The Ring Reveals Their Latest P4P Rankings: Canelo "El Pato" Alvarez Now Removed in Top 5 for Excessive Cherrypicking and Dropped Down to #6. Beterbiev Moves Up to #4 and Bivol to #5 After Their War!

1) And I've been telling you...Inoue is fighting more viable opposition compared to Canelo for the last 5 fights. Doheny- Cash grab because Goodman fell through and Ohashi owed him a favor. I certainly could've done without it, but Ohashi rented out Ariake Arena already and didn't want to pay cancellation fees. Nery- A mandatory when Inoue went undisputed and a top 3 guy left in the division excluding those he already defeated. Due to other drama also the most wanted mandatory by fans. Tapales- the other two active beltholder. Underwhelming to say the least but it made the winner undisputed so a necessary process. Fulton- the top guy of the division, if there was anyone else that was a better opponent in 122 that Inoue should've fought instead of him for his first fight please name it. Butler- the mannequin that just happened to have the last belt in bantam strapped on when Inoue walked by. Will finally get off his last 5 before the end of the year with Goodman- see #5 below. Berlanga- see #5 below. Just got elevated to a mandatory after the top two former mandatories graduated without fighting and the third lost. Munguia- A top 3 mandatory. Two better choices existed in the same time but still a top 3 choice in the division available at the time. Charla- ...Now to think of it exactly what was Canelo's reason fighting this guy as a voluntary defense, seriously asking? Was there some kind of a financial motivation? Did Charla slap Canelo's mother and he wanted to get personal revenge in public? Did PBC owe him a favor? Charla had naughty pictures of Al Haymon that he blackmailed PBC? Either way, now retired since then until otherwise. A sanctioned exhibition that could've done without ever happening (ditto Crawford if Canelo suddenly decides to go down that route which I pray he doesn't, and thankfully doesn't seem to be willing to do so as of now). Ryder- interim belt holder. Underwhelming to say the least but it was a necessary process to unify the belts. Followed the loss with a TKO loss to Munguia then retired. GGG 3- Cash grab because the first two sold well. Possibly going to get replaced with Eubank Jr, who adds nothing as an opponent but might give...more cash maybe if it is held in UK? By the way are you going to be happy and looking forward to watching Canelo fight Eubank Jr? For the last 5, one fought a stay busy cash grab, the most wanted mandatory and top 3 of the division, underwhelming actual beltholder that was necessary for becoming undisputed, universally accepted top guy and a unified beltholder of the new division, and a guy who's only worth was that he had a belt to be stripped off to get the undisputed status (which is about to be replaced by a mandatory "no body" as you call it in 2 month). For the last 5, another guy fought a mandatory "no body" who was a replacement to the better mandatory that never received an opportunity to begin with (Morrell), third most wanted mandatory by the fans and top 3 of the division, absolute zero value adding mystery WTF choice that even the most devoted fans have trouble seeing the validity especially at the cost of not seeing the top two of the division more wanted by people, underwhelming fake "interim" beltholder necessary for ridding of the idiotic interim "belt", and a cash grab to finish a trilogy. 2) Okay, good to know we still continue to agree with GGG is overrated. You want to repeat it so his fans can read them and cry a river. My eyes are dry as the Sahara desert but if it has other meaning for you, then understood. While we are at it I'll also add in that Ryota Murata is/was a totally overrated middleweight "beltholder" that still has some spotlight in Japan after retiring because he was a former Olympic gold medalist and fought on a weight class that were rare to have Japanese guys fighting at. Oh and he recently lost his job for being caught cheating on his wife, but that is another topic. 3) My definition of chasing greatness is to continue to do something that adds to your legacy as a boxer. Whether it be unify, go up in division, take on good opponents, whatever. So tell me, what is the "greatness" has Canelo been chasing in his last 5 fights? What was a win against a bloated 154er with no belts, no mandatory, and unranked in 168 going to add to his legacy? How would defeating Berlanga given more "greatness" than defeating Benavides when considering he would've won anyway, and all he had to do was just fight to prove it on paper to shut up the haters claiming he will lose (similar to Boots regarding Crawford)? By the way you don't need to remind me his fight with Bivol was chasing greatness because it was indeed chasing greatness, but it wasn't in the last 5 fights. You also don't need to remind me that he's fought this-and-that great opponents in his career, because that is also not within the past 5 fights. Canelo up to Bivol was indeed chasing greatness. Canelo post-Bivol hasn't shown the willingness to chase greatness yet. By the way I'm still believing that Chris Eubank Jr next is a false rumor and he's fighting at least MBilli or someone regarded in the top 3 of those left in 168 who he hasn't fought yet. Hell, not that I'd want to see it but if the alternate is Eubank Jr. even wasting time with Scull will atleast get him some more validity in the choice as he physically obtains back the alphabet soup belt that was his to begin with, but for paperwork purposes just like Paul Butler was fought for the final strap, it will get him back to undisputed again and that is worth something more than the record that Canelo defeated Chris Eubank Jr. 4) Oh hey, another thing we agree on...I also have a personal dislike of Tyson Fury and his antics, and the word "boogeyman" is and should be considered a backhanded insult when describing a boxers. So as a totally unbiased boxing fan who can be critical of what requires criticism, do you think any of Canelo's last 5 choices require criticism? 5) Berlanga IS a no body. I put Goodman's success trajectory well above Berlanga's. Frankly at this point this is just going to become a parallel clash of opinions that will not be proven right or wrong until both guys actually do (or don't do) something in the next 3 years or so post-Canelo/Inoue fight. That being said, I am actually genuinely interested so could you please explain to me why you think Berlanga has a better trajectory, based on what reasons other than simply saying "because Sam Goodman sucks"? I want to know what you see and regard so highly about Berlanga because when looking at what resources are available on the internet, his resume looks like a guy who's yet to defeat a world top 10 guy in his division, his highest accomplishment to date seems to be winning the regional NABO belt, his amateur pedigree doesn't have anything standing out, and even his 1R KO streak to begin his career that likely made his name appear on news at first to begin with doesn't exactly give a huge confidenct to his real power threat level, because the impression I get from looking at it was that he was being fed literal scarecrows made to tip over in 1R but then the moment he started fighting even a regional "belt" level opponent, he suddenly transformed into a decision fighter for four years and counting, going 6-0 with 1KO since the beginning of 2021 even disregarding the most recent loss to Canelo. What is it that you see specifically in him that makes him such a bright potential star in the making, so much that you seem to consider him a better opponent worthy for Canelo to bother with but David Benavides was overrated and unproven and wasn't worthy for Canelo to fight. In fact putting aside Goodman for a bit, do you think Berlanga has a better success trajectory than Benavides? They are both the same age with only half a year apart and both have over 20 professional fights fighting in similar divisions. Giving credit where due I am extremely amazed at your devotedness to Canelo because you seem to be the only guy that actually, TRULY, from the bottom of your heart believe that Canelo will someday fight "future opponents" Beter/Benavides/Bivol that you mentioned above. Don't get me wrong, I'll happily jump back on the wagon if he actually does and the fight occurs, but until then the only things we have to base that prediction upon is the fact that Canelo chose NOT to rematch Bivol in his last 5 fights, chose NOT to fight Benavides in his last 5 fights (or prior to it as well) when he was available the whole time. And yet arguing now that he's at a division above him somehow Canelo will entertain fighting him is a stretch that no one seems to give a good chance of happening. By the way I haven't followed deep enough recently but has Canelo himself ever even mentioned Beterbiev at all in any way? Always sounded like something the Canelo haters were crying for because it is a guaranteed Canelo loss they really want to see, but not Canelo himself or Canelo fans. Oh and lastly, this is off topic to this particular post but since you are actually capable of conducting a continuous conversation of disagreement without succumbing to worthless name calling insults, and you also obviously seem to like Mexican boxers in general so I'd like to ask a question I often ask acquaintances from other countries. Who, in your opinion, do you consider as the top 10 best currently active Mexican boxers regardless of division? This could be anything based on recent accomplishments, past resume, eye test, personal preference, gut instincts or if anything attractiveness of their face if you need a tie breaker. Obviously No. 1 is Canelo, I'm sure. Who are your 2-10 active Mexican P4P right now? And still reigning and defending face of boxing is............ Extra shoutout to Monster & boogeyman fan(s) and Nelo haters :wave:

