Who was Greater? Wilder or Zhang

He was trash in his biggest fights lol…. he came up short in those big fights but you gotta be lying to yourself if you say joshua doesnt have more skills than wilder and zhang... the guy gets hated on but you gotta keep it 100. he's better than wilder and zhang in terms of skills and boxing fundamentals, joshua just isnt game enough and doesnt really have heart, that's his weakness.

but to be honest, joshua is a much better fighter and more skilled than wilder and zhang.He was trash in his biggest fights lol….

Usyk? Wilders size wasn't the issue, it was his lack of skill. He was a quick fighter with monster power, but he was also ignorant, thick headed and stubborn. Wilders downfall was caused by himself not a lack of size. I implore you to re-read my post. I will copy and paste the part I want you to read: “He’s isn’t technically very good like Usyk who can afford to fight bigger fighters because he’s technically that great.​” I clearly mentioned Wilder’s lack of technical skills and even mentioned Usyk as an example of a smaller HW with skills great enough to beat the bigger men.

Easy ! Wilder is greater ! Mofos be obsessed with the man. Zhang was better than Wilder when they faced each other . It happens . This is boxing

Daggum refuses to understand this and forever creates these nonsensical threads. Like it was not totally obvious that Wilder post Fury was shot to shiat. I know. This guy's a real clown or a troll. He often makes up these bullshit threads in order to discredit Deontay Wilder's boxing career achievements inside the ring. He is a real Wilder hater. It's more likely than not that he is probably an administrator or a mod on this forum. However, I just don't understand why he remains so fixated on Deontay Wilder; Who's retired and career has not been relevant in years? What fighter who is in their right goddamned mind would duck another or any fighter if the money was right? After all, it is called prizefighting for a reason. It's all about making the most amount of money as soon as you can and as much as you can. It's the reason why these gladiators put their lives on the line for our entertainment. The only prizefighter in the history of boxing I knew who ran away from money is Saul Canelo Alvarez.

