Do you believe what Ennis is saying here?

I wasn't disagreeing with the IBF rules you posted and have never ruled out Eddie lying. I just don't like the way the Saudis go about business sometimes, although it seems to work for most as it pertains to making meaningful fights. I don't care how they do it, Boots next fight needs to be a unification. Any chance that Boots fights Haney next??? Some guy from Riverside I was having a discussion with mentioned something about those two guys going at it next. I didn't believe him but he seems to know a small time promoter in Southern California so I didn't argue with him.

https://www.boxingscene.com/jaron-ennis-vergil-ortiz-react-fight-falling-through--200455 147 division is DEAD. He has to move up to 54 and fight the ELITE otherwise he’s just pissing in the wind.

I don't think there was any of that "a week to decide" crap. All they had to do was petition the IBF and pay the sanctioning fees, and they could have made the fight and decided within a reasonable period after the fight if he won. It's not complicated. This is entirely Eddie lying and likely someone, whether that's Bozy or Boots, getting cold feet and ducking. I guarantee they knew the fight had to be at 154, unless they're total morons. Plus, I also guarantee you that Boots isn't going to get unifications, let alone undisputed, with Eddie at 147, unless Turki gets personally involved. Two of the other champs are at PBC and one is at Top Rank. And Turki wanted Ortiz for Boots, at 154. You're taking for granted things that simply aren't true. There's no way for Ortiz to be imposing a time limit on this. He had already signed his contract, and let's be clear, there's NEVER been even one opponent that Ortiz didn't say yes to. He's always been ready for the smoke. Meanwhile Ennis is on record numerous times avoiding big fights. At some point, you gotta call a duck, a duck. I copied you the exact wording from the IBF rules, but you can look them up yourself easily. They're right there on the IBF website for anyone to read. ​​​​​​ I wasn't disagreeing with the IBF rules you posted and have never ruled out Eddie lying. I just don't like the way the Saudis go about business sometimes, although it seems to work for most as it pertains to making meaningful fights. I don't care how they do it, Boots next fight needs to be a unification.

Correct. That was after they came back and said, "Sorry. The fight has to be at 154." Crimson says he wouldn't have had to drop the belt per IBF rules, but that's quite a decision to make in 48hrs. Money and a big time dangerous fight at 154 vs Undisputed at 147. A week to decide would have been nice. Yeah i knew Eddie was talking ****** about would need to drop belt. He just fought mando i highly doubt they would strip him for having 1 fight at 154. It is easy decision, when you have been claiming you'll go to 154 and want the big names. But Eddie has advised the team not to take it as doesn't want to risk the loss when he's got him signed to a few fight now. This way he think he can get Boots easier fights at 147 and get another belt. Whichever way you want to spin it. Eddie and Boots ducked Ortiz.

Correct. That was after they came back and said, "Sorry. The fight has to be at 154." Crimson says he wouldn't have had to drop the belt per IBF rules, but that's quite a decision to make in 48hrs. Money and a big time dangerous fight at 154 vs Undisputed at 147. A week to decide would have been nice. I don't think there was any of that "a week to decide" crap. All they had to do was petition the IBF and pay the sanctioning fees, and they could have made the fight and decided within a reasonable period after the fight if he won. It's not complicated. This is entirely Eddie lying and likely someone, whether that's Bozy or Boots, getting cold feet and ducking. I guarantee they knew the fight had to be at 154, unless they're total morons. Plus, I also guarantee you that Boots isn't going to get unifications, let alone undisputed, with Eddie at 147, unless Turki gets personally involved. Two of the other champs are at PBC and one is at Top Rank. And Turki wanted Ortiz for Boots, at 154. You're taking for granted things that simply aren't true. There's no way for Ortiz to be imposing a time limit on this. He had already signed his contract, and let's be clear, there's NEVER been even one opponent that Ortiz didn't say yes to. He's always been ready for the smoke. Meanwhile Ennis is on record numerous times avoiding big fights. At some point, you gotta call a duck, a duck. I copied you the exact wording from the IBF rules, but you can look them up yourself easily. They're right there on the IBF website for anyone to read. ​​​​​​

Also Eddie himself said Boots needs to choose between fighting at 154 or droppinh 147 belt, so he knew offer was for 154. Correct. That was after they came back and said, "Sorry. The fight has to be at 154." Crimson says he wouldn't have had to drop the belt per IBF rules, but that's quite a decision to make in 48hrs. Money and a big time dangerous fight at 154 vs Undisputed at 147. A week to decide would have been nice.