1) Let's approach this at a different angle - Nelo's last 5 - Berlanga Munguia Charla (HA!) Ryder GGG The "Monster" - Goodman (Under dog deluxe) Whonehy Nery Tamales Fulton Butler (Living bowling pins :fing02:{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}​ ) So, you tell me....who is actually fighting the more viable opps ?!? People tend to give out passes to fighters for mysterious reasons :lol1:{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}​ 2) Nelo and GGG are connected at the hip....for better/worse. Nelo haters tend to think in a most irrational way. Falsehoods, excuses and straight up lies. GGG fan(s) love to regurgitate how many bums he KO'd. Yet cry ageism when Nelo fought him. As if Nelo had a say in when he was to be born :dunno:{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}​ GGG fan(s) poopoo GGG failed promiseS....And I will say it again, If Nelo had GGG's resume, he would be laughed out of the sport. Not trying to convince anyone in particular. I just like to remind whoever else reads it. 3) The term "Chasing Greatness" has standards. What active fighter is actually doing it ?!?!? Calling a fighter a beast, monster, ATG, "highly ranked", whatever has to have a foundation of logic. 4) Unbiased. 100000%. I'm able to be fan and be critical. Are there fighter(s) I hate ?!?!? Yup (Fury comes to mind. My hatred of Fury almost made me root for Whyte to beat him) And then all of these unproven boogeymen who are given said reputation for doing the bare minimum........(and no one calls them on it :){"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}​ ) ! 5) Sammy IS a nobody. The "Monster" wishes he could fight a bunch of Goodman's. Fans will hail The "Monster" for it because of the predetermined KO ending :lol1:{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}​ !!!!! I will put Berlanga's success trajectory well above Goodman's. You may want to create scenarios where The "Monster" fought the best "available" guys out there. That's your choice. When you can feel that way when you log off, :fing02:{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}​ His resume is trash.....but the KO's :banana:{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/www.boxingscene.com\/forums\/core\/image\/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAPABAP\/\/\/wAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw=="}​ 1) And I've been telling you...Inoue is fighting more viable opposition compared to Canelo for the last 5 fights. Doheny- Cash grab because Goodman fell through and Ohashi owed him a favor. I certainly could've done without it, but Ohashi rented out Ariake Arena already and didn't want to pay cancellation fees. Nery- A mandatory when Inoue went undisputed and a top 3 guy left in the division excluding those he already defeated. Due to other drama also the most wanted mandatory by fans. Tapales- the other two active beltholder. Underwhelming to say the least but it made the winner undisputed so a necessary process. Fulton- the top guy of the division, if there was anyone else that was a better opponent in 122 that Inoue should've fought instead of him for his first fight please name it. Butler- the mannequin that just happened to have the last belt in bantam strapped on when Inoue walked by. Will finally get off his last 5 before the end of the year with Goodman- see #5 below. Berlanga- see #5 below. Just got elevated to a mandatory after the top two former mandatories graduated without fighting and the third lost. Munguia- A top 3 mandatory. Two better choices existed in the same time but still a top 3 choice in the division available at the time. Charla- ...Now to think of it exactly what was Canelo's reason fighting this guy as a voluntary defense, seriously asking? Was there some kind of a financial motivation? Did Charla slap Canelo's mother and he wanted to get personal revenge in public? Did PBC owe him a favor? Charla had naughty pictures of Al Haymon that he blackmailed PBC? Either way, now retired since then until otherwise. A sanctioned exhibition that could've done without ever happening (ditto Crawford if Canelo suddenly decides to go down that route which I pray he doesn't, and thankfully doesn't seem to be willing to do so as of now). Ryder- interim belt holder. Underwhelming to say the least but it was a necessary process to unify the belts. Followed the loss with a TKO loss to Munguia then retired. GGG 3- Cash grab because the first two sold well. Possibly going to get replaced with Eubank Jr, who adds nothing as an opponent but might give...more cash maybe if it is held in UK? By the way are you going to be happy and looking forward to watching Canelo fight Eubank Jr? For the last 5, one fought a stay busy cash grab, the most wanted mandatory and top 3 of the division, underwhelming actual beltholder that was necessary for becoming undisputed, universally accepted top guy and a unified beltholder of the new division, and a guy who's only worth was that he had a belt to be stripped off to get the undisputed status (which is about to be replaced by a mandatory "no body" as you call it in 2 month). For the last 5, another guy fought a mandatory "no body" who was a replacement to the better mandatory that never received an opportunity to begin with (Morrell), third most wanted mandatory by the fans and top 3 of the division, absolute zero value adding mystery WTF choice that even the most devoted fans have trouble seeing the validity especially at the cost of not seeing the top two of the division more wanted by people, underwhelming fake "interim" beltholder necessary for ridding of the idiotic interim "belt", and a cash grab to finish a trilogy. 2) Okay, good to know we still continue to agree with GGG is overrated. You want to repeat it so his fans can read them and cry a river. My eyes are dry as the Sahara desert but if it has other meaning for you, then understood. While we are at it I'll also add in that Ryota Murata is/was a totally overrated middleweight "beltholder" that still has some spotlight in Japan after retiring because he was a former Olympic gold medalist and fought on a weight class that were rare to have Japanese guys fighting at. Oh and he recently lost his job for being caught cheating on his wife, but that is another topic. 3) My definition of chasing greatness is to continue to do something that adds to your legacy as a boxer. Whether it be unify, go up in division, take on good opponents, whatever. So tell me, what is the "greatness" has Canelo been chasing in his last 5 fights? What was a win against a bloated 154er with no belts, no mandatory, and unranked in 168 going to add to his legacy? How would defeating Berlanga given more "greatness" than defeating Benavides when considering he would've won anyway, and all he had to do was just fight to prove it on paper to shut up the haters claiming he will lose (similar to Boots regarding Crawford)? By the way you don't need to remind me his fight with Bivol was chasing greatness because it was indeed chasing greatness, but it wasn't in the last 5 fights. You also don't need to remind me that he's fought this-and-that great opponents in his career, because that is also not within the past 5 fights. Canelo up to Bivol was indeed chasing greatness. Canelo post-Bivol hasn't shown the willingness to chase greatness yet. By the way I'm still believing that Chris Eubank Jr next is a false rumor and he's fighting at least MBilli or someone regarded in the top 3 of those left in 168 who he hasn't fought yet. Hell, not that I'd want to see it but if the alternate is Eubank Jr. even wasting time with Scull will atleast get him some more validity in the choice as he physically obtains back the alphabet soup belt that was his to begin with, but for paperwork purposes just like Paul Butler was fought for the final strap, it will get him back to undisputed again and that is worth something more than the record that Canelo defeated Chris Eubank Jr. 4) Oh hey, another thing we agree on...I also have a personal dislike of Tyson Fury and his antics, and the word "boogeyman" is and should be considered a backhanded insult when describing a boxers. So as a totally unbiased boxing fan who can be critical of what requires criticism, do you think any of Canelo's last 5 choices require criticism? 5) Berlanga IS a no body. I put Goodman's success trajectory well above Berlanga's. Frankly at this point this is just going to become a parallel clash of opinions that will not be proven right or wrong until both guys actually do (or don't do) something in the next 3 years or so post-Canelo/Inoue fight. That being said, I am actually genuinely interested so could you please explain to me why you think Berlanga has a better trajectory, based on what reasons other than simply saying "because Sam Goodman sucks"? I want to know what you see and regard so highly about Berlanga because when looking at what resources are available on the internet, his resume looks like a guy who's yet to defeat a world top 10 guy in his division, his highest accomplishment to date seems to be winning the regional NABO belt, his amateur pedigree doesn't have anything standing out, and even his 1R KO streak to begin his career that likely made his name appear on news at first to begin with doesn't exactly give a huge confidenct to his real power threat level, because the impression I get from looking at it was that he was being fed literal scarecrows made to tip over in 1R but then the moment he started fighting even a regional "belt" level opponent, he suddenly transformed into a decision fighter for four years and counting, going 6-0 with 1KO since the beginning of 2021 even disregarding the most recent loss to Canelo. What is it that you see specifically in him that makes him such a bright potential star in the making, so much that you seem to consider him a better opponent worthy for Canelo to bother with but David Benavides was overrated and unproven and wasn't worthy for Canelo to fight. In fact putting aside Goodman for a bit, do you think Berlanga has a better success trajectory than Benavides? They are both the same age with only half a year apart and both have over 20 professional fights fighting in similar divisions. Giving credit where due I am extremely amazed at your devotedness to Canelo because you seem to be the only guy that actually, TRULY, from the bottom of your heart believe that Canelo will someday fight "future opponents" Beter/Benavides/Bivol that you mentioned above. Don't get me wrong, I'll happily jump back on the wagon if he actually does and the fight occurs, but until then the only things we have to base that prediction upon is the fact that Canelo chose NOT to rematch Bivol in his last 5 fights, chose NOT to fight Benavides in his last 5 fights (or prior to it as well) when he was available the whole time. And yet arguing now that he's at a division above him somehow Canelo will entertain fighting him is a stretch that no one seems to give a good chance of happening. By the way I haven't followed deep enough recently but has Canelo himself ever even mentioned Beterbiev at all in any way? Always sounded like something the Canelo haters were crying for because it is a guaranteed Canelo loss they really want to see, but not Canelo himself or Canelo fans. Oh and lastly, this is off topic to this particular post but since you are actually capable of conducting a continuous conversation of disagreement without succumbing to worthless name calling insults, and you also obviously seem to like Mexican boxers in general so I'd like to ask a question I often ask acquaintances from other countries. Who, in your opinion, do you consider as the top 10 best currently active Mexican boxers regardless of division? This could be anything based on recent accomplishments, past resume, eye test, personal preference, gut instincts or if anything attractiveness of their face if you need a tie breaker. Obviously No. 1 is Canelo, I'm sure. Who are your 2-10 active Mexican P4P right now?

