for a points decision over a shopworn Cotto he let those guys beat each other up, then he makes the fight against a shopworn fighter and says tbe. Not happening. Why ppl seem to think Floyd fighting a shopworn Cotto at jmw was some big accomplishment.

The version of Miguel Cotto who Floyd Mayweather Junior fought 'Was a more in form, and comfortable fighter at 154 pounds than the version of Cotto that Manny Pacquiao fought. Cotto had just avenged a traumatic loss to Antonio Margarito prior to fighting Mayweather'. So of course? I think Miguel Cotto at his absolute peak was at 147 pounds 'Before he was brutally smashed up by Antonio Margarito. In all of his fights after this point in his career, Cotto when he was embroiled in a tough fight always appeared to still be suffering from trauma. Whenever he would began to sustain heavy damage in a fight, Cotto seemed shook, but to his credit he would battle on through those turbulent times'. Before Miguel Cotto was beaten by Antonio Margarito I, he always appeared very cold and android like inside the boxing ring 'Even in his fight vs Zab Judah, were he sustained a gruesome cut. Cotto like a locomotive train, just kept on systematically applying his pressure and game. For me personally I rate Miguel Cotto's victory over Zab Judah and Shane Mosley as his peak best performances'. Note: The narrative or perception that Miguel Cotto was a great fighter at 154 pounds 'I think is due to him, avenging his loss to Antonio Margarito II in that weight class. To avenge a damaging and traumatic loss, is in my opinion? One of the toughest challenges any fighter can achieve inside the boxing ring. When Cotto achieved such a feat, he in part had completed the process of rebuilding himself from his first brutal loss to Antonio Margarito'. If Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao would have fought each other at this point in boxing history 'I think Cotto could have potentially beaten Pacquiao. The timing would have been more optimal for Miguel Cotto. The fight most likely would have been at 154 pounds, with no catch weight or rehydration clause'. Manny Pacquiao's win over Miguel Cotto was awesome 'But the catch weight, was completely unnecessary. And it had a negative effect on Miguel Cotto's performances, especially in the area of durability in my opinion. At elite level, even if a fighter's game is decreased by 5% this is going have a potential dramatic negative effect on the action produced'. To conclude: When Miguel Cotto and Floyd Mayweather Junior fought each other in 2012 'In reality that was the mega fight of that boxing era. It was a more significant fight than Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather Junior, because both fighters while not at their absolute peak? They were still in solid form'. By the time Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather Junior fought 'Mayweather was miles outside of his peak. This was apparent by his recent performances vs Marcos Maidana I & II. Even in his fight against Canelo Alvarez, Mayweather seemingly was reluctant to really pressure Alvarez and push for the stoppage. Floyd Mayweather Junior's performance vs Canelo Alvarez was his last great performance, but? In my opinion better versions of Mayweather would have been able to force the stoppage vs Canelo Alvarez' Floyd Mayweather Junior beat both superior versions of Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton and Shane Mosley than Manny Pacquiao'. Miguel Cotto was not at his absolute peak at 154 pounds 'But regardless, he had achieved one of his best wins at 154 pounds vs Antonio Magarito II. Cotto as a competitor at that stage of his career, would have acquire masses of experience that he could now utilize whether that be during training camp or on fight night' etc. Congratulations on having one of the most brain dead, moronic takes I’ve ever read.

The version of Miguel Cotto who Floyd Mayweather Junior fought 'Was a more in form, and comfortable fighter at 154 pounds than the version of Cotto that Manny Pacquiao fought. Cotto had just avenged a traumatic loss to Antonio Margarito prior to fighting Mayweather'. So of course? I think Miguel Cotto at his absolute peak was at 147 pounds 'Before he was brutally smashed up by Antonio Margarito. In all of his fights after this point in his career, Cotto when he was embroiled in a tough fight always appeared to still be suffering from trauma. Whenever he would began to sustain heavy damage in a fight, Cotto seemed shook, but to his credit he would battle on through those turbulent times'. Before Miguel Cotto was beaten by Antonio Margarito I, he always appeared very cold and android like inside the boxing ring 'Even in his fight vs Zab Judah, were he sustained a gruesome cut. Cotto like a locomotive train, just kept on systematically applying his pressure and game. For me personally I rate Miguel Cotto's victory over Zab Judah and Shane Mosley as his peak best performances'. Note: The narrative or perception that Miguel Cotto was a great fighter at 154 pounds 'I think is due to him, avenging his loss to Antonio Margarito II in that weight class. To avenge a damaging and traumatic loss, is in my opinion? One of the toughest challenges any fighter can achieve inside the boxing ring. When Cotto achieved such a feat, he in part had completed the process of rebuilding himself from his first brutal loss to Antonio Margarito'. If Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao would have fought each other at this point in boxing history 'I think Cotto could have potentially beaten Pacquiao. The timing would have been more optimal for Miguel Cotto. The fight most likely would have been at 154 pounds, with no catch weight or rehydration clause'. Manny Pacquiao's win over Miguel Cotto was awesome 'But the catch weight, was completely unnecessary. And it had a negative effect on Miguel Cotto's performances, especially in the area of durability in my opinion. At elite level, even if a fighter's game is decreased by 5% this is going have a potential dramatic negative effect on the action produced'. To conclude: When Miguel Cotto and Floyd Mayweather Junior fought each other in 2012 'In reality that was the mega fight of that boxing era. It was a more significant fight than Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather Junior, because both fighters while not at their absolute peak? They were still in solid form'. By the time Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather Junior fought 'Mayweather was miles outside of his peak. This was apparent by his recent performances vs Marcos Maidana I & II. Even in his fight against Canelo Alvarez, Mayweather seemingly was reluctant to really pressure Alvarez and push for the stoppage. Floyd Mayweather Junior's performance vs Canelo Alvarez was his last great performance, but? In my opinion better versions of Mayweather would have been able to force the stoppage vs Canelo Alvarez' Floyd Mayweather Junior beat both superior versions of Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton and Shane Mosley than Manny Pacquiao'. Miguel Cotto was not at his absolute peak at 154 pounds 'But regardless, he had achieved one of his best wins at 154 pounds vs Antonio Magarito II. Cotto as a competitor at that stage of his career, would have acquire masses of experience that he could now utilize whether that be during training camp or on fight night' etc.

