Does Joshua starting late at age 18 explain why he was helpless against Usyk in technical boxing?

Joshua needed his running shoes and a refs help to 'win' over the distance v Parker. Not even starting boxing in the womb can overcome that. Joshua also never got close to putting a dent in Parker despite knocking out every one in all his previous fights. He also never gave Parker a rematch and has ducked him ever since. Ha ha, Parker would best josh now for real

I can't remember much about Olympic final fight, but I remember thinking home advantage is useful. Wlad really rated Josh though, which made me think wlad might know something the people who criticised Josh didnt. But I remember Parker saying he boxed from a young age before he fought josh, and at the time I was thinking that might give him the edge. But Josh still best parker? So we can conclude Josh can best people who've boxed longer than him, as most likely all the fighters Josh beat, had boxed since kids Joshua needed his running shoes and a refs help to 'win' over the distance v Parker. Not even starting boxing in the womb can overcome that. Joshua also never got close to putting a dent in Parker despite knocking out every one in all his previous fights. He also never gave Parker a rematch and has ducked him ever since.

That Olympic gold was BS. His opponent got robbed. The wlad win was legit and he had balls back then. He fought like a middleweight against Usyk. I can't remember much about Olympic final fight, but I remember thinking home advantage is useful. Wlad really rated Josh though, which made me think wlad might know something the people who criticised Josh didnt. But I remember Parker saying he boxed from a young age before he fought josh, and at the time I was thinking that might give him the edge. But Josh still best parker? So we can conclude Josh can best people who've boxed longer than him, as most likely all the fighters Josh beat, had boxed since kids

You say above " Joshua keeps trying to alter his game. " That's an excellent observation actually. Again it comes down to someone understanding the real essence of simplicity. It's not a bad thing. So naturally Joshua sees how technically lacks certain skills while he fights Usyk... He makes an assumption that this has to do with his own technical inabilities. If you notice a fighter like Marciano would never make such an assumption. He fought fighters like Archie Moore who were really making him look like an amateur for a lot of the rounds yet he never changed his approach. ​​​​​​Yes looking at the fight it's hard for Joshua to understand what was close and where he was really lacking unless he can do so objectively. Yes, sometimes it's better to stick with what you know, with a tweak here and there. I imagine that AJ hiring different trainers was an attempt to address his deficiencies, but trying to reinvent the wheel doesn't work. And several different points of view can confuse a fighter.

I believe Joshua is a well-skilled boxer with big power. However, I also believe that Usyk is an excellently skilled boxer, and Joshua just cannot seem to beat the guy. I believe he keeps trying to alter his game, which in itself may cause him problems, because it's such a stark departure from what got him to the championship level. While evolving as a boxer may be beneficial, trying to learn a new style can be detrimental. I agree with you though; Joshua lost to one of the best in the business, and not by a large margin. He deserves credit for that. You say above " Joshua keeps trying to alter his game. " That's an excellent observation actually. Again it comes down to someone understanding the real essence of simplicity. It's not a bad thing. So naturally Joshua sees how technically lacks certain skills while he fights Usyk... He makes an assumption that this has to do with his own technical inabilities. If you notice a fighter like Marciano would never make such an assumption. He fought fighters like Archie Moore who were really making him look like an amateur for a lot of the rounds yet he never changed his approach. ​​​​​​Yes looking at the fight it's hard for Joshua to understand what was close and where he was really lacking unless he can do so objectively.

TBH, I think with AJ it usually comes down to his mental state. He loses the fight in his head before he ever gets in the ring. Some of that is a lack of confidence. If you really don't have confidence in what you're doing it will show when the pressure is on. ​

I don't know why you are so hung up on IQ. There's nothing Joshua says that indicates he is any less intelligent than Fury. To me it just looks like the wrong decision. He should have stuck to the style that makes use of his bodybuilding. Power based. Not IQ. Some people are intelligent body learners. Some people have very high reasoning ability intellectually but have ret rdd physical learning capabilities. So it has nothing to do with how intelligent somebody is intellectually. I just want to make sure you understand my point before you disagree with it and raise a point that I'm not making.

But it could be that Usyk is simply more talented. We don't know that without rewindijg the tape? Maybe it would have made no difference? ​ Could be? lol....it's facts Usyk is not just simply more talented but EXTREMELY more talented.

How many HWs currently CAN beat Usyk in a straight up technical boxing match? i'd say zero.

