Watching back Usyk vs Fury

I thought this as well but it turns out Usyk didn't actually start boxing until he was 15. He's even said himself that the first two boxing gyms he went to turned him down for being "too old", hah. - - Usyk upended the SuperHeavyweight era in just about every category you can think of. The average ring weight of his 31 Professional opponents greatly exceed the first 120 years of boxing by a significant degree.

First half of the fight was competitive, where you can make and argument that the rounds were split or that even Fury was up by a round, 1-2 Fury, 3-4 Usyk, 5 Fury. However, from round 6 until the end it was all Usyk. Usyk though did not dominate 6-12, but he did do just enough to clearly win.

I had 115-113 , watched again I got 116-112. If Fury had trained, or even could train like Usyk, he'd be a truly great fighter. He's very skilled for his size, great ring IQ but he has to pace himself. Against most HW fighters that slower pace still wins most rounds but Usyk is not most HW fighters. Take your foot off the gas, even a lttle, and Usyk takes over. It's the fact that Usyk is so good at negating the clinch, he obviously put a lot of work into that, Fury would try to clinch a lot to get rests but I was amazed with Usyks ability to get his shoulder in the way and push the 50lb bigger man off. Clearly he's put a LOT of hours into that. It show what makes Usyk special, remember the Klitschko era no opponent could handle the clinch from him, they were just clueless, I don't think one opponent went into the ring with a plan for that apart from complain to the ref, and it's not like they didn't know Klitschko was going to clinch. Usyk covers all the bases.

I had 115-113 , watched again I got 116-112. If Fury had trained, or even could train like Usyk, he'd be a truly great fighter. He's very skilled for his size, great ring IQ but he has to pace himself. Against most HW fighters that slower pace still wins most rounds but Usyk is not most HW fighters. Take your foot off the gas, even a lttle, and Usyk takes over.

- - Only thing left for Blubber is to get KOed by AJ in Saudi Arabia and get knoced out of boxing for good...yeah!!!

