I was having this conversation with a friend so I wanted to bring it here. How would you rank Haney, Inuoe, Beterbiev, Usyk, and Bud STRICTLY off popularity/drawing power.
BTW the conversation started because we were looking at youtube #s and Beterbiev-Bivol has 1.4m views after 4 days and Bud-Spence has 1.9m views after 2 months.
Usyk is by far the most globally recognisable of those guys. Inoue is a phenomenon in Japan but I honestly feel like if you had him walk the streets in most other places he'd be recognised the least out of the names listed.
Inoue is probably bigger. In the US Inoue would sell more tickets than Usyk. In the UK fans will just turn up for both
Well now I would put Bud at number 1 since he fought on Netflix he is the most famous in the US
agree with this order. inoue is big in japan. Usyk def the biggest. Bud is still pretty unknown, i mean hell the camera crew / producers for UFC who does fight sports, thought he was kendrick lamar. could you imagine them mistaking de la hoya for mario lopez? of course not because de la hoya is famous enough on his own
Inoue is probably bigger. In the US Inoue would sell more tickets than Usyk. In the UK fans will just turn up for both
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Because Canelo is clearly levels above all of them so it was no reason to include him. Josh Taylor and Jermell Charlo aren't popular enough to include them in the convo.
u mean u forgot about them
There some reason you aren't counting Canelo, Josh Taylor, and Jermell Charlo, who all went undisputed?
Because Canelo is clearly levels above all of them so it was no reason to include him. Josh Taylor and Jermell Charlo aren't popular enough to include them in the convo.
bud dont care about that any more or at all if he did arum paid him 3 mil a fight i think and says he lost money on all his fights lol!! blk paid bud 10 mil or something very large he made a lot of cash v spence and he got paid by the sauids i think for madrimov and now wants canelo!!! hes not into building his brand he gets paid anyway good luck to him i say i suppose hes done well
And he headlined 9 hbo cards before the espn deal.
Guaranteed purses > everything
There some reason you aren't counting Canelo, Josh Taylor, and Jermell Charlo, who all went undisputed?
We know canelo is the most popular. And charlo and Taylor are the least popular.
There is no debate there
I was having this conversation with a friend so I wanted to bring it here. How would you rank Haney, Inuoe, Beterbiev, Usyk, and Bud STRICTLY off popularity/drawing power.
BTW the conversation started because we were looking at youtube #s and Beterbiev-Bivol has 1.4m views after 4 days and Bud-Spence has 1.9m views after 2 months.
1. Inoue is an icon in Japan
2. Bud is well known espeically post Spence
3. Usyk
4. Beterbiev.
Usyk
Inoue
Bud
Beterbiev
Haney
In terms of names that can sell decent of their own name would be
AJ Fury Canelo R.Garcia Tank.
They're the main 5 i can think of with that "star" power that can command good gate sales of their own name
Out of sight, out of mind. This applies in boxing, especially among the casuals. The less they see of you, the less they remember you exist or care to tune in to the next match when you finally decide to come back.
bud dont care about that any more or at all if he did arum paid him 3 mil a fight i think and says he lost money on all his fights lol!! blk paid bud 10 mil or something very large he made a lot of cash v spence and he got paid by the sauids i think for madrimov and now wants canelo!!! hes not into building his brand he gets paid anyway good luck to him i say i suppose hes done well
I was having this conversation with a friend so I wanted to bring it here. How would you rank Haney, Inuoe, Beterbiev, Usyk, and Bud STRICTLY off popularity/drawing power.
BTW the conversation started because we were looking at youtube #s and Beterbiev-Bivol has 1.4m views after 4 days and Bud-Spence has 1.9m views after 2 months.
The reason for this is because Beterbiev-Bivol had dropped like immediately after the match happened if I recall. Bud-Spence, the match was over a year old by the time it finally dropped. Most people already seen it in crap quality from other YT channels. Bet vs Biv was still fresh in people's mind, not to mention the upcoming rematch would entice folks to rewatch the first bout to see what they're going to expect in the rematch.
Otherwise, ranking the people listed based on popularity/drawing power, I would say Usyk has a huge following wherever he seems to fight, but he also has solid dance partners. The general census is that MOST boxing fans love his personality and ring presence. Inoue I still think is not a massive draw in the US because his fights air at like 6am. Otherwise, he's probably the biggest fighter from Japan in recent memory.