Who was Greater; Wilder or Zhang? Well, thanks for your question. I'm always delighted to help out a peripheral level fan who's dipping his toe into boxing history! Um.....Wilder, by a nose. The current era is 2015 - 2025 1. Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 24-0-0 (14) 2. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24) 3. Deontay Wilder, USA 43-4-1 (42) 4. Daniel Dubois, England 22-2-0 (21) 5. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (24) 6. Joseph Parker, New Zealand 36-3-0 (24) 7. Zhilei Zhang, China 27-3-1 (22) 8. Agit Kabayel, Turkey 26-0-0 (18) 9. Andy Ruiz Jr., USA 35-2-1 (22) 10.Luis Ortiz, Cuba 34-3-0 (29) 11.Dillian Whyte, England 31-3-0 (21) 12.Martin Bakole, Congo 21-2-0. (16) 13.Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine 64-5-0 (53) 14.Joe Joyce, England 16-3-0 (15) 15.Jarrell Miller, USA 26-1-2 (22) 16.Derrick Chisora, England 36-13-0(23) 17.Alexander Povetkin, Russia 36-3-1 (25) 18.Kubrat Pulev, Bulgaria 32-3-0 (14) 19.Filip Hrgovic, Croatia 17-1-0 (14) 20.Charles Martin, USA 30-4-1 (27) 21.Fabio Wardley, England 18-0-1 (17) 22.Carlos Takam, Cameroon 40-8-1 (28) 23.Johann Duhaupas, France 39-7-0 (26) 24.Robert Helenius, Finland 32-5-0 (21) 25.Otto Wallin, Sweden 27-3-0 (15) 26.Bryant Jennings, USA 25-4-0 (14)2 27.Frank Sanchez, Cuba 25-1-0 (17) 28.Bermane Stiverne, Haiti 25-6-1 (21) 29.Efe Ajagba, Nigeria 20-1-0 (14) 30.Chris Arreola, USA 39-7-4 (31) 31.Michael Hunter, USA 24-1-2 (17) 32.Moses Itauma, England 11-0-0 (9) 33.Hughie Fury, England 29-3-0 (16) 34.Richard Torrez, USA 12-0-0 (11) 35.Jared Anderson, USA 18-1-0 (15) 36.Bakhodir Jalolov, Uzbek 14-0-0 (14) 37.Tony Yoka, France 13-3-0 (11) 38.Murat Gassiev, Armenia 31-2-0 (24) 39.Aleksandr Ustinov, Russia 36-6-1 (27) 40.Lucas Browne, Australia 31-6-0 (27) 41.Dominic Breazeale, USA 20-3-0 (18) 42.Gerald Washington, USA 20-6-1 (13) 43.Frazier Clarke, England 8-1-1 (6) 44.Jermain Franklin, USA 23-2-0 (15) 45.Lenier Pero, Cuba 11-0-0 (8) 46.David Haye, England 28-4-0 (26) 47.Vyacheslav Glazkov, Ukraine 21-1-1 (13) 48.Ruslan Chagaev, Uzbekistan 34-3-1 (21) 49.Guido Vianello, Italy 13-2-1 (11) 50.Arslanbek Makhmudov, Russia 19-2-0 (18) 51.Lawrence Okolie, England 21-1-0(16) 52.Tom Schwarz, Germany 29-1-0 (20) 53.Adam Kownacki, Poland 20-4-0 (15) 54.Justis Huni, Australia 12-0-0 (7) 55.David Allen, England 23-7-2 (18) 56.Trevor Bryant, USA 22-2-0 (15) 57.Artur Szpilka, Poland 24-5-0 (16) 58.Oscar Rivas, Colombia 28-1-0 (19) 59.Petar Milas, Croatia 17-1-0 (13) 60.Demsey McKean, Australia 22-2-0 (14) 61.Alexander Dimitrenko, Ukraine 41-6-0 (26) 62.Kevin Lerena, South Africa 30-3-0 (14) 63.Umut Camkiran, Turkey 23-0-0 (21) 64.Tomasz Adamek, Poland 53-6-0 (31) 65.Francesco Pianeta, Italy 35-5-1 (21) 66.Sam Sexton, England 24-4-0 (9) 67.Joseph Goodall, Australia 11-2-1 (10) 68.Stephan Shaw, USA 20-2-0 (15) 69.Johnathan Guidry, USA 21-1-2 (13) 70.Mahmoud Charr, Syria 34-5-0 (20) 71.Amir Mansour, USA 23-4-1 (16) 72.Ali Eren Demirezen, Turkey 17-1-0 (12) 73.Vladyslav Sirenko, Ukraine 22-0-0 (19) 74.Travis Kauffman, USA 32-4-0 (23) 75.Mariusz Wach, Poland 38-11-0 (20) 76.Simon Kean, Canada 23-2-0 (21) 77.Ryad Merhy, Côte D’Ivoire. 33-3-0 (27) 78.Christian Hammer, Romania 27-12-0 (17) 79.Izuagbe Ugonoh, Poland 18-2-0 (15) 80.Malik Scott, USA 38-3-1 (13) 81.Erkan Teper, Germany 21-4-1 (13) 82.Eric Molina, USA 29-9-0 (21) 83.Hemi Ahio, New Zealand 23-1-0 (17) 84.David Price, England 27-7-0 (20) 85.Cassius Chaney, USA 23-2-0 (16) 86.Sergey Kuzmin, Russia 19-2-0 (14) 87.Tony Thompson, USA 40-7-0 (27) 88.David Adeleye, England 13-1-0 (12) 89.Johnathan Rice, USA 16-6-1 (11) 90.Herve Hubeaux, Belgium 33-3-0 (14) 91.Ivan Dychko, Kazakhstan 14-0-0 (13) 92.Francis Ngannou, Cameroon 18-5-0 (13)* (Record includes boxing against MMA fighters). 93.Lukasz Rozanski, Poland 15-1-0 (14) 94.Junior Fa, New Zealand 20-3-0 (11) 95.Alex Leapai, Samoa 32-8-4 (26) 96.George Arias, Dominican Rep 18-1-1 (7) 97.Nelson Hysa, Albania 20-0-0 (18) 98.Dillon Carman, Canada 14-6-0 (13) 99.Razvan Cojanu, Romania 17-7-0 (9) 100.Nathan Gorman, England 19-3-0 (13) ​

Wilder top 10(Ring) opponents: 3-4-1 with wins over stiverne and ortiz twice Zhang top 10(Ring) opponents: 3-3 with wins over wilder and joyce twice Wilder. Because he continues to live rent free in your head.