Tyson Fury was hesitant to move forward, and pressure Oleksandr Uysk 'Now a fighter like Anthony Joshua, maybe tactically could fight a more measured fight vs Oleksandr Uysk. And still be able to back him up, or force Uysk to also fighting a very measured fight'. If we contrast the behaviour of Oleksandr Uysk vs both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'Uysk's rematch vs Fury, showed that Uysk did not respect or have anywhere near the same apprehension levels for Fury's power like he did during the first fight'. I have also watched back the second Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk II fight 'And I now actually think, the fight was a much easier contest for Uysk than the first fight. Tyson Fury pretty much had his last good round, were he appeared dangerous in round 5. After this point? You could clearly see that Fury, was beginning to fatigue'. The statistics of the fight, tell a unclear story 'Fury's actual work rate, was solid. But the share effort, Fury is having to surmount to fight at such a pace. Is dominating his entire fight, and taking away from his overall game. Tyson Fury in both fights vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II struggled to manage the pace over a 12 round fight'. Note: Anthony Joshua over his two fights with Uysk, his work rate superior to Tyson Fury's 'Joshua threw 641 punches in the first fight, and then 492 punches in the rematch. Joshua's second fight with Uysk, showed that tactically? He was attempting to manage his pace more efficiently, which he did. But Uysk in response to this threw 712 punches. Out of all 4 Heavyweight titles fights vs both Fury and Joshua, Oleksandr Uysk produced his highest work rate vs Anthony Joshua II'. Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Uysk II 'I personally regard that fight, as the absolute peak version of Uysk. Uysk vs Joshua was throwing on average 300 + more punches than he did vs Tyson Fury I & II. And people need to factor this in? The highest amount of punches, Uysk landed on Anthony Joshua 'Was during their rematch. 170 Punches. The highest amount of punches Uysk landed on Tyson Fury, was 179 punches during their rematch. Oleksandr Uysk was also able to land 170 punches on Tyson Fury in their first fight'. It is like when you watch great middle to long distance runners 'There are certain athletes, who are able to keep up with the World and Olympic Champions for 90% of the race. That does not mean they are winning, or are even running a great race. The great track athletes know where and when to produce stints of extreme intensity, to systematically break their competitor's'. By the middle rounds of Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk II 'Uysk was from a share physiologically perspective, completely dominating Fury. In my perspective, Uysk if he was really pushed to? He Could of went up into another gear of intensity. But the reality of Fury's challenge, was that he did not force Uysk into that sort of fight'. To conclude: So, overall Tyson Fury fought a good fight 'But in further analysis, I don't think his efforts were that much better than the first fight. Fury's endurance levels were worse in this second fight, and tactically? For the first time in his career, even when he needed to. Tyson Fury was unable to throw caution to the wind, and go out in those championship rounds like a fighting man'. The instructions were very clear from Sugar Hill Steward 'There is no tomorrow, the fight is too close'. Tyson Fury after hearing this, coasted the round and in my opinion did not produce any serious pressure'. In comparison, immediately when Anthony Joshua was decked by Daniel Dubois in their IBF World Heavyweight title fight 'Joshua began to throw caution the wind. Completely uncharacteristic behaviour, for this version of Joshua., And in retrospect, those sort of tactics were most likely? Not the optimal tactics to use vs Daniel Dubois. Because we know that Anthony Joshua is skill for skill a superior boxer to Dubois, and that in a distance fight? The battle could of potentially moved back towards Anthony Joshua, if he was just able to persevere through the first half of the fight'. Going off Topic, I think Anthony Joshua vs Tyson Fury 'Is stylistically a extremely difficult fight for Fury. We know now via solid evidence, that there is nothing much between both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua skill for skill, the 48 rounds of competitive action they shared with Oleksandr Uysk has proven this. And I will also go as far to say? That Anthony Joshua's durability is very much comparable to Tyson Fury's, on every single metric'. Anthony Joshua has only ever been hurt or decked by renowned power punches 'Tyson Fury in comparison, has been continuously hurt throughout his career by fighters who are not renowned for their power punching'. And certain people will say? But Tyson Fury's recovery is better than Anthony Joshua's 'I don't think that is a objective fact'. Anthony Joshua every single time he was decked, he has got back up 'He was stopped on his feet vs Andy Ruiz I, with a smile on his face in his corner. And even vs Daniel Dubois, Joshua was still fighting to get back up onto his feet'. If Tyson Fury is hesitant to pressure a fighter like Oleksandr Uysk I & II, I would not make him the favourite vs Anthony Joshua 'I would be very surprised if Tyson Fury and his team, want to make that fight. At this stage of Tyson Fury's career, in my opinion there are no areas of his game where he is that much better than Anthony Joshua' etc.

I get 10-2 also and I posted my round by round in detail. Many rounds were competitive, but they were mostly won by Usyk. Without actually justifying the view that the cards can't be wide, I struggle to take anyone's score seriously. I like you and think you’re a good poster so don’t want to get into a back and forth on it but there’s a reason no one has a 10-2 card and the majority of the boxing world think 116-112 across the board is abit too wide and I’ll just leave it at that.

Alalshik put it up on his channel a day or 2 after the fight. Re-watched it and still had 8-4.

You’re an idiot though, that’s why. Who has no idea what he’s watching. There’s a reason you are the only person with such a wide card. I get 10-2 also and I posted my round by round in detail. Many rounds were competitive, but they were mostly won by Usyk. Without actually justifying the view that the cards can't be wide, I struggle to take anyone's score seriously.

I thought this as well but it turns out Usyk didn't actually start boxing until he was 15. He's even said himself that the first two boxing gyms he went to turned him down for being "too old", hah. Wow. That makes it even more impressive then. I assumed he and Lomachenko had been boxing from young.

He’s been boxing from birth essentially. I thought this as well but it turns out Usyk didn't actually start boxing until he was 15. He's even said himself that the first two boxing gyms he went to turned him down for being "too old", hah.

His conditioning is unbelievable especially considering he is fighting guys who are naturally so much bigger, there is nothing more energy sapping than fighting a much naturally bigger man. 37 and carrying 220-224lbs and in perpetual motion and he just gets stronger. Even at CW it was often very similar you'd have the odd fighter doing well maybe even edging out 2-3 rounds but they would have to work so hard for it then suddenly he'd surge and decisively take pretty much all the rounds down the stretch. Its very clever boxing I remember this being the case against Hunter. It was a close fight in the first half, I'd even say that Hunter was ahead at the halfway point but Usyk pulled away in second half.