This is were we can really see the flaw in the logic of looking at a slice of a career and making big judgements. If we look at Cotto carefully and assume your post has some truth... Then one must ask: What is a better gauge of ability? winning fights against some tough fighters who all had foibles? Or losing close, tight fights to two great fighters at 154? Edit: I should qualify: I meant "two competative fights." Cotto matched up well physically and stylistically with Floyd to make him work hard to win every round in a wide decision for Floyd. He lost comfortably against Trout who was a staple at 154 during that era and held his own against Canelo to not get beaten down He was fortunate Yuri Foreman's leg got blown out during their fight, after coming off a close fight with Joshua Clottey Martinez couldn't do any roadwork and did limited sparring in training because of his knee, he was a cripple who fell after eating the first well timed hook of the fight. Cotto was a household name and was the biggest draw after Mayweather and Pacquiao, he did very well to capitalise off his name value in the tail end of HBO because his career at 154 and over was underwhelming to put it politely and this is coming from someone who was a fan in his 140 days.

Fishnets hadn’t fought at 147 in 8 years. He looked drained. . Why your boy Floyd didn’t let him use his illegal iv connections

You’re lying. Manny fans claim canelo was drained at 152 and Manny was shopworn because of the JMM ko loss. Applying that logic equally and fairly, Cotto at 145 was drained and Hatton was shopworn because he got ktfo by Floyd before Manny beat him. This would mean Manny doesn’t get credit for Hatton unless you guys give Floyd full credit for beating Manny. You guys are incredibly biased and inconsistent. this is your post.. the bolded, i proved you wrong, i posted what cotto said after the fight. ok, so manny doesnt get the full credit for beating hatton even tho it was a tko from floyd, like i mentioned, i never view hatton as a top fighter so this means nothing to me LOL..... and since we going with this logic, that means floyd gets zero credit for beating a washed manny because he's been ko'd more than once... and you said manny was floyd's best win, LOL!!! i didnt know you viewed manny that high LOL.

As I said, when we discuss Manny’s resume I bring them up. Resume is wins and losses right? What is your issue with bringing up his losses when discussing his resume? Please be specific. Why can’t you ever discuss the point made? I haven’t posted he was prime in 2015 so don’t lie or over exaggerate. I said he wasn’t as shot as you and other Manny fans like to pretend. more lies from you... i am not going to keep going off topic with you. the discussion here was you claiming that cotto was drained. i provided proof that cotto wasnt drained. then you went on to compared manny's ko from marquez to hatton from floyd's tko. i proved you wrong again here. i then reminded you that manny has been ko more than once. so by 2015, manny been washed.

Classic Quote: Cotto Calls Out Floyd 2008 Posted byStaff02/02/20103 A lot of ring observers do not know that Miguel Cotto was eager to put his then-undefeated record up against Floyd Mayweather in a Welterweight unification clash of the unbeatens in 2008 however the greatest ducker of all time wasn’t up for that challenge. Mayweather and his team claimed to the media Cotto wasn’t a big enough name and he didn’t draw big enough pay-per-view numbers to deserve a fight with Mayweather when it was prime time in 2008. But here is a quote from the normally respectful Miguel Cotto that questions the bravery of Floyd and clearly shows he meant business and wanted to put his fists on the pound-for-pound pretender. “When you call yourself the best boxer in the world you have to fight with the best. There are other names at 147 pounds and if Mayweather does not have the courage to get in the ring to fight with me, my career has to continue. I won’t wait for him.” –Miguel Cotto 2008 Place your excuses here: ____________________ ​ lol. Who is staff?