Sorry, this made me chuckle. Canelo ducked Golovkin for 2 years, which included actually dropping a belt ala Rid**** Bowe, he finally fought him when he couldn't duck no more, then got busted for PEDs before the rematch. To put a cherry on top, after a very close 2nd fight where he officially won by 1 round, he declared that he destroyed Golovkin convincingly and has nothing left to prove. He then waited 4 more years until G was actually 40 years old to finally decide that he does have "something to prove" with the trilogy. In that 3rd fight, in his prime, 32 year old Canelo won 115-113 against 40 year old G. GGG1 and GGG2 are Canelo's 2nd and 3rd best grossing events behind his fight vs. Floyd. Golovkin trilogy in 2018 or 2019 was his best option money wise. He didn't wanna fight him against because he knew he got lucky escaping with his skin - especially if you watch the 10th round of the 2nd fight where he got buzzed. Overall, I really like Canelo the fighter, he's an absolute master boxer. His dedication to training and improving skillset is at ATG level. But Canelo the promoter/manager? That dude's a little whiny girl. Can't stand that guy. 1) Show me. Just because a fight doesn't happen when fans think it should have happened doesn't mean cowardice was the reason. GGG wanted to fight Sergio at his very worst injured leg that needed time to heal. Same with Pirog. Yet GGG didn't want to chase greatness by leaving that dead MW div. Like a bunch of fighters he chased Nelo money. GGG had a SEVEN YEAR head start with 100000 glorified amatuer fights Ws to build on. Fck him and the excuses people give him. 2) Not sure why ineffective aggression is considered a good thing. Did GGG even throw a combo ? A body shot ? GGG's age is never mentioned in his other fights. Go figure :lol1: 3) If GGG was the goods he'd be the face of boxing He wasn't. GGG is lucky no one demanded he leave that dead MW and keep his promise. 4) Heavy is the head. How would you do it if you were him. Keep it as realistic as possible :lol1:​

