Whose taking over when Canelo Retires?

To be fair AJ and Fury fighting in front of bigger crowds doesn't equal world wide views. I still think Canelo is higher in that regards. Of course AJ and Fury would be massive in the UK. All of the UK tunes in. It's what happens living on an island. Fish bowl lifestyle. Easy to attach yourself to the biggest thing you got going on. It doesn't mean the entire world is following the same way the island does. I dont think its just the UK though. When AJ, Fury (also Usyk) fight its on at a reasonable time for the entirety of Europe, Africa and parts of Asia. When Canelo fights its in the early hours of a Sunday morning for those places. There hasnt been an inarguably global star in boxing since Floyd and Pac anyway, then Mike before that.

This is what I'm thinking too. Times have changed. It's just like how Mayweather (or whomever whatever you want to attribute this new boxing mentality to) changed a generation of young boxers' mentalities. Maybe it won't be the same again. Likewise, without weekly boxing for the masses, what chance is there that people will know and support andbody broadly? That age might just be gone. Maybe its just a boutique sport, important only to real fans and some infantile keyboard warriors stuck in their parents' basements, who think fanning a particular boxer gives them relevance in the world. (That last part is just an observation of weird posters here, not you dude.) Nowadays, boxing has turned into a lottery sport. It only takes getting that 1 mega payday to set you up. You get it and you're out. Fighters don't have the same old school mentality to take on the boogyman and dare to be great. Not to mention, keep the fire burning inside no matter the success and money. It takes a rare recipe to continue for so long to be great. I feel like Mayweather did it to prove haters wrong over and over, not to mention ego. Pacquiao did it to bring honor to his entire country as though they were on his back. Not to mention he genuinely loved the sport and to fight. (Listen to his latest interview with Radio Rahim in Saudi. He wants to face anyone at his weight and isn't scared of anyone, even Tank. He said he loves the sport and wants to continue). That said, without the proper ingredients to come together in a fighter, we might never see another mayweather or Pacquiao ever again in our lifetime.

Even so, I never felt he was this big worldwide star people make out because I know people in countries outside of the UK and America and he doesn't really move the needle anywhere else I don't think there's been absolute worldwide stars in boxing since Prime Mayweather and Pacquiao After they retired or at least got old, I think boxing was desperate for a new star, so they just pinned it on Canelo but I don't think he was on the same level as them. His pay-per-view numbers were like 300,000 outside of the big fights like Golovkin, it's not really that good for a supposed biggest star. I agree in that it was pinned on Canelo and that his career is no where close to the likes of Pacquiao and mayweather. Though Canelo was already being groomed early on to be the next best thing. He kept winning and in some cases spectacularly, so it was obvious who was becoming more and more the face as Pacquiao and mayweather faded into retirement.

No one. Without HBO and Showtime out of the game it is very difficult to build any mainstream stars. They throw these young guys on PPV before anyone outside of hardcore boxing fans know who they are and wonder why the events don’t do numbers on PPV. Boxing is in a bad spot and will be even more niche the next decade. This is what I'm thinking too. Times have changed. It's just like how Mayweather (or whomever whatever you want to attribute this new boxing mentality to) changed a generation of young boxers' mentalities. Maybe it won't be the same again. Likewise, without weekly boxing for the masses, what chance is there that people will know and support andbody broadly? That age might just be gone. Maybe its just a boutique sport, important only to real fans and some infantile keyboard warriors stuck in their parents' basements, who think fanning a particular boxer gives them relevance in the world. (That last part is just an observation of weird posters here, not you dude.)

I have no answer to this question.

To be fair AJ and Fury fighting in front of bigger crowds doesn't equal world wide views. I still think Canelo is higher in that regards. Of course AJ and Fury would be massive in the UK. All of the UK tunes in. It's what happens living on an island. Fish bowl lifestyle. Easy to attach yourself to the biggest thing you got going on. It doesn't mean the entire world is following the same way the island does. Canelo has crossed many boundaries in the sport over his years. He basically became a name facing Mayweather when he was what? 22 years old? Since then, eyes have been on him and he only got more and more popular with his wins. Even so, I never felt he was this big worldwide star people make out because I know people in countries outside of the UK and America and he doesn't really move the needle anywhere else I don't think there's been absolute worldwide stars in boxing since Prime Mayweather and Pacquiao After they retired or at least got old, I think boxing was desperate for a new star, so they just pinned it on Canelo but I don't think he was on the same level as them. His pay-per-view numbers were like 300,000 outside of the big fights like Golovkin, it's not really that good for a supposed biggest star.

A Youtuber has already taken over boxing. And only after fighting 1 active "fighter" Caught that L and not looking for a rematch :lol1: The next face has to be young and established. If Ryan can get his shlt together......