lies!!! when dissing manny, you would bring those L's up to discredit pac... now you have a different agenda here and is trying to act like pac was primein 2015... and im surprised you think pac was floyd's best win. that version of pac? LOL... As I said, when we discuss Manny’s resume I bring them up. Resume is wins and losses right? What is your issue with bringing up his losses when discussing his resume? Please be specific. Why can’t you ever discuss the point made? I haven’t posted he was prime in 2015 so don’t lie or over exaggerate. I said he wasn’t as shot as you and other Manny fans like to pretend.

https://www.boxing247.com/weblog/archives/136425 By Michael Collins: While it seems that Top Rank promoter Bob Arum isn’t too excited about matching his fighter WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao up with Floyd Mayweather Jr. in May, Arum also doesn’t appear to want Mayweather fighting one of his guys WBA junior middleweight champion Miguel Cotto. Arum told the Manila Standard “They are not going to get him “ Also don’t forget they did the Floyd v Brussels fight- Brussels trained by Cotto’s dad who also trained Cotto. Brussels and Cotto had a similar style. Floyd demolished Henry and TR went in a different direction. Classic Quote: Cotto Calls Out Floyd 2008 Posted byStaff02/02/20103 A lot of ring observers do not know that Miguel Cotto was eager to put his then-undefeated record up against Floyd Mayweather in a Welterweight unification clash of the unbeatens in 2008 however the greatest ducker of all time wasn’t up for that challenge. Mayweather and his team claimed to the media Cotto wasn’t a big enough name and he didn’t draw big enough pay-per-view numbers to deserve a fight with Mayweather when it was prime time in 2008. But here is a quote from the normally respectful Miguel Cotto that questions the bravery of Floyd and clearly shows he meant business and wanted to put his fists on the pound-for-pound pretender. “When you call yourself the best boxer in the world you have to fight with the best. There are other names at 147 pounds and if Mayweather does not have the courage to get in the ring to fight with me, my career has to continue. I won’t wait for him.” –Miguel Cotto 2008 Place your excuses here: ____________________ ​

When have I ever brought them up? I have consistently said Manny was the best opponent Floyd fought. When we discuss Manny’s resume, yes I mention his wins and losses. Those are facts. That is what a resume is comprised of. What issue do you have with that? Sorry you’re trying too hard. I have consistently argued Manny wasn’t as shot as his fans like to pretend just because he lost by such a wide margin to Floyd. lies!!! when dissing manny, you would bring those L's up to discredit pac... now you have a different agenda here and is trying to act like pac was primein 2015... and im surprised you think pac was floyd's best win. that version of pac? LOL...

funny that you are trying to hype manny up to fit your agenda.... why are you not bringing up all those L's from manny? that unknown thai guy you always bring up to try and clown manny. remember you said pac got put down by some unknown thai fighter... LOL!! so going by your logic, pac should be washed to shiiet by 2015!!! you cant have it both ways. When have I ever brought them up? I have consistently said Manny was the best opponent Floyd fought. When we discuss Manny’s resume, yes I mention his wins and losses. Those are facts. That is what a resume is comprised of. What issue do you have with that? Sorry you’re trying too hard. I have consistently argued Manny wasn’t as shot as his fans like to pretend just because he lost by such a wide margin to Floyd.

No I do t think he was in any way. The Thurman performance shows this. He just lost to a better boxer and his fans that desperately wanted him to win have to make excuses because he got beat by a wide margin. I also point this out because guys like you don’t hold him accountable for avoiding the fight, only to say if the fight was earlier he’d have had a better chance to win. like this thread. The TS claims Cotto was no good but he was tanked #1 at 154 when Floyd beat him. The same TS uses ranking when defending the resumes of Eastern European boxers. I am just trying to get you guys to be consistent. funny that you are trying to hype manny up to fit your agenda.... why are you not bringing up all those L's from manny? that unknown thai guy you always bring up to try and clown manny. remember you said pac got put down by some unknown thai fighter... LOL!! so going by your logic, pac should be washed to shiiet by 2015!!! you cant have it both ways.

pac needed salt. hatton didnt. BIG difference. not even close. also that was not pac's first KO. so manny's been slept before. so pac should be washed to shiiet by 2015 according to your logic? No I do t think he was in any way. The Thurman performance shows this. He just lost to a better boxer and his fans that desperately wanted him to win have to make excuses because he got beat by a wide margin. I also point this out because guys like you don’t hold him accountable for avoiding the fight, only to say if the fight was earlier he’d have had a better chance to win. like this thread. The TS claims Cotto was no good but he was ranked #1 at 154 when Floyd beat him. The same TS uses ranking when defending the resumes of Eastern European boxers. I am just trying to get you guys to be consistent.