Sorry, this made me chuckle. Canelo ducked Golovkin for 2 years, which included actually dropping a belt ala Rid**** Bowe, he finally fought him when he couldn't duck no more, then got busted for PEDs before the rematch. To put a cherry on top, after a very close 2nd fight where he officially won by 1 round, he declared that he destroyed Golovkin convincingly and has nothing left to prove. He then waited 4 more years until G was actually 40 years old to finally decide that he does have "something to prove" with the trilogy. In that 3rd fight, in his prime, 32 year old Canelo won 115-113 against 40 year old G. GGG1 and GGG2 are Canelo's 2nd and 3rd best grossing events behind his fight vs. Floyd. Golovkin trilogy in 2018 or 2019 was his best option money wise. He didn't wanna fight him against because he knew he got lucky escaping with his skin - especially if you watch the 10th round of the 2nd fight where he got buzzed. Overall, I really like Canelo the fighter, he's an absolute master boxer. His dedication to training and improving skillset is at ATG level. But Canelo the promoter/manager? That dude's a little whiny girl. Can't stand that guy. 1) Show me. Just because a fight doesn't happen when fans think it should have happened doesn't mean cowardice was the reason GGG wanted to fight Sergio at his very worst injured leg that needed time to heal. Same with Pirog. Yet GGG didn't want to chase greatness by leaving that dead MW div. Like a bunch of fighters he chased Nelo money. GGG had a SEVEN YEAR head start with 100000 glorified amatuer fights Ws to build on. Fck him and the excuses people give him. 2) Not sure why ineffective aggression is considered a good thing. Did GGG even throw a combo ? A body shot ? GGG's age is never mentioned in his other fights. Go figure 3) If GGG was the goods he's be the face of boxing He wasn't. GGG is lucky no one demanded he leave that dead MW and keep his promise. 4) Heavy is the head. How would you do it if you were him. Keep it as realistic as possible