Take over from what? Canelo is only big in the US and Mexico where the popularity of the sport is dwindling anyway. The rest of the world don't care about him. The likes of Fury and AJ have been fighting in front of bigger crowds than Canelo. To be fair AJ and Fury fighting in front of bigger crowds doesn't equal world wide views. I still think Canelo is higher in that regards. Of course AJ and Fury would be massive in the UK. All of the UK tunes in. It's what happens living on an island. Fish bowl lifestyle. Easy to attach yourself to the biggest thing you got going on. It doesn't mean the entire world is following the same way the island does. Canelo has crossed many boundaries in the sport over his years. He basically became a name facing Mayweather when he was what? 22 years old? Since then, eyes have been on him and he only got more and more popular with his wins.

A Youtuber has already taken over boxing.

I can't think of any. That's why the thought of these fighters begging for Canelo's attention thinking they'll inherit the Mexican superstar's PPV appeal is cringe worthy. Bivol beat him with no controversy, yet the Russian fighter barely moved the needle in terms of becoming an attraction. He even had a hard time taking a stay-busy fight after the win.​ Yeah it's a sad state of affairs. All the Americans are ducking frauds or else padded record hype jobs. Crawford and Usyk are old af. There really isn't anyone left.

Take over as what? Being simultaneously the face and disgrace of boxing?

To be fair, Tommy Fury was one handed. I know some people close to him and he had been carrying a bad hand injury for a while but went ahead with it so he didn't lose the payday, same with the KSI fight. He finally got surgery on his hand after those fights Not that Tommy is that good anyway, so Jake lost to a pretty low level one handed boxer who wasn't able to put anything behind his right hand. Let's see if his power is any better now. Lyndon Arthur said Tommy Fury was the hardest puncher he sparred. Shane McGuigan did some training with him and said he hits hard. So it's probably clear he's needed surgery for a while. Yeah, I think that was the most exposure Tommy was ever going to get in his career at this point and Jake isn't bout to rematch him anytime soon or probably ever. He'll continue to get hopeless dudes to face him and continue to make himself look incredible to his followers that don't follow the sport or understand that he's facing these hopeless dudes. They see a W as a W for him and that's all they care about it.

That 5% I left out of the of the 100% being laughable was Tommy Fury. We saw what happens when he faced a young, in his prime boxer. Too bad Tommy didn't have much pop. To be fair, Tommy Fury was one handed. I know some people close to him and he had been carrying a bad hand injury for a while but went ahead with it so he didn't lose the payday, same with the KSI fight. He finally got surgery on his hand after those fights Not that Tommy is that good anyway, so Jake lost to a pretty low level one handed boxer who wasn't able to put anything behind his right hand. Let's see if his power is any better now. Lyndon Arthur said Tommy Fury was the hardest puncher he sparred. Shane McGuigan did some training with him and said he hits hard. So it's probably clear he's needed surgery for a while.

Take over from what? Canelo is only big in the US and Mexico where the popularity of the sport is dwindling anyway. The rest of the world don't care about him. The likes of Fury and AJ have been fighting in front of bigger crowds than Canelo.

You have no idea what you're talking about or looking at if you think Pereira is stiff and hittable. His style is predicated on not getting hit and countering, and he's one of the loosest, most relaxed fighters in all of combat sports. Which is why it's so hard to hit him clean, and why he can spar pro boxers and give them good work. He's sparred the likes of Dempsey McKean and Zhang Zhilei and they both had a lot of good things to say about his ability. Heck, he was an amateur boxer before anything, with a 100% KO rate iirc. Ive watched him since he first went to Glory like a decade ago. He is flat footed, upright,not very quick and doesnt have the best chin either. His way above average size, range and power for the weight classes he competes in (plus him competing against pretty basic MMA strikers) are the main reason hes effective. His kicks and knees are a big part of his game as well and that dual threat makes it easier for him to land punches than if it was pure boxing. Did you forget he got knocked out cold last year by a fading 185'er too? basic AF journeyman striker Khalil just gave him a decent fight as well. He has zero chance of getting anywhere in boxing outside of leveraging his name into a few paydays Ngannou style.

Who's taking over when Canelo Retires? I can't think of any. That's why the thought of these fighters begging for Canelo's attention thinking they'll inherit the Mexican superstar's PPV appeal is cringe worthy. Bivol beat him with no controversy, yet the Russian fighter barely moved the needle in terms of becoming an attraction. He even had a hard time taking a stay-busy fight after the win.​

That 5% I left out of the of the 100% being laughable was Tommy Fury. We saw what happens when he faced a young, in his prime boxer. Too bad Tommy didn't have much pop. And that was only Tommy Fury lol Imagine a skilled fighter

Netflix said it did 46m streams, smashed all records. I'm not sure whether Mike Tyson or Jake Paul was the primary draw though. Does Tyson v Logan Paul do similar numbers? Possibly, but does Jake Paul do those numbers with anyone else? That's not going to happen though, is it?​ Not as long as their are suckers out there who believe he’s the best thing since sliced bread lol

That’s what 20 million followers gets you BUT when he does fight a legitimate fight or fighter should I say , that will totally change everything That 5% I left out of the of the 100% being laughable was Tommy Fury. We saw what happens when he faced a young, in his prime boxer. Too bad Tommy didn't have much pop.

High level analysis right there. Is he wrong though, is Tank the next most popular fighter in North America by the numbers?​