TBH, I think with AJ it usually comes down to his mental state. He loses the fight in his head before he ever gets in the ring.

manny steward kept vlads whiskers out of harms way for a lot of the time & wlad always looked very confident on his ring walks in the ring etc, unlike AJ who looks a bit shook now entering the ring to me at times anyway, his reactions would be slower if this is the case

You're only as good as the set of whiskers you're born with. Punch resistance isn't something you're taught. Joshua doesnt take shots as good as Usyk or Parker or Fury and now Dubois. AJ's chin has been cracked. It's staying cracked.

If you do something that all 8,186,000,000 people alive are invied to do, that all 8,186,000,000 people have ready access to doing; and that "thing" pays you in excess of $83 million as an enticement to try.......I don't see how coming in number 3 or 4 can be interpreted as having some sort of a deficiency. Usyk was one of about 3 or 4 men on earth who is capable of beating Joshua under the rules that history claims matter. Who can say if starting at 12 might have pushed him any higher? My guess is that he beat out the odds as well as he could.​ I believe Joshua is a well-skilled boxer with big power. However, I also believe that Usyk is an excellently skilled boxer, and Joshua just cannot seem to beat the guy. I believe he keeps trying to alter his game, which in itself may cause him problems, because it's such a stark departure from what got him to the championship level. While evolving as a boxer may be beneficial, trying to learn a new style can be detrimental. I agree with you though; Joshua lost to one of the best in the business, and not by a large margin. He deserves credit for that.

“Parker, for me, I think of the heavyweights he will go down in history.” He’s had his trials and tribulations and he just comes back stronger and stronger. Obviously, I’ll fight him if I need to, but aside from that, I take my hat off to him. He’s one you can learn from." - Anthony Joshua ________________ Parker started throwing leather - with his Dad - aged 3 and joined a boxing gym aged 10. There's a lot to be learnt so starting early definitely has its advantages. He's not good enough for Teddy Atlas to include among Joshua wins. "who did he beat, Charles Martin? An old Wlad?" /Atlas

“Parker, for me, I think of the heavyweights he will go down in history.” He’s had his trials and tribulations and he just comes back stronger and stronger. Obviously, I’ll fight him if I need to, but aside from that, I take my hat off to him. He’s one you can learn from." - Anthony Joshua ________________ Parker started throwing leather - with his Dad - aged 3 and joined a boxing gym aged 10. There's a lot to be learnt so starting early definitely has its advantages.

For what it's worth, Larry Holmes who hates everybody, felt Joshua had some of that old school greatness. Joshua would KO Mike Tyson https://leadership.ng/joshua-would-h...-larry-holmes/

Yeah that is because imitating something it's not really the same as doing it naturally and effectively. When Joshua is himself he's a pretty basic guy. Therefore he may well be able to imitate something a trainer shows him what's really own it and make it his own? Different story entirely. An excellent contrast is the gypsy king. You could see him incorporate what his trainer trained him to do against wilder when he was going for the knockout. He had found a way to make that work for him. AJ just does not have that intelligence to do that. I don't know why you are so hung up on IQ. There's nothing Joshua says that indicates he is any less intelligent than Fury. To me it just looks like the wrong decision. He should have stuck to the style that makes use of his bodybuilding. Power based.

Makes you wonder how he became Olympic champ and beat wlad at times? Not really. The Olympic amateur style of fighting is extremely basic. Some guys who are very technically gifted can take that style and make it work for them but it's a very different result. USYK for example. Vlad arguably was never truly exceptional. Certainly he is not technically gifted compared to a fighter like USYK. That's not necessarily to say basic is bad. But there is no consequences against the fighter who cannot take apart a basic fighter. Remember when Bernard Hopkins fought Kelly pavlik? Those were consequences regarding fighting a gifted technical fighter. With Vlad, Joshua just used his willpower and his natural gifts against a guy whom has a default strategy of hugging his opponent to tie him up so he doesn't get knocked out.

It feels like watching Joshua fight Usyk that Aj is trying to be imitate someone else, rather than just be himself. It looks stiff. He claims he did that because he did not survive slugg fests But he almost got knocked out anyway by usyk so it doesnt matter. Better to hedge your bets ​​​​ Yeah that is because imitating something it's not really the same as doing it naturally and effectively. When Joshua is himself he's a pretty basic guy. Therefore he may well be able to imitate something a trainer shows him what's really own it and make it his own? Different story entirely. An excellent contrast is the gypsy king. You could see him incorporate what his trainer trained him to do against wilder when he was going for the knockout. He had found a way to make that work for him. AJ just does not have that intelligence to do that.

Makes you wonder how he became Olympic champ and beat wlad at times? That Olympic gold was BS. His opponent got robbed. The wlad win was legit and he had balls back then. He fought like a middleweight against Usyk.