2) Nelo and GGG are connected at the hip....for better/worse. Nelo haters tend to think in a most irrational way. Falsehoods, excuses and straight up lies. GGG fan(s) love to regurgitate how many bums he KO'd. Yet cry ageism when Nelo fought him. As if Nelo had a say in when he was to be born :dunno: GGG fan(s) poopoo GGG failed promiseS....And I will say it again, If Nelo had GGG's resume, he would be laughed out of the sport. Not trying to convince anyone in particular. I just like to remind whoever else reads it. Sorry, this made me chuckle. Canelo ducked Golovkin for 2 years, which included actually dropping a belt ala Riddick Bowe, he finally fought him when he couldn't duck no more, then got busted for PEDs before the rematch. To put a cherry on top, after a very close 2nd fight where he officially won by 1 round, he declared that he destroyed Golovkin convincingly and has nothing left to prove. He then waited 4 more years until G was actually 40 years old to finally decide that he does have "something to prove" with the trilogy. In that 3rd fight, in his prime, 32 year old Canelo won 115-113 against 40 year old G. GGG1 and GGG2 are Canelo's 2nd and 3rd best grossing events behind his fight vs. Floyd. Golovkin trilogy in 2018 or 2019 was his best option money wise. He didn't wanna fight him against because he knew he got lucky escaping with his skin - especially if you watch the 10th round of the 2nd fight where he got buzzed. Overall, I really like Canelo the fighter, he's an absolute master boxer. His dedication to training and improving skillset is at ATG level. But Canelo the promoter/manager? That dude's a little whiny girl. Can't stand that guy.