Wilder and fury can't have been that good to allow one fighter to take so much out of them. Fury hardly took much punches. I agree that Wilder got the worst end of it. He absorbed more punishment than Fury had in that trilogy. Deontay's lack of boxing ability really hurt him in that match up. Fury aside from the four knockdowns hardly absorbed any real punishment at all in those three bouts. While Wilder on the other hand, lacked any real defense to avoid Tyson's punches.

They fought 3x. And in the 3rd Fight, Fury had to get up off the canvas 2x. There is NO shame in losing to the best fighter in the division at the time. And no, Usyk did not win both fights by that much, and the official cards & Compubox stats reflect as much. Just say you hate Fury & or Wilder & be done with it. He almost got knocked out by Francis Ngannou, who AJ just bludgeoned in short order, after Usyk had made HIM look ****** 2x. He was absolutely past his prime by the time he got to Usyk. Fact is Usyk, out of his OWN MOUTH said Fury was the best fighter he EVER fought. He doesn't think he easily beat Fury, but you know better??? :lol1: Duhgum thinks that there is some level of competition that Fury, Wilder and Ortiz missed... Even though between them they fought an average of the same fighters... and usually did better. Chisora, beat by Fury... But but but Wilder never fought him! lol, you cannot make this up...

Sometimes I hear people, I'm not sure they're boxing fans, say having wars make you past prime? But others have opinion it makes you battle hardened and prepared, and not untested and green. I mean some tried taking gloss of pac s win over barrera, citing barrera had wars with morales? But maybe those wars gave barrera experience, not forget to take into account barrera was coming off 8 win streak. But sure, too many wars can shorten a career, you wouldn't want too many. Pac and Barrera are not heavyweights. The speed that a man of over 170 pounds can generate is in a different category entirely, much less a heavyweight. Now, fighters used to have more defensive skills, that much is true. But Wilder and Fury really touched each other up...

What? How do you make that determination? Fury, not known for hitting hard by casuals actually carried a decent KO percentage and, because of his size when he sat down on his shots, they did damage. Wilder was perhaps one of the hardest hitters in the sport... to some, one of the hardest hitters ever. They are both heavyweights. You do not think fighting twice, catching each other repeatedly would not cause damage? Sometimes I hear people, I'm not sure they're boxing fans, say having wars make you past prime? But others have opinion it makes you battle hardened and prepared, and not untested and green. I mean some tried taking gloss of pac s win over barrera, citing barrera had wars with morales? But maybe those wars gave barrera experience, not forget to take into account barrera was coming off 8 win streak. But sure, too many wars can shorten a career, you wouldn't want too many.

Fury was terrible in the first fight lol. Best version? Wilder literally admits to cherry picking an out of shape rusty fury in an interview. Fury kncoked out wilder in both subsequent fights and you are using that as a positive? Usyk also won both fights 8-4 9-3. Barely? Fury was coming off of wins over chisora and whyte. He was not shopworn. He just lost. They fought 3x. And in the 3rd Fight, Fury had to get up off the canvas 2x. There is NO shame in losing to the best fighter in the division at the time. And no, Usyk did not win both fights by that much, and the official cards & Compubox stats reflect as much. Just say you hate Fury & or Wilder & be done with it. He almost got knocked out by Francis Ngannou, who AJ just bludgeoned in short order, after Usyk had made HIM look stupid 2x. He was absolutely past his prime by the time he got to Usyk. Fact is Usyk, out of his OWN MOUTH said Fury was the best fighter he EVER fought. He doesn't think he easily beat Fury, but you know better??? :lol1:

Fury was terrible in the first fight lol. Best version? Wilder literally admits to cherry picking an out of shape rusty fury in an interview. Fury kncoked out wilder in both subsequent fights and you are using that as a positive? Usyk also won both fights 8-4 9-3. Barely? Fury was coming off of wins over chisora and whyte. He was not shopworn. He just lost. You don't really "get" different aspects of a competative fight do you? Wilder had Fury down multiple times in the series of fights... Which means he very easily could have won... Fury was ot out of shape that first fight, watch the fight! Just ask Usyk... You claim to know more than he does? He says Fury was his biggest test, despite being ridiculed by Fury... Usk unlike you, is being objective. Yes Fury lost... What of it? the fights were competative. you claim I am fair weather regarding fighters but when the fighters claim something you gaslight them. You also fail to see how when we look at Wilder, Fury and Ortiz for that matter, they all fought from the same pool of fighters.

