People forget he started boxing to pay for his daughters medical care.
No he didn't have great skills but he had power and a real reason to fight, for better or worse he made it pretty far on just that.
He was similar to Fury in that once he got too much fame and money it had a negative effect on him, it goes like that sometimes.
Before he won the WBC Wilder was actually a pretty likeable guy, he was polite and friendly, he came across well in interviews unlike now.
While I do have negative opinions of him over more recent years, I still don't forget why he started, it'd be hard to find a more honourable reason, and I'm glad that he made enough money not to have to worry about paying for his daughters healthcare anymore.
Personally I don't think he should carry on, like Fury I think the sport itself and chasing fame and money has a negative effect on him.
One of the best of all time. Only Fury beat the real Wilder. Parker and Zhang beat the clone fresh off the cloning center production line. Donald Marshall states that the new Wilder clone will be much closer to the real Wilder who is still MIA after Fury 3. Nash out - His Majesty
Bravo
Bravo
Another spot on classic post from ThE REAL MAJESTY
Turki got fugh all on Nash mofos
One of the best of all time. Only Fury beat the real Wilder. Parker and Zhang beat the clone fresh off the cloning center production line. Donald Marshall states that the new Wilder clone will be much closer to the real Wilder who is still MIA after Fury 3. Nash out - His Majesty
I respect Wilders power and resilience. Plus, for a 210 pounds guy, he has a pretty solid chin. He still sucks overall, but I'm sure even his haters would agree that he's probably the biggest overachiever in the past 50 years in boxing. In a sense, acknowledging that shows some sort of respect
Lots of Power and Zero Boxing I.Q. ... Was fun while it lasted but not even close to HOF legacy ...
- - Deyonce gots a statue in Tuscaloosa he can go sleep under for solace when not cozying up to he uncle Al...
he ko'd 1 top 10 fighter his entire career. steve cunningham, ngannou, and usyk put fury down too. real power for them too? or just wilder because hes special
Neven Pajkic (5KOs from 17 fights) knocked him down too.
No hating, just adding as people often forget that.
the hate went so hard hes getting underrated now.
he got a bronze medal, if he was so shit he wouldnt have gotten an olympic medal if its so easy to beat him. and the guy that beat him also beat Usyk.
:lol1: @ people clowning Wilder. Did he have good skills? No. Did he have good form? Hell no! Was he a one-trick pony? Yes. But did he use that one trick to make more money than most of us here on Boxing Scene will ever make, in one of the toughest sports out there? Hell, yes! Shit, for that, the man gets mad props from me.
I'll say this about Wilder: he was entertaining insomuch that, despite fighting lesser opposition, it was always fun wondering when that right would land and how the other guy would take it. That, and I'd sooner watch Wilder again than Jake Paul, so there's that.
He had a place in the sport. It was behind a right hand and nowhere else, but he had a place.
even his power was overrated
ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10(ring) at the time of the fight
ali-53% 20 out of 38
louis-75% 24 out of 32
liston-63% 7 out of 11
patterson-35% 7 out of 20
foreman-58% 7 out of 12
frazier-38% 5 out of 13
holmes-52% 12 out of 23
marciano-80% 8 out of 10
bowe-60% 3 out of 5
lewis-53% 8 out of 15
fury-43% 3 out of 7
vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8
wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13
joshua-50% 5 out of 10
tyson-53% 8 out of 15
holyfield-30% 6 out of 20
wilder-25% 2 out of 8
the only reason people thought he was a power puncher was because his level of opposition was very poor. michael grant ko'd more top 10 fighters than wilder and people call him a hype job and failure and all this other crap but if thats true then wilder must be as well because grants resume is acually slightly better than wilders but because wilder held a belt and defended it against utter bummage people have wilder tinted glasses
I get that.... But the way he lit them up was at another level ... He has big time pop for sure and the Boxing IQ of a mouse...:cool:
even his power was overrated
ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10(ring) at the time of the fight
ali-53% 20 out of 38
louis-75% 24 out of 32
liston-63% 7 out of 11
patterson-35% 7 out of 20
foreman-58% 7 out of 12
frazier-38% 5 out of 13
holmes-52% 12 out of 23
marciano-80% 8 out of 10
bowe-60% 3 out of 5
lewis-53% 8 out of 15
fury-43% 3 out of 7
vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8
wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13
joshua-50% 5 out of 10
tyson-53% 8 out of 15
holyfield-30% 6 out of 20
wilder-25% 2 out of 8
the only reason people thought he was a power puncher was because his level of opposition was very poor. michael grant ko'd more top 10 fighters than wilder and people call him a hype job and failure and all this other crap but if thats true then wilder must be as well because grants resume is acually slightly better than wilders but because wilder held a belt and defended it against utter bummage people have wilder tinted glasses
I guess in a way, he could be considered similar to Berlanga except Berlanga didn't have as vicious of a run knocking out bums as Wilder did. I also do like Wilder's KO of Ortiz in their first and second fight. I think that's when I thought his power was for real. The Breazeale KO was awesome, but nobody considered that dude as some special heavyweight.
