I noticed that whenever Usyk landed anything, the crowd exclaimed and cheered, while Fury's landed shots got barely a whisper. Since humans created AI, I won't put the creation over the creators. There are subjective elements that I believe AI simply cannot perceive. I feel that Fury boxed better this time around, but it was in spurts and not as consistent as he should have been. He also failed to impose his size more and bully Usyk. Besides Oleksandr's high-level skill, I feel that Tyson didn't go out there and try to destroy him as he should have. Instead, he tried to outbox a master boxer. Usyk outboxes his opponents, hence the low KO ratio. To beat him, one must try to destroy him.
Fury was slapping his shots and wasn't landing clean a lot.
TBF, it also shows that the humans could have missed things. The humans might have been giving a lot more credence to Fury than he should have gotten, as evidenced by the glazing from the DAZN commentators, talking up Fury every time he moved his gloves, when some of his best shots according to them landed on gloves and didn't score.
But AI does seem to value different things. As I recall, AI scores for Haney Loma were extremely wide as well.
As is, Usyk clearly won a competitive fight that I had 3 rounds to Fury, and could have seen 4, and that's as a guy giving up huge amounts of height and weight. The "middleweight" is indisputably the Heavyweight King of the era, and people had better start putting some respect on his name.
I noticed that whenever Usyk landed anything, the crowd exclaimed and cheered, while Fury's landed shots got barely a whisper. Since humans created AI, I won't put the creation over the creators. There are subjective elements that I believe AI simply cannot perceive. I feel that Fury boxed better this time around, but it was in spurts and not as consistent as he should have been. He also failed to impose his size more and bully Usyk. Besides Oleksandr's high-level skill, I feel that Tyson didn't go out there and try to destroy him as he should have. Instead, he tried to outbox a master boxer. Usyk outboxes his opponents, hence the low KO ratio. To beat him, one must try to destroy him.
Agreed. For an AI judge to have such a wide scorecard compared to 3 human judges, shows that it missed something.
TBF, it also shows that the humans could have missed things. The humans might have been giving a lot more credence to Fury than he should have gotten, as evidenced by the glazing from the DAZN commentators, talking up Fury every time he moved his gloves, when some of his best shots according to them landed on gloves and didn't score.
But AI does seem to value different things. As I recall, AI scores for Haney Loma were extremely wide as well.
As is, Usyk clearly won a competitive fight that I had 3 rounds to Fury, and could have seen 4, and that's as a guy giving up huge amounts of height and weight. The "middleweight" is indisputably the Heavyweight King of the era, and people had better start putting some respect on his name.
AI is as good as the training data provided to it.
So if the system is going to be trained on previous fights (and its corrupt/incompetent judging), it is not hard to believe it to have in-built bias. Secondly, AI does sometimes struggle with video motion with humans (and quite a fast one). To have a more capable AI system would need to recreate a 3D model of the fight and judge it which means installing cameras from different angles. So, at this stage, what we could aim for is to have every substantial boxing match be recorded from multiple angles suited for AI and act as an assistance to human judges. This needs to be done for some time before AI can take over somewhere down the line.
Nahhhh. Not until it’s proven it can judge well and test in on 1000 fights and get atleast 95% of them right
Agreed. For an AI judge to have such a wide scorecard compared to 3 human judges, shows that it missed something.
It cannot be accurate until there is sensors in the gloves that track positions, landing and power, without the sensors its relying on cameras and that's not accurate enough, its a good start to new tech but it must have sensors in the gloves to be 100% accurate.
That AI judge gave a 10-10 round in the 12th round which is dumb as hell. Usyk clearly won that round. Take that crap away from boxing. It's not ready.
AI judge had it 118-112 Usyk.
Bit wide, be interesting to see what it favours more, pressure, accuracy etc. It'll be bias, just don't know what for yet lol
Having said that, it had the right guy winning unlike 'experts' like Oscar DLH, who had Fury way up.
I keep hearing that DLH's view should be taken seriously.
Did you hear him being interviewed around round 7? He made zero sense. He sounded like he wasn't watching, but he certainly wasn't scoring and couldn't give a coherent opinion.
If Frank says they were scoring together, then he's lying. He couldn't answer the question mid fight. A sure fire way to test if someone is scoring is to ask them their score mid fight.
Nahhhh. Not until it’s proven it can judge well and test in on 1000 fights and get atleast 95% of them right
it won't be worse than the corrupt old blind judges.Lol 95 percent right? The judges don't even get 50 percent right.
AI judge had it 118-112 Usyk.
Bit wide, be interesting to see what it favours more, pressure, accuracy etc. It'll be bias, just don't know what for yet lol
Having said that, it had the right guy winning unlike 'experts' like Oscar DLH, who had Fury way up.
That wasn't a terrible card that AI gave us. I had it 117-111 for Usyk.
Oscar must have been all coked up again.
You would definitely still have bad decisions. First, they'll program in backdoors so they can rig the card if they want. Notice they didn't give us the AI judge take round by round. They gave us the guy who wants another title fight that he didn't earn blowing as much sunshine up Fury's arse that he could. Second, boxers would aim to figure out what looks good to AI, and it would just change the style and look. AI isn't ready for big independent tasks yet, if ever anyways, and as long as there's money to be made, there's going to be corruption in boxing. It would probably be worse with AI because then they can pretend it was objective.
I think the highlighted comment is the danger.
AI judge had it 118-112 Usyk.
Bit wide, be interesting to see what it favours more, pressure, accuracy etc. It'll be bias, just don't know what for yet lol
Having said that, it had the right guy winning unlike 'experts' like Oscar DLH, who had Fury way up.
You would definitely still have bad decisions. First, they'll program in backdoors so they can rig the card if they want. Notice they didn't give us the AI judge take round by round. They gave us the guy who wants another title fight that he didn't earn blowing as much sunshine up Fury's arse that he could. Second, boxers would aim to figure out what looks good to AI, and it would just change the style and look. AI isn't ready for big independent tasks yet, if ever anyways, and as long as there's money to be made, there's going to be corruption in boxing. It would probably be worse with AI because then they can pretend it was objective.
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