His conditioning is unbelievable especially considering he is fighting guys who are naturally so much bigger, there is nothing more energy sapping than fighting a much naturally bigger man. 37 and carrying 220-224lbs and in perpetual motion and he just gets stronger. Even at CW it was often very similar you'd have the odd fighter doing well maybe even edging out 2-3 rounds but they would have to work so hard for it then suddenly he'd surge and decisively take pretty much all the rounds down the stretch. Its very clever boxing It’s certainly that, added with the fact he’s so extremely relaxed in there. He’s been boxing from birth essentially. He doesn’t even have to think what he’s doing in there, his body just moves. Similar to Mayweather, how he’d never get tired, it’s the same kind of thing. Total relaxed, almost flow state. Fury was tense the entire time, even the rounds he won/arguably won. Constantly on edge, constant bites on the feints, it’s usually Fury who has that control but he’s no where near Usyk’s level in that regard. No one is really. So by round 6, these guys are spent. While Usyk is still fresh, so he then dominates not only due to his IQ but the fact he’s so much less tired than his opponent. Was the same vs Bellew, AJ, many others. He’s just an incredibly difficult person to beat. For a plethora of reasons but these are the mains ones. There is a reason he always dominates down the stretch.

There's a big difference sometimes between a competitive fight and a close fight. It wasn't a blowout in the sense that the rounds were for the most part quite competitive, but for me Usyk still won 10 of the rounds so the score looks wide. You’re an idiot though, that’s why. Who has no idea what he’s watching. There’s a reason you are the only person with such a wide card.

i think you nailed it i dont think fury trained hard at all from what we saw he was tired from round 6 onwards

Fury did disgusting compared to what he said he was going to do to usyk. Similar to floyd saying he was going to ko pac, but was in survival mode whole fight. Not saying usyk won easy or it wasn't competitive though

First half was competitive but as usual Usyk takes over second half. It’s so hard to win rounds against Usyk down the stretch. Even the “closer” rounds are hard to score against him because he’s so much fresher and cleaner with his work compared to his opponent. His conditioning is unbelievable especially considering he is fighting guys who are naturally so much bigger, there is nothing more energy sapping than fighting a much naturally bigger man. 37 and carrying 220-224lbs and in perpetual motion and he just gets stronger. Even at CW it was often very similar you'd have the odd fighter doing well maybe even edging out 2-3 rounds but they would have to work so hard for it then suddenly he'd surge and decisively take pretty much all the rounds down the stretch. Its very clever boxing

Agree with pretty much all of that. Fury gave a pathetic effort imo, he just doesn't have the dog in him anymore and personally I don't think he's had it for ages. It goes back to the Ngannou fight, Fury got embarrassed by the wrestler, and going into the last couple of rounds it felt like the scores were very close, I felt fury has to put it on him now, Ngannou was gassing and fury just played it safe. You aren't beating Usyk with this type of mentality, you need to be going in there confident and relishing having a fight. Fury should have retired after beating Whyte, he has been conning the fans ever since in my opinion, he doesn't really want to be in there anymore he just wants the big Saudi paycheques, it's dishonest and leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

There's a big difference sometimes between a competitive fight and a close fight. It wasn't a blowout in the sense that the rounds were for the most part quite competitive, but for me Usyk still won 10 of the rounds so the score looks wide.

A lot of people don't seem to have taken into account the difference in percentage landed. Usyk was in the 40's, landing more punches than Fury despite throwing, if memory serves, as something like 100+ fewer, while he also held Fury to a percentage in the 20's. I think it's one of the more useful statistics because it shows how efficient the fighters were, whether one had significantly better defense or whether the flashy moments one fighter appeared to have actually weren't even scoring because the other one was neutralizing them, etc. If you have a clear disconnect in land percentage, that usually correlates nicely with the fighter who was controlling the fight. Not always, and of course there will be counter examples, but it can really provide perspective that might be missing otherwise. I also don't really know why people think Fury was on the front foot, because he spent most of the fight on the back foot, with Usyk holding center ring. When that's happening against a guy who's got a 55lb weight advantage, 7" height and reach advantages, who's supposed to be "being the bigger man and imposing his size" on the "middleweight", it should be very clear who the better man is. Many rounds were competitive, don't get me wrong, but Fury lost most of them.