Rank these hype jobs

"What is more important a hammer or a screw driver? The lineal is not "important" the same way a belt is important... You cannot substitute one for the other." You are committing a type of logical fallacy known as a category error. Title belts exist, both physically and legally, in that they are physical symbols of a certain type of legally held status. "The lineal" has no existence, either physically or legally. It is an expression of subjective opinion, nothing more. That's why you could, theoretically, be sued for saying that Daniel Dubois is not the IBF world champion, but you could not be sued for saying that Usyk is not the lineal champion. "The lineal is a way for the fans to declare the champion." I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Give me an example of when it happened. "That is what it is for. It can be used to pressure the authorities, establish a claim, etc. That does not make it the same as a belt. It is the will of the people." What authorities and what people are you talking about there? ​ "The lineal is simple, elegant and useful when politics tries to pass a pig with lipstick as a champ" If you had said that "the lineal" does not exist but comes in useful when promoters try to pass off meaningless tune-up like Tyson Fury vs Francesco Pianeta, Sefer Seferi, and Tom Schwarz as world title fights, then I would agree with you. ​ Silly and absurd reasoning.

Who did Wladimir Klitschko beat to become lineal champion? How did Tyson Fury remain lineal champ after giving up his belts, handing in his boxing licence, and officially retiring? Why did Usyk, when he was asked if the lineal title was important to him, say that he didn't know what the lineal title was? Your asking the wrong questions... The question should be is Usyk the best heavyweight? Is he the best based on the authority of some agency, like a state? a sanctioning body, etc? Or is he the best because he beat the best fighter out there as an opponent? It does not matter what Usyk kinows because I will bet you a million diollars that if you asked why Usyk is the champ and asked him whether it was: 1. Because the sanctioning bodies consider him a suitable candidate to represent their organization(s) 2. He beat the best active fighter out there in a series of matches... wanna bet he would stick with number 2? kafkod, I like you, you seem ready to question things but in the spirit of not being silly (me) and wanting to be constructive(because most people do not understand the lineal and maybe our dialogue can help?) you do not understand the lineal. At the highest level of human nature we find Anarchy... No need for any outside force, like a state for example, to tell people how to behave, because people know better and act on this knowledge. So, in an anarchist society a cop pulls up and says "Bill, please slow down, I really do not want you to hurt yourself!" I slow down because I know better, not because of the threat of punishment from the state.... The Lineal comes from the same place... It is not codified in some organization. It is not subject to an elaborate contruction of laws and consequences... It is the collective will of people to see, and crown the king of the hill. It describes how one becomes the King of the Hill and that is all that is needed to fans. People just try to complicate the lineal by comparing it to disfunctional political entities that have their own interests and not the intersts of the fans.

- - All but Berto were protected fighters, but Berto started losing as soon as he stepped up.

"What is more important a hammer or a screw driver? The lineal is not "important" the same way a belt is important... You cannot substitute one for the other." You are committing a type of logical fallacy known as a category error. Title belts exist, both physically and legally, in that they are physical symbols of a certain type of legally held status. "The lineal" has no existence, either physically or legally. It is an expression of subjective opinion, nothing more. That's why you could, theoretically, be sued for saying that Daniel Dubois is not the IBF world champion, but you could not be sued for saying that Usyk is not the lineal champion. "The lineal is a way for the fans to declare the champion." I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Give me an example of when it happened. "That is what it is for. It can be used to pressure the authorities, establish a claim, etc. That does not make it the same as a belt. It is the will of the people." What authorities and what people are you talking about there? ​ "The lineal is simple, elegant and useful when politics tries to pass a pig with lipstick as a champ" If you had said that "the lineal" does not exist but comes in useful when promoters try to pass off meaningless tune-up like Tyson Fury vs Francesco Pianeta, Sefer Seferi, and Tom Schwarz as world title fights, then I would agree with you. ​ Logical fallicy? YES!!! That bis exactly the point! Do you see WHY I committed such a fallicy? To show that comparing things has to have a basis in sets of similar attributes, to work for the comparison. You do not compare two primary tools on the basis of importance, anymore than you compare the lineal, to the establishment of titles produced through some middleman independent agency. They are essentially different forms of authority. Here is another example: Your mother scolds you for driving a car drunk, versus a cop stops you for drunk driving... Your mother and the cop have a very different form of authority over you (You meaning anyone). You cannot compare them because they operate on a different basis entirely. Assuming a normal family here, one does not want to hurt their mother, they feel a specific obligation to her for raising them, etc... The cop operates through threat. The threat of punishment, in the states the threat of violence is pretty real as well lol.... See the point here? You mistake the lineal and then say it does not exist. It always exists! It exists in every school yard in every city! "Hey my big brother can kick your duff!" "Oh yeah? How come?" "He beat of that kid that beat you up!" The mechanism is part of our nature. And fans will always apply the same to fighters. The fans declare the champion by saying "this fighter is the best because he beat the best" It is circular logic at its finest, but it correlates perfectly to reality. If Usyk beats the best he becomes the lineal.... Now sure, there are hiccups in the processing, maybe another guy beat the former best and is still active, but these always resolve, what harm is it to have a conflict where two guys could be the lineal? It always eventually comes down to the guy who is the champ because he beat the best guy. That is as real as it gets! All alphabet soup belts are under pressure to not stray too wide from a champion who defeats a decent opponent because of the lineal. Nobody will take them seriously otherwise. Which we see every day with these alphabet soup chumps that are not even decent opponents for the better fighters.