To sit here and say Wilder wasn't a shot fighter by the time he fought Zhang is absolutely ridiculous. I'm surprised anyone actually considers that a good win for Zhang. A good name on his resume? Yes. A good quality win? Fuck no. Wilder... Battered by Fury in two of 3 fights. A knockout win over Robert Helenius (Which did not prove anything). Battered by Parker in a one sided fight prior to Zhang. Did Zhang beat a prime Wilder? Not at all. Wilder was 39 (Yes I know Zhang's older too but never was in any war). Zhang's win over Wilder does not prove he is better and would've won 3-5 years ago.

Who did he defend it against? Literally only beat 1 top 10 guy. 10 defenses and only 1 top 10 win is proof he was matched soft but yet you can't see that? Also when Wilder finally stepped up he got dusted in 5 straight fights. That's more proof he wasn't very good. Ali beat 35 top 10 opponents so when he lost to guys like Holmes and Berbick he had a resume to fall back on. Wilder had soft title defenses in a 4 belt era yawn So who fault was that? He fought whomever was available to him at the time. He wanted the big fights. Both Alexander Povetkin, Joseph Parker, Andy Ruiz, Dillian Whyte, Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko all ducked this guy. It was for a very good reason. It was because he was that damn good. Only Luis Ortiz and Tyson Fury had the courage to fight him at the time. While the other contenders, champions and titleholders all ran and ducked for cover from him. A prime Deontay Wilder whups and stomp kicks the living shit out of all their asses. Which Includes Zhang as well and you know it.

For entertainment, Wilder and it isn't even close.

Anytime a guy you stan loses he's shot. Anytime a guy you don't like loses he was "never good" lets just look at resumes shall we? Zhangs is better. Joyce's is better. Joshua's is better etc...prime wilder whatever that means only existed against the bums he fought By the way: who else did I say was shot? Not Ortiz... I really never claimed Fury lost any fights to Usyk because he was shot... I only said he came in looking like crap... So please back up this accusation duhgum?

Perfectly stated. I couldn't have said it any better. I wanted to reply the e-diott, something i really don't like doing, and then, I saw your reply. Except I am not a fan of Wilder's anymore than Joshua. I have given static to Bum Squad goons when they were ridiculous. Your hiding behind a paper mache target lol. Why don't you respond to the post I replied with? Better to hide behind the dunce?

Anytime a guy you stan loses he's shot. Anytime a guy you don't like loses he was "never good" lets just look at resumes shall we? Zhangs is better. Joyce's is better. Joshua's is better etc...prime wilder whatever that means only existed against the bums he fought But thats just it Duhgum... I am not a fan of Wilders. Besides who else did I say was "shot?" Let me ask you this, is Zhang shot? I did not see the fight but it is entirely possible. Fighters change, they enter periods of time where they jell, need to retire, etc... When you analyze data from multiple sources, which is what fans with some knowledge and understanding do... You have to account for events realistically. Rankings are the worse form of data because they are based on the interests of the boxing organizations. You refuse to see these points as valid. Anyone with common sense can see Wilder was severely lacking... He looked a little less motivated against Parker, all praises to Parker who won a decent scrap, but he looked dead in the water against Zhang. If you really look carefully he hesitates against Parker, which could be because Parker outboxed him... Prime Wilder is obvious from the following: Common opponents between him and Joshua (Breazeale) as a point of reference. I hate triangle theory but is gives us some point of reference that tells us Wilders other fights were part of the same gaggle of weak opponents Joshua faced. His fights with Fury His dominance using his punch coming up. You can take it one step further and look at Fury who beat Klitsko in a master class, while Joshua went life and death with an older Vlad... The same Fury who fought Wilder. As much as I hate using common opposition it serves to show how ridiculous your arguments are... Anyone who reads the above and understands logic will understand the correlations here... which serve to buttress the fact Wilder was an amazing puncher. Hear that Boxoffice?:bottle:

Anytime a guy you stan loses he's shot. Anytime a guy you don't like loses he was "never good" lets just look at resumes shall we? Zhangs is better. Joyce's is better. Joshua's is better etc...prime wilder whatever that means only existed against the bums he fought Perfectly stated. I couldn't have said it any better. I wanted to reply the e-diott, something i really don't like doing, and then, I saw your reply.