Lastly, you say Canelo will almost always be the smaller in the ring, but Inoue is also the smaller guy in the ring and the difference will only get even wider when he moves up to featherweight in the near future. The "Monster - 5' 51/2" Good(HA!)man - 5'7'' (a massive under dog for a very "Good" reason) Whonehy - 5'5'' Nery - 5'5'' Tamales - 5'5'' Fulton - 5'6", be still my heart Butler - 5'6" (see Fulton) Shotnito - 5'6" (I'm seeing a trend) Has The "Monster" ever been in any danger vs these giants ?!?!? Manny Pac was Inoue's height, so...........​

Nelo 5' 71/2" Berlanga 6' 1" Munguia 6' Charla 5' 11" Ryder 5' 9" GGG 5' 10" (some say he was a small MW :lol1: ) Biv 6' Plant 6' 1" Future opps (?) - Beter 5' 11 1/2" Benny 6' Biv 2 6' Real size difference :boxing:

but Inoue is also the smaller guy in the ring and the difference will only get even wider when he moves up to featherweight in the near future. The "Monster - 5' 51/2" Good(HA!)man - 5'7'' (a massive under dog for a very "Good" reason) Whonehy - 5'5'' Nery - 5'5'' Tamales - 5'5'' Fulton - 5'6", be still my heart Butler - 5'6" (see Fulton) Shotnito - 5'6" (I'm seeing a trend) Has The "Monster" ever been in any danger vs these giants ?!?!? Manny Pac was Inoue's height, so...........

The guy you didn't list in that post thats ranked above Canelo: Naoya Inoue. Also, he's ranked below Canelo on the Ring rankings, but Bam Rodriguez. You are free to do a "last 5 opps" comparison if you want. Let's see how you stack them up.

You still didn't answer the question so let me rephrase and repeat...within the last five fights at 168, has Canelo fought the best available opponent in this division (that he hasn't fought yet) at the time of the fight excluding himself atleast once, yes or no? I say no, but what about you? I don't get why do you keep on trying to emphasize about how GGG was an overrated opponent, when I have been fully agreeing 300% from the beginning and thus not rating GGG as anything other than Canelo's cash grab which is fine as a financial choice, but doesn't make it a good opponent in quality. You don't need to continue to try to prove to me that water is wet, because I never denyed that water is wet. Just like you don't have to convince me that Spence was overrated, or that Crawford is inactive, or that Tank loves to duck. Instead of stating the obvious that GGG ain't that good, why not use that passion to try to convince others that Canelo actually would've been willing to rematch Bivol had he won against Beterbiev, which practically no one believes outside you. He's shown zero interest in rematching him in the last 5 fights and wasn't even willing to defeat the two Davids in that span either, despite both of them significantly below the caliber of Bivol (if you personally think the Davids are better than Bivol, then that leads to a whole different issue of disagreement). The excuse for those who stay put is that they aren't good enough or unwilling to risk losing the zero at the stage above. Boxing is a sport that you should aim to do one of two things: clean out the division from the top down if you are staying at the minimum, or if not then go up to the next division until you hit a wall. I'm happy to see those who I follow and root for continue to go up and clean divisions out at the same time. It would have been nice to see Canelo go rematch Bivol or clean the two Davids out before they moved up during the last five fights but Canelo did neither. By the way, do you consider yourself an unbiased fan? Or are you just considering yourself a biased Canelo fan? Because it really sounds like all the opinions you have against Inoue seems like something you were more than willing to defend Canelo for despite being worse. You may claim Sam Goodman is a nobody, but Berlanga was a bigger nobody who has never fought a top 10 guy in his division ever where atleast the former has multiple times. Goodman is also one of the two best rated guys left in 122 at worst that Inoue hasn't fought yet. Berlanga was closer to the bottom two of the top 10 in 168 when he was chosen, with multiple better choices available above him that Canelo hasn't fought yet. You may claim Doheny was old and an overmatch, but GGG 3 was even older and also overmatched. You may claim Nery has already lost to Figueroa who is currently fighting in the division above, but what does that make of Charla who's lost to multiple guys from the divisions below? Nery was also atleast a top 3 guy left in the division, while Charla wasn't even a top 10 guy at 168. You may claim Tapales was a weak beltholder, but Ryder was an even weaker interim beltholder. Atleast the former had actual belts, and not fake ones. You may claim Fulton was...I dunno, featherfisted? Overrated PBC product? But he was still the universally accepted number one rated guy at 122 and the current unified beltholder. Munguia was considered at best the third best 168 opponent after the two Davids, and his greatest accomplishment was that he held one belt from two division below 5 years ago. Lastly, you say Canelo will almost always be the smaller in the ring, but Inoue is also the smaller guy in the ring and the difference will only get even wider when he moves up to featherweight in the near future. 1) Let's approach this at a different angle - Nelo's last 5 - Berlanga Munguia Charla (HA!) Ryder GGG Benny's - Gvdyk (?) DooDoo Plant (his best W) LeMeh (ultra shot) Davis (?) Beter's - Biv (Congrats, he finally stepped up :) ) Smith Yarde Smith jr Browne The "Monster" - Goodman (Under dog deluxe) Whonehy Nery Tamales Fulton Butler (Living bowling pins :fing02: ) So, you tell me....who is actually fighting the more viable opps ?!? People tend to give out passes to fighters for mysterious reasons :lol1: 2) Nelo and GGG are connected at the hip....for better/worse. Nelo haters tend to think in a most irrational way. Falsehoods, excuses and straight up lies. GGG fan(s) love to regurgitate how many bums he KO'd. Yet cry ageism when Nelo fought him. As if Nelo had a say in when he was to be born :dunno: GGG fan(s) poopoo GGG failed promiseS....And I will say it again, If Nelo had GGG's resume, he would be laughed out of the sport. Not trying to convince anyone in particular. I just like to remind whoever else reads it. 3) The term "Chasing Greatness" has standards. What active fighter is actually doing it ?!?!? Calling a fighter a beast, monster, ATG, "highly ranked", whatever has to have a foundation of logic. 4) Unbiased. 100000%. I'm able to be fan and be critical. Are there fighter(s) I hate ?!?!? Yup (Fury comes to mind. My hatred of Fury almost made me root for Whyte to beat him) And then all of these unproven boogeymen who are given said reputation for doing the bare minimum........(and no one calls them on it :) ) ! 5) Sammy IS a nobody. The "Monster" wishes he could fight a bunch of Goodman's. Fans will hail The "Monster" for it because of the predetermined KO ending :lol1: !!!!! I will put Berlanga's success trajectory well above Goodman's. You may want to create scenarios where The "Monster" fought the best "available" guys out there. That's your choice. When you can feel that way when you log off, :fing02: His resume is trash.....but the KO's :banana:

Beter > Biv (FINALLY, Beter steps up to a legit opp :fing02: ) But that's just ONE FIGHT Bud destroyed Spence :fing02: Again, it took Bud half of his career to FIANLLY fight a legit opp What other p4p lister can you think of who's last 5 fighgts can stack up to Nelo's ? (HW's don't qualify) And please, NAME THEM :) The guy you didn't list in that post thats ranked above Canelo: Naoya Inoue. Also, he's ranked below Canelo on the Ring rankings, but Bam Rodriguez.

Nelo will usually be the smaller guy in the ring, even at his best weight. What excuses do those who stay put have ??? I believe Nelo would have rematched Biv had he won. Now that he lost and is most likely going to rematch Beter, that plan is put on hold. GGG is considered a MW ATG because of his string of title defenses. PURE MEH, but he "fought the best available opps" (AKA, padded the resyme). Highly ranked GARBAGE :lol1: If a so called unbiased fight fan cannot absolutely judge EVERY FIGHTER EQUALLY, well, that fan may as well stay quiet ????? "KOs, doe :boxing: !" You still didn't answer the question so let me rephrase and repeat...within the last five fights at 168, has Canelo fought the best available opponent in this division (that he hasn't fought yet) at the time of the fight excluding himself atleast once, yes or no? I say no, but what about you? I don't get why do you keep on trying to emphasize about how GGG was an overrated opponent, when I have been fully agreeing 300% from the beginning and thus not rating GGG as anything other than Canelo's cash grab which is fine as a financial choice, but doesn't make it a good opponent in quality. You don't need to continue to try to prove to me that water is wet, because I never denyed that water is wet. Just like you don't have to convince me that Spence was overrated, or that Crawford is inactive, or that Tank loves to duck. Instead of stating the obvious that GGG ain't that good, why not use that passion to try to convince others that Canelo actually would've been willing to rematch Bivol had he won against Beterbiev, which practically no one believes outside you. He's shown zero interest in rematching him in the last 5 fights and wasn't even willing to defeat the two Davids in that span either, despite both of them significantly below the caliber of Bivol (if you personally think the Davids are better than Bivol, then that leads to a whole different issue of disagreement). The excuse for those who stay put is that they aren't good enough or unwilling to risk losing the zero at the stage above. Boxing is a sport that you should aim to do one of two things: clean out the division from the top down if you are staying at the minimum, or if not then go up to the next division until you hit a wall. I'm happy to see those who I follow and root for continue to go up and clean divisions out at the same time. It would have been nice to see Canelo go rematch Bivol or clean the two Davids out before they moved up during the last five fights but Canelo did neither. By the way, do you consider yourself an unbiased fan? Or are you just considering yourself a biased Canelo fan? Because it really sounds like all the opinions you have against Inoue seems like something you were more than willing to defend Canelo for despite being worse. You may claim Sam Goodman is a nobody, but Berlanga was a bigger nobody who has never fought a top 10 guy in his division ever where atleast the former has multiple times. Goodman is also one of the two best rated guys left in 122 at worst that Inoue hasn't fought yet. Berlanga was closer to the bottom two of the top 10 in 168 when he was chosen, with multiple better choices available above him that Canelo hasn't fought yet. You may claim Doheny was old and an overmatch, but GGG 3 was even older and also overmatched. You may claim Nery has already lost to Figueroa who is currently fighting in the division above, but what does that make of Charla who's lost to multiple guys from the divisions below? Nery was also atleast a top 3 guy left in the division, while Charla wasn't even a top 10 guy at 168. You may claim Tapales was a weak beltholder, but Ryder was an even weaker interim beltholder. Atleast the former had actual belts, and not fake ones. You may claim Fulton was...I dunno, featherfisted? Overrated PBC product? But he was still the universally accepted number one rated guy at 122 and the current unified beltholder. Munguia was considered at best the third best 168 opponent after the two Davids, and his greatest accomplishment was that he held one belt from two division below 5 years ago. Lastly, you say Canelo will almost always be the smaller in the ring, but Inoue is also the smaller guy in the ring and the difference will only get even wider when he moves up to featherweight in the near future.