Of course somebody is lying here. Probably multiple someones, all on Team Ennis. First, Eddie is 100% lying. It's literally in the rules that Ennis could take the fight at 154 without giving up his title. Ortiz and his promoters simply don't have the power to dictate that. That's a completely verifiable lie from Eddie. Second issue is whether or not Ennis is aware of his own business dealings or not. If he isn't, he's an idiot. Otherwise, he's lying. They said, on video, that they wanted to fight Ortiz at 154, and there's nothing at all in the IBF rules to prevent that fight from happening, since he just satisfied his mandatory. Third issue is who is lying about wanting the fight at 147. Think about that honestly. 1. Is anyone from Ortiz' side likely to offer a fight at a weight that he's consistently proven he can't make and nearly died trying to make? Really?? 2. Who does it benefit, trying to have the fight at 147, when, again, Ortiz can't make the weight and would either be critically drained, or have to withdraw from the fight or at minimum pay a penalty to Ennis for a catchweight fight? Ennis is the only one who benefits from the fight being at 147. So why would that demand come from Ortiz? Can you honestly say that it's more likely for Ortiz' side to make a life threatening mistake in the contract than it is for Eddie, who has already proven he is a liar about this fight, and, as you said, was willing to try to drag Benavidez down to 160, to try to shift the blame to the other side? I wouldn't be surprised if someone wanted the fight at 147, but I am 100% confident that person was either Eddie, or someone from Team Ennis. And please, don't pretend anyone except Ennis cares about his trash email title. I don't think for a second any of this falls on the Ortiz camp. I do think this was a strongarm attempt to get Boots's name to paper. If Boots goal is undisputed at 147, then of course the title matters. Personally, I dgaf about any of the belts. I just want to see good fights.

Ennis always gets away with his lies. He likes saying things people around want to hear. When he heard Crawford was fighting Avanesyan, he was all over the social media saying he could have accepted the offer in a heartbeat. You'd wonder why he didn't pursue his mandatory spot in the first place. Later when the Avanesyan fight was over, BLK of course remembering Ennis rants and complains made an offer but was rejected, with the Ennises claiming loyalty to Showtime.

I'm obviously very high on Boots and not really been following it in all honesty but I don't believe a word he says, no. There is always something with this guy, always.

Now add in Hearn saying that the original offer was for a fight at 147. They lined up a replacement for Ortiz awfully quick. My gut feeling is that Hearn is telling the truth. Turki may put on good bouts, but he's shady in a way. I don't trust him. A wise man once said I'll make him an offer he can't refuse. That mans name is Turki Corleone. Turki makes fight quick for the simple reason, they make fighters a financial offer they can only dream off, way more in comparison to what their usual next fight payday would have been had Saudi not been involved. No shadyness we know they pay a premium, and are given a short timeframe take it or leave it deadline. Majority take it as the offers are too good to refuse.

Now add in Hearn saying that the original offer was for a fight at 147. They lined up a replacement for Ortiz awfully quick. My gut feeling is that Hearn is telling the truth. Turki may put on good bouts, but he's shady in a way. I don't trust him. Eddie talks shit the most and a lot of you don"t see through it.why tf would anyone think Ortiz can fight again at 147 after prev health issues that is bullshit. Also Eddie himself said Boots needs to choose between fighting at 154 or droppinh 147 belt, so he knew offer was for 154.

Even Boots father was on it according to some posters here. Ennis just ducked.

NOPE, not 1 ****ing bit of it. Email Ennis and his team offered Conwell a fight at 154 but Conwell turned them down. Did he really??

