Is Turki Alalshikh getting a return from his investment in boxing?

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I doubt you'll ever get any response/answer to these questions of yours. It translates to non-PBC fights are all pirated. While PBC fights are not (wink wink). Which is why only PBC ppv fights come up with numbers. Hundreds of thousands of people are buying PBC fights despite their unaffordable prices. That's the fantasy they like to fool themselves into believing to boost their egos. Yeah, it always reminds me of when the internet was in its infancy. Everyone was trying to sell something online. I was one of those people. I thought if I can only sell any product even if it's for one dollar apiece, I'd be a millionaire if millions buy it. It's only one dollar, hypothetically speaking. And so I thought of making a tutorial related to drawing using an open-source app. Took me about 2 months of laborious and painstaking work. And at that time people sell stuff on CDs. Long story short only 12 bought my tutorials for a period of six months. Main point is people like to imagine things that don't exist in reality.

Good to know and good for you. How many of Turki's PPV have you bought brother? There was one big card recently in the US. How much did you spend on that one? How many PPVs did you buy last year? They are cheaper. Twice cheaper. I doubt you'll ever get any response/answer to these questions of yours. It translates to non-PBC fights are all pirated. While PBC fights are not (wink wink). Which is why only PBC ppv fights come up with numbers. Hundreds of thousands of people are buying PBC fights despite their unaffordable prices. That's the fantasy they like to fool themselves into believing to boost their egos.

Hmm... I missed repeating this in my previous post. We're going in circles. They aren't disclosed, imho, simply because there's nothing to disclose. Only few bought the PPVs and most of them were watched for free. Simple as that. Let's say Fury vs Usyk sold 5K in the US, there's no point for whoever sells them in reporting such numbers. However, it's far better than concocting or manufacturing numbers that don't exist. It's useless brother, give it up, you'll never go out of the circle. I myself tried and it got me nowhere. There is these folks who still have this imaginary group of people in their minds that still buy massive number of ppv's. Look at them they're all diverting the subject away to "Turki is swimming in oil money, therefore his fights are free for everyone to pirate. No one cares!" And I'm accepting that, but just as other fights are heavily pirated. They still can come up with numbers. Why is it lacking in non-PBC fights? I even suggested they conduct their own survey like stand in a busy street corner and ask passersby if they buy ppv's. I have started threads asking who bought ppv for a certain fight and only a handful showed up. Those who did, of course, lied. Waste of time... And it's not only Turki's fights that lack numbers, all non-PBC have no reported numbers. The biggest of them all Haney/Garcia didn't have any. Why, because it's not PBC. Like you I can accept it's massively pirated, and they'd rather not bother lying about the numbers, while PBC fans have to.​

Understood that it's Saudi oil money, but it's still considered investment like spending billions of riyals in infrastructure for pilgrims and tourists. (In the olden days that's their main source of income..) His fight cards are huge and are supposed to massively eclipse any PPV card in America. Yet we never see Rafael, Coppinger, etc. come up with any PPV number from Turki's fights, but are quick to provide fake numbers when it comes to PBC obviously pulled out from their ass.​ The Saudis have a $1,000,000,000,000 (trillion) soverign wealth fund and they will use to; Diversify their economy Investment into their infrastructure Market their country Attract foreign educated and talented workforce Buy international sports teams Invest abroad into businesses The boxing thing is literally just a game and entertainment for them. There are many people empowered like Turki by MBS who are out there accelerating the growth of Saudi in all sorts of areas. The Saudis aren't interesting in making a few million here and there on boxing shows, by 2030 they want to TAKE OVER many sports. BTW, Here is a detailed list of what Saudi Arabia is doing with its sovereign wealth fund (Public Investment Fund, PIF): Domestic Investments: NEOM City: Developing a futuristic $500 billion mega-city powered by renewable energy. Red Sea Project: Creating a luxury tourism destination with resorts and natural preservation. Qiddiya: Establishing an entertainment and sports city to rival Disney and other global hubs. Saudi Railway Expansion: Investing in nationwide rail and transportation infrastructure. Saudi Real Estate Development: Supporting affordable housing projects and urban development. Education Investments: Funding initiatives to modernize schools, universities, and research centers. Healthcare Investments: Developing hospitals, medical research, and pharmaceuticals within Saudi Arabia. Renewable Energy: Building solar and wind projects, including partnerships with ACWA Power. Saudi Entertainment Ventures (SEVEN): Launching 20+ entertainment complexes across the country. Food Security: Investments in agriculture, fisheries, and food processing industries. International Investments: Uber Technologies: Acquired a significant stake worth $3.5 billion in 2016. Lucid Motors: Purchased a controlling stake in the electric vehicle company. Tesla Rumored Interests: At times, rumored discussions about acquiring stakes in Tesla. SoftBank Vision Fund: Pledged $45 billion in partnership with SoftBank to invest in global tech. Gaming: Purchased stakes in Activision Blizzard, Electronic Arts, and Take-Two Interactive. Global Real Estate: Acquiring prime properties in New York, London, and Paris. Reko Diq Mining Project: Acquiring stakes in a major copper and gold mine in Pakistan. LIV Golf: Creating a rival golf league with high-profile international players. Sports Clubs: Purchased Newcastle United Football Club (UK Premier League). US and European Bonds: Diversifying reserves with government and corporate bonds. Diversification Through Industries: Tourism: Transforming Saudi Arabia into a global tourism destination. Artificial Intelligence (AI): Investing in AI companies and startups globally. Space: Partnerships to explore satellite launches and aerospace technology. Metaverse and Digital Tech: Entering VR/AR through technology partnerships. Mining and Minerals: Focus on securing resources like lithium, copper, and rare earth metals. Film and Media: Partnering with Hollywood for films, series, and streaming platforms. Logistics: Developing global logistics and shipping partnerships. Major Initiatives Under Vision 2030: Saudi Green Initiative: Focused on environmental sustainability and reducing carbon emissions. Circular Carbon Economy: Pioneering carbon capture and utilization technologies. Industrial Development: Creating industrial zones for automotive, electronics, and manufacturing. Human Capital: Building workforce skills and encouraging entrepreneurship. Sports and Culture: 2023 FIFA Club World Cup: Hosted in Saudi Arabia as part of its global sports ambitions. 2029 Asian Winter Games: Hosting in NEOM’s Trojena ski resort. Art and Heritage: Supporting museums and cultural preservation programs. Economic Goals by 2030: Increase PIF Assets: Targeting $1 trillion in assets by 2025. GDP Growth: Contributing to 4-5% of GDP growth annually. Job Creation: Aiming to create 1.8 million jobs across industries. Non-Oil Revenue Growth: Increasing non-oil exports and revenues through diversification. This mix of domestic and international initiatives underlines Saudi Arabia's ambitious goals to reshape its economy, reduce dependency on oil, and become a global economic powerhouse. ​

Saudi is losing big financial wise, on these boxing cards. But they are getting the exposure they seek. As a boxing fan I am gratefull and enjoying it while it lasts. Good to know and good for you. How many of Turki's PPV have you bought brother? There was one big card recently in the US. How much did you spend on that one? How many PPVs did you buy last year? They are cheaper. Twice cheaper.

Saudi is losing big financial wise, on these boxing cards. But they are getting the exposure they seek. As a boxing fan I am gratefull and enjoying it while it lasts.

As someone who buys the PPV cards, I will say that the legit streams are often terrible quality, prone to major technical issues. Had all kinds of issues with Fury v Usyk 2, almost every PPV on ESPN, and Spence v Crawford. And I'm paying top dollar for the fastest fiber speeds and top of the line modem and Wi-Fi 7 mesh routers and appropriately rated Ethernet cables. If you're paying for PPV for quality, I'm not sure you're getting what you're paying for. I'm often not, anyways.

Hmm... I missed repeating this in my previous post. We're going in circles. They aren't disclosed, imho, simply because there's nothing to disclose. Only few bought the PPVs and most of them were watched for free. Simple as that. Let's say Fury vs Usyk sold 5K in the US, there's no point for whoever sells them in reporting such numbers. However, it's far better than concocting or manufacturing numbers that don't exist. Ok, so you're of the opinion that the numbers were so bad here in The States, that they would be embarrassing to disclose, that makes sense. I don't know how well the PPV numbers were in Europe, but it's safe to say that the Fury-Usyk fight wasn't targeted for the US Market, they might have done well in Europe. We'll see how well his US cards do when Ryan, Haney, Pitbull, Teo and Boots go at it. I'd like to believe that we'll get to know those numbers for his US cards. If I'm not mistaken a figure was thrown around for his first Riyadh card here in the US. The Crawford-Madrimov card reportedly did around 100K. That obviously isn't a big number, but Bud isn't a big name so the low numbers were expected. I think Pitbull was a co main to try and capitalize off the big Mexican community in LA, to try and fill up the small stadium, but that didn't help the event too much.

Why do you believe PPV numbers for Turki fights aren't being disclosed?? Hmm... I missed repeating this in my previous post. We're going in circles. They aren't disclosed, imho, simply because there's nothing to disclose. Only few bought the PPVs and most of them were watched for free. Simple as that. Let's say Fury vs Usyk sold 5K in the US, there's no point for whoever sells them in reporting such numbers. However, it's far better than concocting or manufacturing numbers that don't exist.

This conversation is going nowhere when there's zero info on PPV numbers when it comes to non-PBC fights. You mentioned earlier that the reason for this is because, in GBP's case, for instance, they're hiding the figures so that fighters would be kept from asking for more money. That's fair but what about in Turki's cards? Such motive is non-existent. Fighters are offered flat fees and according to Bob Arum, who admiringly says Turki negotiates with fighters individually and there's no such thing as purse % splits. They're asked to name their price and settles with Turki's final offer. Never heard of any report of fighters demanding upside money. You should be wondering why only PBC supporters come up with numbers, which are subject to verification. What's your theory? I have mentioned mine and simply concurred with others that such numbers are fake and exaggerated. If piracy is rampant, why is PBC still getting these huge numbers? And like others said, 100,000 PPV buys is massive compared to non-PBC fights which is basically zero.​ I would just leave it at that. If you're asking me for my opinion on why PPV numbers for Turki cards aren't released, my answer is that I believe Turki pays the people in charge to keep those numbers private. That's my belief. Is it believable? Maybe, maybe not. You feel that the numbers being released for PBC fights are false and exaggerated. I can't argue that because I simply do not know, but I'll take their word for it. If PBC were gonna exaggerate numbers, why not claim much higher numbers? Why do you believe PPV numbers for Turki fights aren't being disclosed?? For the record, I'm not disagreeing with anything you are saying, but was simply adding to dialogue of a subject that I find intriguing.

No, his fights are definitely not free, although they are more affordable. Like you, I'm interested in knowing how many folks are buying his fights, not to gloat or to ridicule, but rather to follow the popularity of the sport. Why the numbers aren't being revealed is a good question though. This conversation is going nowhere when there's zero info on PPV numbers when it comes to non-PBC fights. You mentioned earlier that the reason for this is because, in GBP's case, for instance, they're hiding the figures so that fighters would be kept from asking for more money. That's fair but what about in Turki's cards? Such motive is non-existent. Fighters are offered flat fees and according to Bob Arum, who admiringly says Turki negotiates with fighters individually and there's no such thing as purse % splits. They're asked to name their price and settles with Turki's final offer. Never heard of any report of fighters demanding upside money. You should be wondering why only PBC supporters come up with numbers, which are subject to verification. What's your theory? I have mentioned mine and simply concurred with others that such numbers are fake and exaggerated. If piracy is rampant, why is PBC still getting these huge numbers? And like others said, 100,000 PPV buys is massive compared to non-PBC fights which is basically zero.​ I would just leave it at that.

Turki is doing wonderful things in boxing, but that doesn't mean his fights are free. They're still being sold by authorized sellers in the US, I don't know who owns the rights to sell them and rights to go after pirates. And just as PBC fans are happy to see good PPV outcome, there are others who want to know what the PPV numbers are on Turki's cards. Like you said "there are still a good number of people" that buys PPVs because streams are choppy, etc. So again, where are the numbers of those who are buying? No, his fights are definitely not free, although they are more affordable. Like you, I'm interested in knowing how many folks are buying his fights, not to gloat or to ridicule, but rather to follow the popularity of the sport. Why the numbers aren't being revealed is a good question though.

Turki is doing wonderful things in boxing, but that doesn't mean his fights are free. They're still being sold by authorized sellers in the US, I don't know who owns the rights to sell them and rights to go after pirates. And just as PBC fans are happy to see good PPV outcome, there are others who want to know what the PPV numbers are on Turki's cards. Like you said "there are still a good number of people" that buys PPVs because streams are choppy, etc. So again, where are the numbers of those who are buying?

True, but we need real, authenticated numbers so we don't have to speculate. Not that I disagree with you, but here's what I believe. PPV numbers are important for knowing how much money fighters and promoters will be making. For fans, it is a reason to claim that our favorite fighter is the face of boxing or the most popular fighter, which is something that Ginger and Tank fans love bragging about. With Turki at the helm and putting on these stacked cards or loser agains loser, winner against winner tournaments, the need for an A side or B side is irrelevant because the focus is on boxing again and not on PPV sales. In a fight card that has Ryan, Haney, Teo and Boots in it, the focus is on who the better man is, not who the bigger draw is. Folks will be buying the card because of the whole package or who will be the king of the hill. The chatter will be about how fighter X is the baddest of 147 and not about how fighter X had the most fans paying for the fight. I honestly didn't think Turki was paying a lot more than what promoters are currently paying, but if Haney is willing to drop his lawsuit and Ryan is willing to go through VADA for PED testing, I have to believe that Turki must be paying a lot more than I thought. I don't think Turki nor any of the folks on the know will be posting PPV numbers because it won't be important anymore. The only thing that will matter are the actual fights themselves...

You are correct about all fights being pirated, it's inevitable, but there is still a good number of folks who buy fights because they want to watch a perfect stream and not a choppy stream or a stream that drops every few rounds. Not a huge number like there were when Floyd and Manny were fighting obviously, but a decent number. True, but we need real, authenticated numbers so we don't have to speculate.

No, it isn't illegal, but when you brag about how much you're making to a big audience(social media nowadays), it can and has triggered audits in the past. Audits can be rather expensive and scary, but as long as you keep proper records, things should be fine. I guess the point I was trying to make is that exaggerating or lying about PPV sales can lead to some unnecessary legal expenses. A good example is the Ryan, Devin, GBP circus. Oscar had to publicly announce that the fight did terrible numbers, at least in comparison to what they all had projected and to what the fighters were expecting. Shoot, one of the reasons for the Haney's suing GBP was for transparency of all the financial records, including the PPV numbers, because they don't believe that GBP paid them all they were due. I'm all for people getting summoned by the IRS for lying about figures. Let them sue such people. Again, I never saw any reported figures in the Garcia/Haney PPV fight. I would assume the reason is because only few bought them, the rest was pirated, which I could accept because piracy is real, instead of lying and reporting fantastic figures only the gullible would believe. Question is why would any normal person would assume certain fights are pirated and not others? Thieves are thieves no matter what.

Problem with that is no one takes any responsibility for the reported numbers. For example, one report says fighter A made $2 million, while another report says he made $25 million. Huge discrepancy. These are actual reports in Tank's fight with Martin. Then there are reports that say it sold 150K PPV, while another one says 300K to 350K. Which one would you believe? And why would believe one and not the other? And, as others mentioned, why was there no reported number in the Haney vs Garcia fight? As a side note, I don't know if there are laws in the US where it's illegal to lie about your income for negotiations purposes like negotiating a job salary. I don't even think it's illegal. No, it isn't illegal, but when you brag about how much you're making to a big audience(social media nowadays), it can and has triggered audits in the past. Audits can be rather expensive and scary, but as long as you keep proper records, things should be fine. I guess the point I was trying to make is that exaggerating or lying about PPV sales can lead to some unnecessary legal expenses. A good example is the Ryan, Devin, GBP circus. Oscar had to publicly announce that the fight did terrible numbers, at least in comparison to what they all had projected and to what the fighters were expecting. Shoot, one of the reasons for the Haney's suing GBP was for transparency of all the financial records, including the PPV numbers, because they don't believe that GBP paid them all they were due.

I don't know how it works in other countries, but in The States, those figures can determine the amount of money a boxer will make. The amount of money a fighter in The State makes has to be reported to the IRS. You can't be a celebrity boxer and claim you're making $30 million a fight and not expect to not have to claim that when you file your taxes. Celebrities in the past have gotten audited and charged for failure to claim the money they're making. It's called tax evasion... It definitely isn't wise to release those numbers if you don't want the IRS knowing how much you are making... Problem with that is no one takes any responsibility for the reported numbers. For example, one report says fighter A made $2 million, while another report says he made $25 million. Huge discrepancy. These are actual reports in Tank's fight with Martin. Then there are reports that say it sold 150K PPV, while another one says 300K to 350K. Which one would you believe? And why would believe one and not the other? And, as others mentioned, why was there no reported number in the Haney vs Garcia fight? As a side note, I don't know if there are laws in the US where it's illegal to lie about your income for negotiations purposes like negotiating a job salary. I don't even think it's illegal.