Is losing so big of a deal in the US boxing scene?

Oh okay. I stand corrected bro. Green sent. All good

Haney is fighting Ramirez on a free card from Times Square I New York He's on the undercard of Garcia Just sayin’ Oh okay. I stand corrected bro. Green sent.

Haney is scared of losing now. He's still got no scheduled fight, while everyone else who fought around the same date as his last is on his 2nd fight since. Haney is fighting Ramirez on a free card from Times Square I New York He's on the undercard of Garcia Just sayin’

You have to mention Haney also. He can't even fight his mando Sandor Martin because the money is not enough according to him. Haney is scared of losing now. He's still got no scheduled fight, while everyone else who fought around the same date as his last is on his 2nd fight since.

Because Money

The worst part of this is having all of these so called "Gods of the sport and warriors" fighting the Skulls of the world. Close fight I’d say ; Scull is only +$3000 lmao

Yes , in North America it is all about conserving your 0 It has been that way since Floyd made it clear that was a no no Unfortunately it’s bullchit but boxers today seem to follow instead of leading The worst part of this is having all of these so called "Gods of the sport and warriors" fighting the Skulls of the world.

So are there any efforts to resuscitate the US's current abysmal boxing trend to bring it back to how it was before?

It shouldn't be a big deal. Top level boxers who have lost fights often grow in popularity through showing some vulnerability and having a chance to overcome some adversity. Rematches tend to do very well too. Lewis v Rahman wasn't a mega fight. No-one thought Rahman was a chance. The rematch was massive - we knew Rahman could hurt Lewis and everything was riding on the outcome. It leaves question marks if you lose and just stop. Think of Naseem Hamed's standing in the sport. But given that they already earn plenty of money then I can understand fighters not taking too many chances. An unfortunate outcome of them being paid very well at the top level.I was so proud of Fulton when he schooled Fig recently having had an ultra close fight with him before Fulton showed to the boxing world that you aren’t defined by a bad loss

It shouldn't be a big deal. Top level boxers who have lost fights often grow in popularity through showing some vulnerability and having a chance to overcome some adversity. Rematches tend to do very well too. Lewis v Rahman wasn't a mega fight. No-one thought Rahman was a chance. The rematch was massive - we knew Rahman could hurt Lewis and everything was riding on the outcome. It leaves question marks if you lose and just stop. Think of Naseem Hamed's standing in the sport. But given that they already earn plenty of money then I can understand fighters not taking too many chances. An unfortunate outcome of them being paid very well at the top level.

Seems no one is interested. No wonder the list of names in the sport is shrinking. What is shrinking is the shelf life of today's boxers. I mean these are not 40 yr olds we're talking about. These are young folks with only 1 and 2 loses.

Seems Delos Santos vs Frank Martin can only be made by Turki promotions as undercard in one of his events. I'm not seeing it in PBC's radar. Seems no one is interested. No wonder the list of names in the sport is shrinking.

Both had viral fights, if you call it that. Martin had Michel Rivera, the fight he gained some fans with. Seems Delos Santos vs Frank Martin can only be made by Turki promotions as undercard in one of his events. I'm not seeing it in PBC's radar.

Yeah, it's depressing. Fans should at least have a slice of press coverage about this, who is avoiding who, why no attempt of it getting made, who is ducking who, whether there was any offer made, nothing. No media coverage, nothing. It's as if Martin and Santos never existed. Santos' viral fight with Rayo as a last minute replacement just became a pigment of imagination. Nothing big came again for Santos except an offer from TR, a rival promoter. Both had viral fights, if you call it that. Martin had Michel Rivera, the fight he gained some fans with.

It is a very frustrating typical story in the American boxing scene, even when boxers are in the same side of the street. Why Martin vs De Los Santos can't be made despite they're being both available is beyond comprehension. Yeah, it's depressing. Fans should at least have a slice of press coverage about this, who is avoiding who, why no attempt of it getting made, who is ducking who, whether there was any offer made, nothing. No media coverage, nothing. It's as if Martin and Santos never existed. Santos' viral fight with Rayo as a last minute replacement just became a pigment of imagination. Nothing big came again for Santos except an offer from TR, a rival promoter.

Martin ducked Santos, according to EDLS himself. He was waiting for his next fight after his big win against Valenzuela, but no offer was coming from Frank and Pitbull, who were both available. It is a very frustrating typical story in the American boxing scene, even when boxers are in the same side of the street. Why Martin vs De Los Santos can't be made despite they're being both available is beyond comprehension.

I think that Turki/Dana will just end up buying the various rival promoters e.g. Matchroom, Top Rank etc just like Dana did with Pride & Strikeforce in the UFC. However, I think that will be their LAST move after signing all the promising talent to back them into a corner and lower the price.

Frank Martin vs Edwin De Los Santos should have been made a long time ago. If not, why can't it be made now? What is PBC doing? Martin ducked Santos, according to EDLS himself. He was waiting for his next fight after his big win against Valenzuela, but no offer was coming from Frank and Pitbull, who were both available.

Sorry mate, randomly quoted you and not the other lad who said Turki didn't get Padley a house, lol I was wondering :lol1:

Where is Frank Martin? Where is Delos Santos, Charlos, Spence? Where TF is Crawford, is he so scared of losing he can't take any interim fight while waiting for his turn in a Canelo sweepstakes? Frank Martin vs Edwin De Los Santos should have been made a long time ago. If not, why can't it be made now? What is PBC doing?