Lol. Casual fans buy PPVs, so we can't really care if they follow the sport's history, right? Usyk became champion when he beat Fury, who beat Wladamir Klitschko, in a line....back to a very long time ago. No tin horn Latin American "Sanctioning body" gets to arbitrarily pick who the heavyweight champion is. they never have. Oleksandr Usyk is just one more link in the chain. Now you know. Who did Wladimir Klitschko beat to become lineal champion? How did Tyson Fury remain lineal champ after giving up his belts, handing in his boxing licence, and officially retiring? Why did Usyk, when he was asked if the lineal title was important to him, say that he didn't know what the lineal title was?

Oh brother... Kafkod you really should stay away from the st upid pills. Let me ask you this? What is more important a hammer or a screw driver? The lineal is not "important" the same way a belt is important... You cannot substitute one for the other. The lineal is a way for the fans to declare the champion. That is what it is for. It can be used to pressure the authorities, establish a claim, etc. That does not make it the same as a belt. It is the will of the people. Sometimes simplicity is a virtue: The lineal is simple, elegant and useful when politics tries to pass a pig with lipstick as a champ. "What is more important a hammer or a screw driver? The lineal is not "important" the same way a belt is important... You cannot substitute one for the other." You are committing a type of logical fallacy known as a category error. Title belts exist, both physically and legally, in that they are physical symbols of a certain type of legally held status. "The lineal" has no existence, either physically or legally. It is an expression of subjective opinion, nothing more. That's why you could, theoretically, be sued for saying that Daniel Dubois is not the IBF world champion, but you could not be sued for saying that Usyk is not the lineal champion. "The lineal is a way for the fans to declare the champion." I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Give me an example of when it happened. "That is what it is for. It can be used to pressure the authorities, establish a claim, etc. That does not make it the same as a belt. It is the will of the people." What authorities and what people are you talking about there? ​ "The lineal is simple, elegant and useful when politics tries to pass a pig with lipstick as a champ" If you had said that "the lineal" does not exist but comes in useful when promoters try to pass off meaningless tune-up like Tyson Fury vs Francesco Pianeta, Sefer Seferi, and Tom Schwarz as world title fights, then I would agree with you. ​

I would sayTank is the #1 hype job in recent years. His fans worship him for beating on B-rate no-hopers, weight drained contenders, washed up former champions and calling out fighters three weight classes below him. He ducked Loma for seven years insisted he was too young even at 25 and having held a title. He lost that title on the scales. Wilder was a big hype job but relatively anonymous. At his peak no one knew who he was. He walked the streets of Times Square with Mark Kreigel and not one person recognized him, even when they stopped random people on the street to ask if they knew him. Broner had an easy path to his title wins but he also stepped up and took risks later in his career. Never in a boring fight. They were all on the PBC Protection Plan for most of their careers.

