Chris John's funny little career

when did i ever say these things mister straw man? joshua is better because he has a much better resume, not because he lost to usyk or others. dont make straw mans please. you are just arguing against yourself not me. and you think wilder and joshua have the same resume and you dont realize how silly that makes you look? :lol1:. Better resume with better losses? Did Joshua beat one of the top 3? He went life and death with an older Klitchko that Fury beat convincingly, Usyk was much more impressed with Fury as well. So what are we left with? Joshua beat more typical opponents, big deal. This does not mean that Joshua does not have a better resume but it diminishes the importance of this resume considerably. It becomes almost irrelevant. What we are left with is Joshua beating a few more decent fighters like Chisora, from the same pool of fighters, and subjective rankings that have no real direct cause and effect relationship with ability... And little else! Not such a strawman after all! BTW here is a great example. Joshua beat an MMA star that almost beat Fury... What does that tell us? think about it carefully before answering.

yeah fraud is definitely a top 10 word and im claiming ownership of it! you do realize this is just my opinion right? i think marquez clearly beat john. i look at the rest of johns resume and see almost nothing respectable. a guy who holds a world title for 10 years with almost nothing of substance on his resume is fraudulent. wilder was as well. what is the real data? title defenses? yeah he had a lot. against who? according to you they must be good if they are in title fights. circular logic at work. this is how wilder got you! get out its a trap You voice your opinion in a very derisive manner. It tends to make you look foolish. For example, I thought marquez won as well, I also happen to be fond of marquez, I am a fan, but I would not call John a fraud. even your avatar, who comes close... is a guy who actually went into the ring and risked his health and being, hardly a fraud. People have a habit of neglecting scale when they wage opinions and it snowballs... I had an ugly encounter with a guy who likes to critisize others in the martial arts, my own particular baliwick. He gets this kid, a nice kid who fights professionally and he starts sort of demanding, Spanish Inquisition style, (I am exxagerating) that he consent that his father was a bad person, role model etc. The kid has more sense and in the interview qualifies but no, this idiot goes on and on... heres the thing Daggum: This "horrible father" coached his kid, took care of his kid, trained his kid... his horrible crime? He exxagerated,lied to his kid about being a fighting champion. The holier than though martial arts guy was all up on a righteous spree about misrepresenting one's art and achievements... Because after all he was a qualified Brazilian Brown Belt! Humph! My point was that the guy was an a-hole. He was taking a foible and exxagerating it misrepresenting the whole situation. Many fathers do not coach, train or invest any time or love in their kids. There is no "real data" there are different sources of data and different relationships that data points out. You need a totality of circumstances to make a judgement about a situation, usually from more than one data source.

And you are the Frank Bruno, vis a vis Joshuastan of posters! "Wah wah wah... joshua lost to the best! wah wah wah this means he is better than Wilder! wah wah Joshua beat stiffs that were ranked higher than the stiffs other fighters fought to get to the top!" You is a ful! when did i ever say these things mister straw man? joshua is better because he has a much better resume, not because he lost to usyk or others. dont make straw mans please. you are just arguing against yourself not me. and you think wilder and joshua have the same resume and you dont realize how silly that makes you look?

when was chris john inducted to hof? he did not. it said on google but yeah it could be wrong. i wouldnt vote him in but then again i wasted my vote on eric crumble

Your an ignorant lout. You take a word with great import "fraud" and use it like a little girl showing a shiny penny to everyone to illicit a "that is nice dear." It makes even the occasional logical information you provide wildly out of context. Chris John was not a fraud. Even in the Marquez fight, he was not outclassed, whether one thinks he won, or lost. And again, your whole contention is based on a house of cards, Ring rankings lol. There is not ranking system that can stand as absolute. You refuse to look at real data to make a pronouncement. Hence how you also mischaracterize Wilder. You make these little whiny threads constantly without realizing that real fans with understanding can easily let the sunlight out on your dank threads. yeah fraud is definitely a top 10 word and im claiming ownership of it! you do realize this is just my opinion right? i think marquez clearly beat john. i look at the rest of johns resume and see almost nothing respectable. a guy who holds a world title for 10 years with almost nothing of substance on his resume is fraudulent. wilder was as well. what is the real data? title defenses? yeah he had a lot. against who? according to you they must be good if they are in title fights. circular logic at work. this is how wilder got you! get out its a trap

when was chris john inducted to hof? he did not.

Wilder > Arrogant, fragile chinned Joshua. But sir... Joshua was beat by some of the very best! This means if he ever fought at the top, like against Usyk he would win! or... usyk would declare Sir Joshuastan the best he had faced... Hum? wonder why Usyk characterized Fury as his toughest fight? What does he know anyway? its not like he was in the ring.... oh wait a minute...

wilder was the chris john of heavyweight is essentially what im saying except wilder doesnt even have 1 gift win like john had, but he does have ortiz which is 1 of the greatest wins of all time because of ortiz' skills or something like that And you are the Frank Bruno, vis a vis Joshuastan of posters! "Wah wah wah... joshua lost to the best! wah wah wah this means he is better than Wilder! wah wah Joshua beat stiffs that were ranked higher than the stiffs other fighters fought to get to the top!" You is a ful!

Chris john had 16 title defenses of the wba belt(regular/super) and in those 16 fights he only beat 2 guys who were ranked in the top 10(ring) 1 of those wins was over juan manuel marquez. i personally had marquez winning this fight clearly. the other win was over Hiroyuki Enoki. he had another win over rocky juarez who was ranked in the top 10 in their 2nd fight but only because the judges in the first fight gave him a gift draw even though john clearly won so i personally dont count this since juarez's ranking was based on terrible judging. he lost to vetyka so he was essentially 1-2 in my mind against top 10 fighters. he then retired and was inducted into the hall of fame...really? i thought he was much better than this but he was basically a fraud who built his career off of robbing a great fighter, but before and after that he was wilder-esque in his opponent selection. what do you think of him? hall of fame worthy? Your an ignorant lout. You take a word with great import "fraud" and use it like a little girl showing a shiny penny to everyone to illicit a "that is nice dear." It makes even the occasional logical information you provide wildly out of context. Chris John was not a fraud. Even in the Marquez fight, he was not outclassed, whether one thinks he won, or lost. And again, your whole contention is based on a house of cards, Ring rankings lol. There is not ranking system that can stand as absolute. You refuse to look at real data to make a pronouncement. Hence how you also mischaracterize Wilder. You make these little whiny threads constantly without realizing that real fans with understanding can easily let the sunlight out on your dank threads.

Wilder > Arrogant, fragile chinned Joshua. wilder was the chris john of heavyweight is essentially what im saying except wilder doesnt even have 1 gift win like john had, but he does have ortiz which is 1 of the greatest wins of all time because of ortiz' skills or something like that

Wilder > Arrogant, fragile chinned Joshua.