Boots is one of the most mismanaged boxer around. He will have to take a page from David Benavides and forge his own path.

https://www.boxingscene.com/jaron-ennis-vergil-ortiz-react-fight-falling-through--200455 NOPE, not 1 fucking bit of it. Email Ennis and his team offered Conwell a fight at 154 but Conwell turned them down.

Now that Boots is officially left out of the Feb 22nd card, I'm wondering who and when he'll fight next....

Well then, somebody is lying here because it's not making sense. Maybe a contract wasn't officially sent, but a verbal offer was made. After all, he did offer up a Bud Crawford fight to Benavidez at 160, according to David. That's just as ridiculous as dragging Ortiz back down to a weight that almost killed him. Of course somebody is lying here. Probably multiple someones, all on Team Ennis. First, Eddie is 100% lying. It's literally in the rules that Ennis could take the fight at 154 without giving up his title. Ortiz and his promoters simply don't have the power to dictate that. That's a completely verifiable lie from Eddie. Second issue is whether or not Ennis is aware of his own business dealings or not. If he isn't, he's an idiot. Otherwise, he's lying. They said, on video, that they wanted to fight Ortiz at 154, and there's nothing at all in the IBF rules to prevent that fight from happening, since he just satisfied his mandatory. Third issue is who is lying about wanting the fight at 147. Think about that honestly. 1. Is anyone from Ortiz' side likely to offer a fight at a weight that he's consistently proven he can't make and nearly died trying to make? Really?? 2. Who does it benefit, trying to have the fight at 147, when, again, Ortiz can't make the weight and would either be critically drained, or have to withdraw from the fight or at minimum pay a penalty to Ennis for a catchweight fight? Ennis is the only one who benefits from the fight being at 147. So why would that demand come from Ortiz? Can you honestly say that it's more likely for Ortiz' side to make a life threatening mistake in the contract than it is for Eddie, who has already proven he is a liar about this fight, and, as you said, was willing to try to drag Benavidez down to 160, to try to shift the blame to the other side? I wouldn't be surprised if someone wanted the fight at 147, but I am 100% confident that person was either Eddie, or someone from Team Ennis. And please, don't pretend anyone except Ennis cares about his trash email title.

Lmao typical bltch Can't argue with facts so you resort to pathetic insults :lol1: eat shlt pathetic loser You're a joke, kid. Seriously.

You're so fvkcing pathetic boy :rofl: As pathetic as you following me around like a lost puppy. Go check your Grindr account for hopeful matches, bitch boy.

That's nonsense. Not even how it works. He just fought his mandatory. He's eligible to fight a voluntary fight, just would have to petition the IBF and pay the sanctioning fees. He wouldn't have to consider vacating his title unless he won the fight and then they'd ask him to choose if he wants to keep competing in the 154lb division or not. It's not even a believable lie from Eddie because it's right there in the rules: "5.I. Non-Championship Contests Nothing in these Rules shall be considered to prohibit a Champion from engaging in an over the weight limit non-championship or non-title contest so long as he shall otherwise be in full compliance with all other applicable requirements of these Rules. Any and all bouts shall be concluded at least sixty (60) days prior to the date the Champion's mandatory is due." He just completed his mandatory. Next one isn't due for 9 months. He's allowed to compete in an over 147 non title bout. Period. If he truly didn't get informed about the possibility of the bout, Eddie is a terrible promoter and Ennis is an idiot. Otherwise, this is a flat duck. Not to mention, the whole boxing world knows Ortiz Jr nearly died from trying to make 147 and won't ever fight at that weight again. There's zero chance they'd send a contract for 147. Much higher chance that Ennis got cold feet, asked Eddie to make the fight at a weight they know Ortiz can't make so they'd have an excuse to bow out. Well then, somebody is lying here because it's not making sense. Maybe a contract wasn't officially sent, but a verbal offer was made. After all, he did offer up a Bud Crawford fight to Benavidez at 160, according to David. That's just as ridiculous as dragging Ortiz back down to a weight that almost killed him.