At the end of the day, if you lower expectations on Wilder, I think he was just a very entertaining heavyweight and helped the division by being in it. There was the constant back and forth rivalry between him and AJ. It gave an excitement of the "what if they fought" that we didn't have in some time in heavyweight boxing.
Lots of Power and Zero Boxing I.Q. ... Was fun while it lasted but not even close to HOF legacy ...
even his power was overrated
ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10(ring) at the time of the fight
ali-53% 20 out of 38
louis-75% 24 out of 32
liston-63% 7 out of 11
patterson-35% 7 out of 20
foreman-58% 7 out of 12
frazier-38% 5 out of 13
holmes-52% 12 out of 23
marciano-80% 8 out of 10
bowe-60% 3 out of 5
lewis-53% 8 out of 15
fury-43% 3 out of 7
vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8
wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13
joshua-50% 5 out of 10
tyson-53% 8 out of 15
holyfield-30% 6 out of 20
wilder-25% 2 out of 8
the only reason people thought he was a power puncher was because his level of opposition was very poor. michael grant ko'd more top 10 fighters than wilder and people call him a hype job and failure and all this other crap but if thats true then wilder must be as well because grants resume is acually slightly better than wilders but because wilder held a belt and defended it against utter bummage people have wilder tinted glasses
There's no shortage of praise for Usyk who is universally beloved yet Wilder gets nothing but hate and vitriol despite of some pretty good achievements.
I like a bit of balance
usyk gets praise because he fights everyone and he wins. wilder was almost the opposite until the end when he had no other options but to take tough fights and he flubbed it hardcore. dont like the word hate but he was overrated as he-ll and theres nothing wrong with saying that. when someone is performing a con on the public at large theres nothing wrong with pointing it out. wilders popularity was outrageous given his lack of resume and lack of getting in the ring with the top guys in the division. even now people are revising history and forgetting that the first fury fight was a huge cherry pick that simply backfired, wilder himself said fury was out of shape and on drugs and he should thank wilder for the opportunity lol
The guy who dedicates 90% of his posting to hating on Usyk makes a thread to defend Wilder. You can't make this **** up :lol1:
Anyone want to guess who's alt this is?
There's no shortage of praise for Usyk who is universally beloved yet Wilder gets nothing but hate and vitriol despite of some pretty good achievements.
I like a bit of balance
I was one the first, if not the very first, poster on NSB to say he was going to go far in the sport, and one day people would eat their words. I would argue with people all day that once Wilder stepped up, he would win.
But given his conduct the past few years, he actually deserves less respect than he gets. Accusing Mark Breland of spiking his water? Refusing to show Fury respect after Fury soundly beat him? Talking about killing guys in the ring?
He's a man with no class, no dignity and no shame.
werent you mostly wrong? besides ortiz he lost to every other good fighter. i think the people who were saying he is artificially extending his 15 minutes of fame by fighting weak competition were almost dead on. now you can see wilder fans scrambling saying "oh he was shot when he fought all those good fighters" which doesnt hold any water since he ko'd helenius easily, and even if that were true its his fault for staying on the sidelines for so long not fighting the best...100 million rejected ha
The guy who dedicates 90% of his posting to hating on Usyk makes a thread to defend Wilder. You can't make this **** up :lol1:
Anyone want to guess who's alt this is?
I'm thinking Will O the Wisp, maybe? Huge Fury and Wilder fanboy, has been very quiet since Usyk beat the crap out of Fury twice.
Although I personally agree with the sentiment. For someone who came to boxing late and didn't have the technical skills, he had a pretty decent career from the money and fame perspective. Not the most skilled, nor does he have a great resume, but I had fun watching many of his fights.
he ko'd 1 top 10 fighter his entire career. steve cunningham, ngannou, and usyk put fury down too. real power for them too? or just wilder because hes special
wilder put fury down hard it shows his power is was good he had lots of flaws put power not one of them
I was one the first, if not the very first, poster on NSB to say he was going to go far in the sport, and one day people would eat their words. I would argue with people all day that once Wilder stepped up, he would win.
But given his conduct the past few years, he actually deserves less respect than he gets. Accusing Mark Breland of spiking his water? Refusing to show Fury respect after Fury soundly beat him? Talking about killing guys in the ring?
He's a man with no class, no dignity and no shame.