Beterbiev has his fans, but I don't think he's a megastar either. Same with Bivol, though combined, they have enough fans to get a good crowd when they fight. Haney is meh. He'll only be as popular as the fans that show up for his dance partner.
Bud has a fan following even before fighting Spence Jr., but beating Spence Jr. should of taken him to new heights. I'd say he blew the momentum by sitting out over a year since facing Spence. It was a really bad decision to do if he really wanted to capitalize on what he had just did.
Out of sight, out of mind. This applies in boxing, especially among the casuals. The less they see of you, the less they remember you exist or care to tune in to the next match when you finally decide to come back.
I was having this conversation with a friend so I wanted to bring it here. How would you rank Haney, Inuoe, Beterbiev, Usyk, and Bud STRICTLY off popularity/drawing power.
BTW the conversation started because we were looking at youtube #s and Beterbiev-Bivol has 1.4m views after 4 days and Bud-Spence has 1.9m views after 2 months.
- - Heinie and his crack daddy are the leaks in the outhouse. Poor Bud looking and acting like a rattlesnake has few fans.
Inoue has a crazed following from day one and always delivers in spades
Beter and Bivol boxed ama for Russia, thus in the US and UK they a bunch of no account commies, but they do have a significant following of purists and and fans.
Usyk now has a significant following after taking over the heavy slot and turning Blubber into whale oil. Gets the Ukraine sympathy vote also.
Inoue and Usyk at the top. Then Bud and Beterbiev. I might even put Beterbiev over Bud because Bud isn't really a big draw, while Beterbiev is the KO artist. Haney in a distant 10th place. Canelo still likely tops them all, and if Haney's on here, Canelo should be also. I personally think Teo has as good a claim as Haney to be on here, and Haney robbed Loma blind to boot. Josh Taylor as well, and Jermell Charlo.
1. Usyk and it’s not even close. Usyk was unstoppable at Cruiserweight, possibly the best Cruiserweight of all time. Then he went up to Heavyweight and unified against someone with SUBSTANTIAL weight and reach and height advantages. He also has two wins over Anthony Joshua, and a win over Daniel du Bois, who looks like he’ll end up the new face of the Heavyweight division from the next generation. Also, Usyk is undefeated. And as if that wasn’t enough, he also fought in the Russo-Ukrainian War and is an icon in his home country, even bigger than their president. He’s basically like Pacquiao in terms of fame, only if Pacquiao had been better boxer.
2. Inoue. He looks fairly close to being invincible and he’s raising his stock by moving up the weight classes and taking more names. He is a superstar in his home country, and a big name outside of it, at least with boxing purists, who often compare him to the legends of old in terms of his style and skill.
3. Beterbiev is part of the proud tradition of Chechnya’s Musulman athletes and wrestlers/boxers. He is one of the most brutal punchers of our time, but with great fundamentals as well. He is famous in his own land and among his own people, and with boxing purists outside of it as well.
4. Bud. I’d rank him higher, but I feel like his stock has dropped to some degree since peaking after his comprehensive domination of Errol Spence.
5. Haney. Everyone saw what happened in his fight with that blustery, alcoholic, skirt-chasing brawler. Even though the result was changed because of the steroid complaint, I really don’t think his career can recover from that. It’s not like he lost to a prime PrettyBoy or Oscar or maybe even Tank, in which case there’d probably be a lot more respect for going out on his shield to a legend.
If you count strictly drawing power of them alone to sell tickets in their strongest locations disregarding the quality of opponent, I'd say out of those 5 Inoue in Tokyo actually might be the biggest draw individually given the situation right now.
Basically Inoue fighting a voluntary against Doheny got him to fill up the majority Ariake Arena, which is a 15000 full capacity. Even if you consider the fans of undercards adding a few handful, its arguable to say that by the fact of Inoue fighting in Tokyo region is good enough to pull 10k as the minimum because I doubt many people flocked the Arena to see the excitement of beating Doheny. Give him a good opponent that people want to see defeated (ie Nery) or a dream match with Nakatani they can rack it up to 50k in Japan.
Usyk I'm sure being the man to beat in HW makes it so that his strongest pull would be wherever boxing popular country that the opponent is from, but due to the circumstances him not having a chance to shine in Ukraine right now makes it hard to compare. Obviously an Usyk-Fury or Usyk-Joshua will fill out 100,000 Wembley with crazy PPV thanks to a combination of the undisputed* HW against a super popular boxer in UK, but by comparison...say, you can't really tell how much an Usyk-Chisora main event will get him nowadays. As a HW, his maximum is definitely the highest of them all but it fluctuates depending on opponent popularity.