Lol. Casual fans buy PPVs, so we can't really care if they follow the sport's history, right? Usyk became champion when he beat Fury, who beat Wladamir Klitschko, in a line....back to a very long time ago. No tin horn Latin American "Sanctioning body" gets to arbitrarily pick who the heavyweight champion is. they never have. Oleksandr Usyk is just one more link in the chain. Now you know. yes this is true people downplay that fury win over small klitschko but he totally shut him down like it or not with a whole lot of herky jerky stuff and wladimir could not get his shots off they said wladimir was old but he was still long reign champ then when the ukranian beat fury fury is now old and over the ill when ukyk loses will they say the same thing??? shock horror this is boxing 101

I agree. I always encourage anyone... If someone makes a decent post I like it... Most people here are not really so bad when they are not deluded. Takes a big man Kudos

Ah, now I get it. You were talking about the imaginary lineal title that PBC and Bob Arum told you was on the line in the Fury/Wilder trilogy, yeah? "The only title that really matters". The fabulous, prestigious, all important lineal crown. The crown that disappeared like a puff of hot air the instant Usyk was announced as the winner of his first fight with Fury. Lol. Casual fans buy PPVs, so we can't really care if they follow the sport's history, right? Usyk became champion when he beat Fury, who beat Wladamir Klitschko, in a line....back to a very long time ago. No tin horn Latin American "Sanctioning body" gets to arbitrarily pick who the heavyweight champion is. they never have. Oleksandr Usyk is just one more link in the chain. Now you know.

Ah, now I get it. You were talking about the imaginary lineal title that PBC and Bob Arum told you was on the line in the Fury/Wilder trilogy, yeah? "The only title that really matters". The fabulous, prestigious, all important lineal crown. The crown that disappeared like a puff of hot air the instant Usyk was announced as the winner of his first fight with Fury. Oh brother... Kafkod you really should stay away from the st upid pills. Let me ask you this? What is more important a hammer or a screw driver? The lineal is not "important" the same way a belt is important... You cannot substitute one for the other. The lineal is a way for the fans to declare the champion. That is what it is for. It can be used to pressure the authorities, establish a claim, etc. That does not make it the same as a belt. It is the will of the people. Sometimes simplicity is a virtue: The lineal is simple, elegant and useful when politics tries to pass a pig with lipstick as a champ.

It’s just old and tiresome He ain’t a bad poster when he ain’t talking about the same guys over and over and over I agree. I always encourage anyone... If someone makes a decent post I like it... Most people here are not really so bad when they are not deluded.

I imagine then, that there's quite a list of things that folks say where you're "Not sure what (they) mean with this". Three champions in the years directly following Wladamir Klitschko. Fury, Wilder and Joshua. Fury held the lineal title, Wilder the WBC claim, and Joshua the WBA, IBF, IBO claim. Wilder and Fury had fought to an epic draw to unify the Lineal and the WBC, with Joshua biding his time to put HIS claim to the test against the other two. But on June 1, 2019 he was blown away by late substitute Andy Ruiz Jr.; losing his chance to compete with the big boys. He would become the recipient of a massive attempt to recapture his status over the next few years, which proved futile. Fury and Wilder, however, would fight an epic trilogy with the unified Lineal championship and the WBC belt being contested. All of this, you already knew of course. Anyway, its a cinch to look it up. And don't be such a bogus belt booger. Ah, now I get it. You were talking about the imaginary lineal title that PBC and Bob Arum told you was on the line in the Fury/Wilder trilogy, yeah? "The only title that really matters". The fabulous, prestigious, all important lineal crown. The crown that disappeared like a puff of hot air the instant Usyk was announced as the winner of his first fight with Fury.

I thought the poll was about who's the biggest hypejob and voted for Wilder.

You guys keep Deontay Wilder's dxck all in y'all mouths on a daily basis. :lol1:

Hey easy on my best bud Duhgum, I give him my attention:lol1::lol1: It’s just old and tiresome He ain’t a bad poster when he ain’t talking about the same guys over and over and over

Typical daggum anti black boxer thread. You know... Honestly? You know what I think of Duhgum but I do not think he is a racist. for what my opinion is worth...

Who was the best of these hype jobs? Who was the worst etc... All American and all African American. You continue with your agenda.

No because I don't go looking for clicks. I post things that are relevant to me. If someone else doesn't like it that's fine. When someone like tank spends 7 years never fighting a top guy even though he has huge network and promotional backing that's just wrong. Its not hating it's having standards that aren't compromised because I like a certain boxer Yet you genuflect to media controlled sources like a little biatch. Your a walking contradiction toots!

Brother your posts make much more sense when your not on your hate parade It's fughin old and getting real stale real fast Don’t you notice that your posts are getting less and less attention Ask yourself why and why people don’t read them or care for them Wtv Floats your boat I guess but you should put that effort into something else Hey easy on my best bud Duhgum, I give him my attention:lol1::lol1: