James Toney vs ?

He beat John Ruiz and drawed with Rahman. They are maybe a little below Tua but not that far below. No he didn’t beat John Ruiz. He doesn’t have a win over John Ruiz. He didn’t beat Rahman either as you’ve just stated. So again, no wins over a fighter on the level of Tua at HW so see no reason to believe it would start with him. He couldn’t even beat Sam Peter who is terrible.

Defense not all that good at HW to be honest. Tua isn’t slow at all either. Tua is the most winnable on the list but he still never showed he could beat anyone on Tua’s level at Heavyweight so I see no reason to think he could beat him. He beat John Ruiz and drawed with Rahman. They are maybe a little below Tua but not that far below.

He has a good defense and chin. Tua is slow and the reach is similar. Stylistically it is not a bad matchup for Toney Defense not all that good at HW to be honest. Tua isn’t slow at all either. Tua is the most winnable on the list but he still never showed he could beat anyone on Tua’s level at Heavyweight so I see no reason to think he could beat him.

What makes you think Toney has a "good chance" vs the likes of Tua? He couldn't beat fighters worse than Tua so why would you think he could do more against better fighters? He has a good defense and chin. Tua is slow and the reach is similar. Stylistically it is not a bad matchup for Toney

Who gives a s**t. Joshua is the weakest name on that list, and Toney imo would school him :lol1: Oh yeah great argument you fat fuck. Do you enjoy getting totally embarrassed?

James Toney's career is total fantasy to most of his "fans" who parrot this nonsense. There is no way any of them actually followed his career or have seen him fight other than youtube highlights. We have people, albeit thankfully very seldom, in this thread saying Toney would "school" AJ when Toney didn't "school" a single top level fighter in his entire career. Can't beat the likes of Sam Peter on two attempts or a finished Hasim Rahman and yet is somehow magically going to school and knock out AJ. Comical. This is the same guy who was easily beaten by unranked journeyman in his prime multiple times. People aren't even aware these things even happened and when its brought to their attention then just ignore it or make every excuse under the sun for it. I do strongly feel most of it must be based off his highlight reels as I don't know how else they come to such conclusions. Didn't he fail a few drug tests at the higher weights also? He couldn't even beat these terrible, out of shape and past prime HWs despite being roided up yet he is going to stand in front of the likes of David Tua and Foreman and get the better of them? Hmm lol He did & he received a fair few gift decisions to some pretty terrible fighters also I think its sometimes weird how we view or remember fighters or perhaps choose to? Like AJ for example will always be that guy who got stopped by Ruiz but people remember Toney for being so great but he could easily have maybe 4-5 or so losses in his prime mostly to journeymen.

Ok so is that the road you want to go down? That a 41 year old Holyfield who was 2-2-2 in his last 6 fights was a good win? Are you sure that is what you want to do? Who gives a s**t. Joshua is the weakest name on that list, and Toney imo would school him

So that means they are evenly matched by your account. No it doesn't because Andy Ruiz was a Top 10 ranked HW when he beat AJ who you're laughably trying to claim is a C level fighter. Whereas James Toney lost to UNRANKED JOURNEYMAN in his prime who weren't even E level fighters, possibly even lower. So that's not even is it. And it's not "my account" either because I'm not the one making that dumb argument, that's you. And you continue to keep making it despite the fact I've explained why it's a non argument ad nauseum. I have Toney schooling him Toney schooled NO ONE OF NOTE in his career.

No he hasn't but even if you have that opnion James Toney was beaten easily by UNRANKED JOURNEYMAN. Not even D or E level fighters. What part of that are you not understanding? So that means they are evenly matched by your account. I have Toney schooling him

Also an undisputed heavy champ and Joshua never beat anyone on his level skillwise Ok so is that the road you want to go down? That a 41 year old Holyfield who was 2-2-2 in his last 6 fights was a good win? Are you sure that is what you want to do?

Joshua has been ko'd by c fighters No he hasn't but even if you have that opinion James Toney was beaten easily by UNRANKED JOURNEYMAN in his prime. Not even D or E level fighters. What part of that are you not understanding?

I somehow forgot how awful Sam Peter was but yeah that is HW Toney. I don't know what it is about Toney though but he always seems to get really, horribly overrated in every sense. Its almost like people see his highlight reels (mostly against Barkley) and they really overrate everything about him, his defence especially and its like people talk of him like he was still the MW version when he moved through the weights, which really was not the case at all. Very good fighter just not at the higher weights and for me he certainly didn't have close to the best defence ever like I've seen many people claim (I think his chin is far more impressive than his defence - He got hit a heap in every fight). Even his skills are rather overrated for me, he was actually a pretty limited fighter. Agreed on all points. Will say, even the "Middleweight version" which is ironically the version his fans say is the "peak Toney" is the same Toney who drew with Sanderline Williams, lost to Dave Tiberi, arguably lost to Merqui Sosa, was very lucky to get a decision over Reggie Johnson after getting dropped and totally schooled for the first 5 rounds to an almost embarrassing level and totally dominated by Micheal Nunn for 10 rounds before pulling out a KO essentially out of no where.

Evander Holyfield was 41 years old and 2-2-2 in his last 6 fights Also an undisputed heavy champ and Joshua never beat anyone on his level skillwise

This is the same guy who was easily beaten by unranked journeyman in his prime multiple times. People aren't even aware these things even happened and when its brought to their attention then just ignore it or make every excuse under the sun for it. Joshua has been ko'd by c fighters

I somehow forgot how awful Sam Peter was but yeah that is HW Toney. I don't know what it is about Toney though but he always seems to get really, horribly overrated in every sense. Its almost like people see his highlight reels (mostly against Barkley) and they really overrate everything about him, his defence especially and its like people talk of him like he was still the MW version when he moved through the weights, which really was not the case at all. Very good fighter just not at the higher weights and for me he certainly didn't have close to the best defence ever like I've seen many people claim (I think his chin is far more impressive than his defence - He got hit a heap in every fight). Even his skills are rather overrated for me, he was actually a pretty limited fighter.

Toney never looked any good in the higher weight divisions let alone at HW where he was fat and totally immobile. HW Toney was kind of reminiscent of Kevin Johnson just stood static, no work rate, just eating shots, failing miserably at doing a shoulder roll. His whole style at HW was him just waiting and hoping you threw a right hand slow enough for him to eventually roll it and come back with his own. James Toney's career is total fantasy to most of his "fans" who parrot this nonsense. There is no way any of them actually followed his career or have seen him fight other than youtube highlights. We have people, albeit thankfully very seldom, in this thread saying Toney would "school" AJ when Toney didn't "school" a single top level fighter in his entire career. Can't beat the likes of Sam Peter on two attempts or a finished Hasim Rahman and yet is somehow magically going to school and knock out AJ. Comical. This is the same guy who was easily beaten by unranked journeyman in his prime multiple times. People aren't even aware these things even happened and when its brought to their attention then just ignore it or make every excuse under the sun for it.

Toney never looked any good in the higher weight divisions let alone at HW where he was fat and totally immobile. HW Toney was kind of reminiscent of Kevin Johnson just stood static, no work rate, just eating shots, failing miserably at doing a shoulder roll. His whole style at HW was him just waiting and hoping you threw a right hand slow enough for him to eventually roll it and come back with his own.

Slow down you making too much sense for somebody like Iron Dan Literally not one single logical point was made in that post you fool :lol1: Why do you keep returning to this thread? Haven't you been embarrassed enough?

Holyfield and Ruiz Joshua is a garbage fighter period. James Toney does not have a win over John Ruiz. How many times do you need to be told that? Evander Holyfield was 41 years old and 2-2-2 in his last 6 fights you moron :lol1: You are going to say that was a good win, are you? I'd be careful with your answer knowing your history of calling other fighters shot.

James Toney is GARBAGE at HW and literally beat no one of note there. Holyfield and Ruiz Joshua is a garbage fighter period.