Bud as of right now his best (most popular) opponent was Spence for obvious reasons. Fight a good opponent boxing fans want to see and he'll rake in a ton more because of the glory weight class he fights around, but Crawford doesn't give me vibes that he will get 10k+ at Vegas with a voluntary fight against Jesus Ramos next year (and obviously Crawford won't do it either as it is ZERO money).
Beterbiev is popular among the core boxing fans and if the opponent is one of Bivol rematch, winner of Benavidez/Morrell, Opetaia, or Canelo, it will get filled whether it be Vegas or Australia or Mexico. But not sure how much he can sell a voluntary fight with Dan Azeez in...I dunno, Canada? Russia?
I'm pretty confident to say that the least individual pull out of the five is Haney though. He absolutely needs the opponent to pull, as he himself has almost no fans. I'm sure Haney-Garcia got a fair amount of tickets sold Wedding limousine (all thanks to Garcia), but for comparison how much did Haney-Prograis pull?
Both he and his father had publicly declared their intent to "kill" or hospitalize his opponent
In a popularity contest?
1. Usyk
2. Inoue
3. Bud
4. Beterviev
5. Haney
agree with this order. inoue is big in japan. Usyk def the biggest. Bud is still pretty unknown, i mean hell the camera crew / producers for UFC who does fight sports, thought he was kendrick lamar. could you imagine them mistaking de la hoya for mario lopez? of course not because de la hoya is famous enough on his own
If you count strictly drawing power of them alone to sell tickets in their strongest locations disregarding the quality of opponent, I'd say out of those 5 Inoue in Tokyo actually might be the biggest draw individually given the situation right now.
Basically Inoue fighting a voluntary against Doheny got him to fill up the majority Ariake Arena, which is a 15000 full capacity. Even if you consider the fans of undercards adding a few handful, its arguable to say that by the fact of Inoue fighting in Tokyo region is good enough to pull 10k as the minimum because I doubt many people flocked the Arena to see the excitement of beating Doheny. Give him a good opponent that people want to see defeated (ie Nery) or a dream match with Nakatani they can rack it up to 50k in Japan.
Usyk I'm sure being the man to beat in HW makes it so that his strongest pull would be wherever boxing popular country that the opponent is from, but due to the circumstances him not having a chance to shine in Ukraine right now makes it hard to compare. Obviously an Usyk-Fury or Usyk-Joshua will fill out 100,000 Wembley with crazy PPV thanks to a combination of the undisputed* HW against a super popular boxer in UK, but by comparison...say, you can't really tell how much an Usyk-Chisora main event will get him nowadays. As a HW, his maximum is definitely the highest of them all but it fluctuates depending on opponent popularity.
Bud as of right now his best (most popular) opponent was Spence for obvious reasons. Fight a good opponent boxing fans want to see and he'll rake in a ton more because of the glory weight class he fights around, but Crawford doesn't give me vibes that he will get 10k+ at Vegas with a voluntary fight against Jesus Ramos next year (and obviously Crawford won't do it either as it is ZERO money).
Beterbiev is popular among the core boxing fans and if the opponent is one of Bivol rematch, winner of Benavidez/Morrell, Opetaia, or Canelo, it will get filled whether it be Vegas or Australia or Mexico. But not sure how much he can sell a voluntary fight with Dan Azeez in...I dunno, Canada? Russia?
I'm pretty confident to say that the least individual pull out of the five is Haney though. He absolutely needs the opponent to pull, as he himself has almost no fans. I'm sure Haney-Garcia got a fair amount of tickets sold (all thanks to Garcia), but for comparison how much did Haney-Prograis pull?
In a popularity contest?
1. Usyk
2. Inoue
3. Bud
4. Beterviev
5. Haney
Haney is the most well known inside and outside the states, however because he is so well known, his current antics have made him infamous.
Such as:
-Trying to change his loss onto a win without actually doing anything, but instead he got a no contest. Which considering the circumstances, seems about right since Ryan shouldn't get the win if he tested positive.
-Suing his opponent for battery, defamation and emotional damage. Despite that he had consented to fight in the ring, with him and his father stating he is going to "kill" or hospitalize his opponent. He also had accepted the 1.5$ million dollars to continue the bout.