I know there are several different factors that make somebody a 'puncher' such as God-given power, technique, size, fighting style etc, however, it's still pretty surprising to me that somebody with Bivol's size, technique and given how much he moves the heavy bag (without even trying) below only has a career KO ratio of 50%. Obviously he's a slick master boxer as opposed to a pressure fighter like Beterbiev but I still would've expected it to be HIGHER...
https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/703924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60IAQPFdILs&ab_channel=BOXRAW
He's always fighting top opponents as well. he ain't fighting cab drivers or tomato cans
That is also true.
When he still fought yus like Agnew or Broadhurst, he had much higher KO %.
He stopped Broadhurst in the first round with one punch.
If I was a contender at 175, I would rather lose to Beterbiev than to Bivol.
Beterbiev will knock you out, you you won˙t look like an idiot.
Bivol will win 10 rounds out of 12 and make you look amaterish and stupid.
Two things that haven't been mentioned.
One is technical. It's not actually completely accurate to say that Bivol puts his whole weight behind his punches because he doesn't. He fights balanced and on the bounce, so he doesn't actually transition his weight into the punch. He's explained the mechanics of it as well recently, and he likes to punch like a whip, letting it flick out. That provides the enough power to keep opponents honest, but whips cut, rather than impact. So they hurt, and make good use of the kinetic chain, and are very fast, which suits his style, but do not provide penetrative impact, which is a prerequisite for a knockout. This is why you've never seen anyone so much as knocked down by a flicker jab, for instance, while the ramrod straight like Golovkin, or more recently Crawford vs Spence, while slower, has more potential to knock someone down or out. Bivol throws his cross like a flicker as well. Real weight transfer is slower to do and doesn't work well if you're going to fight off the pendulum step bounce and rely on that footwork to maintain distance.
The second is that Bivol uses a LOT of straight punches in combination. He does this for tactical reasons; they get there faster than looping punches thrown by opponents trying to get past his tight high guard, allowing him to interrupt their offense, and they blind the opponent so they can't see which way he's exiting. They're also long range, allowing him to maintain distance control, frequently landing as the opponent tries to step into range. And the quantity that he throws allows him to rack up points even though his style isn't really judge friendly. However, the downside here is that the opponent generally sees them coming and can brace for impact. The punch that knocks you out is usually the one you didn't see coming, and Bivol's style usually means opponents do see the punches coming.
If I was doing a Pick 'Em between T-Kitty & Chubby Chaser my prediction would be as follows:-
Fight 1: Chubby Chaser Dec Close
Fight 2: T-Kitty Dec Close
I guess we'll just have to see how the trilogy fight between Bivol & Beterbiev plays out to determine the eventual winner!
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The problem with scoring this fight is that round by round Bivol might be the winner on paper, however, the rounds that Beterbiev won were clear rounds while the rounds that Bivol won were close were Bivol just nicked it. So in terms of actual damage done, being the ring general Beterbiev is still ahead and finished the fight fresher in the 12th. In today scoring being the ring general has not much impact on the scorecards.
Tommy Sugar and TBud are all boxer-punchers
Bivol is in the pure boxer mold like Mayweather
instead of good power like the boxer-punchers pure boxers have excellent defense
whatever you say little fat guy
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I get what you're saying but there's a FINE LINE between being a boxer/counterpuncher and a boxer/puncher in my opinion. For example, Crawford was considered a boxer/counterpuncher for most of his career (including the Spence fight) but has slowly evolved into a boxer/puncher as of late. However, he still had a lot of KO's during the early part of his career. Similarly, JMM is considered one of the GREATEST boxer/counterpuncher's of all time and has a career KO ratio of 71%. Also, we can't overlook the fact that both guys are 4 division champions so have retained a high KO% whilst moving up in weight whereas Bivol has been a career Light Heavyweight and ONLY has a 50% KO ratio.
Agreed but there have been plenty of 'boxers' throughout history who could also punch hard like Hearns & SRL or even Crawford from the current era.
Once again, he is a Boxer/Counter Puncher not a Boxer/Puncher. The main difference between the two is the former is more of a defensive, safety first type of fighter who can be difficult to hit and relies heavily on defense. Moreover, they throw fewer punches than boxer/punchers and doesn't like to take many risks in the ring for fear of getting hit.
The latter is a boxer also but one who will occasionally take more risks in the ring than a boxer/counterpuncher by getting hit more. Especially if they have their opponents hurt and will throw more punches in combinations; As they settle down on them for more power.
Agreed but there have been plenty of 'boxers' throughout history who could also punch hard like Hearns & SRL or even Crawford from the current era.
Once again, he is a Boxer/Counter Puncher. Not a Boxer/Puncher. The main difference between the two is the former is more of a defensive, safety first type of fighter who can be difficult to hit and relies heavily on defense.
Moreover, they throw fewer punches than boxer/punchers and doesn't like to take many risks in the ring for fear of getting hit. The latter is a boxer also but one who will occasionally take more risks in the ring than a boxer/counterpuncher by getting hit more.
Especially if they have their opponents hurt and will throw more punches in combinations; As they settle down on them for more power.
Tommy Sugar and TBud are all boxer-punchers
Bivol is in the pure boxer mold like Mayweather
instead of good power like the boxer-punchers pure boxers have excellent defense
whatever you say little fat guy
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Sure T-Kitty
Still no balls to join the pick’em though
Puzzys like you are made and thrown out
I D I O T
Bivol Jai
Can Bivol pull an Usyk and comfortably outbox an opponent 25 pounds bigger
Jai is an athletic explosive guy who was a good amateur
Jai could be to Bivol what Joshua is to Usyk
Exactly. Elite boxing is more about skills than about power.
Bivol Jai
Can Bivol pull an Usyk and comfortably outbox an opponent 25 pounds bigger
Jai is an athletic explosive guy who was a good amateur
Jai could be to Bivol what Joshua is to Usyk
couldnt land cleanly. would rate Bivol’s chin great 8/10 maybe even very great 8.5/10
Tiger Paw Artur got some flush straight rights in but Bivol wouldn’t wobble
Joe Smith Jr made Bivol legs jello twice with overhands
It’s hard to gauge the chin of these defensive wizards
they dont get hit enough to see if that chin is 9/10 or 10/10
It is interesting that so called monster puncher Artur didn't really rock Bivol not even once.
Joe Smith jr. did it much better.
Beterbiev tried twice, failed twice. Niw his funny fan club can sh ut up how he stops Bivol.
couldnt land cleanly.
Agreed but there have been plenty of 'boxers' throughout history who could also punch hard like Hearns & SRL or even Crawford from the current era.Tommy Sugar and TBud are all boxer-punchers
Bivol is in the pure boxer mold like Mayweather
instead of good power like the boxer-punchers pure boxers have excellent defense
Not at all but we all know Y D K S A B
Stick to It’s easy to make calls once thé fight has happened
Ptsd that Biatchwhatever you say little fat guy
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