Currently, based on Canelo's last 5, he's nowhere close to top of P4P. Beter > Biv (FINALLY, Beter steps up to a legit opp :fing02: ) But that's just ONE FIGHT Bud destroyed Spence :fing02: Again, it took Bud half of his career to FIANLLY fight a legit opp What other p4p lister can you think of who's last 5 fighgts can stack up to Nelo's ? (HW's don't qualify) And please, NAME THEM :)

Nelo's resume, including his last 5 opps > everyone's No other way to say it That's not how P4P works though. It is not a historical resume. It's the fighter's current standing against others assuming all are the same weight. Currently, based on Canelo's last 5, he's nowhere close to top of P4P. His opponents have not been great. His best win over this time period is 115-113 win over 40 year old Golovkin. Canelo has not looked great, he looks checked out while collecting paydays against subpar opposition. Hell, he's not even hiding it. He has publicly stated that he wants huge $$ to fight anyone with a pulse. I forget when/where, but I remember an interview where Canelo said he is not planning to fight past 35. It was a long time ago, and things may have changed, but they may not have. If you want to claim he has best resume of active fighters, sure, you're likely to win that argument. P4P wise though? He ain't close.

Unfortunately when you are significantly better than the rest of your division, everyone becomes a meh opponent by comparison regardless of who you fight. The difference is whether you at least chose the best available of your limited meh choices, or despite having a better choices available you deliberately choose the worse option. Simply speaking, even if two students score 65 points on two different exam, but one guy was taking an exam where you could only score a maximum of 70 points while the other guy was taking an exam where the max was 100 points, the former will be praised while the latter will not even if they both score the same flat number of points. Context matters, and even if the latter wants to argue that it is unfair that he should get praised like the other dude because they scored the same number of points, and that is not double standards. Frankly at this point everyone knows that Canelo will not rematch Bivol regardless of 168/175, nor go up to 175 to fight Artur/Benavides/Morrell. He's too small, and that is a physical fact. He managed to get a belt from an easy target which is more than enough to be a four division beltholder, but no one, even the most devoted Canelo fan, will be willing to argue that he is capable of becoming the best of 175 because there is a point where physical limitation makes things out of control, regardless of talent or skill. For same reason, I believe Inoue will become undisputed in 126 and then retire at that division in a few years or have the outside chance of getting a belt at 130 if the timing matches but he certainly won't clear out and go undisputed in a 4th division. Physical limitations exists, that is why weight classes exists in boxing. However given that he's very likely going to sit in 168 until his retirement, as long as he's staying there you would hope that he would fight the best of the mehs, even if they are left overs. The fact is that Canelo is considered the top guy of 168, and for the past five fights he has fought at 168 as the top guy of 168. Yet out of those five opponents he faced, not one of them were considered the top guy (outside himself, obviously) available in 168. GGG III was a retirement cashout not even a 168. Ryder was...forget top 1 was he even considered borderline top 10 back then, now to think of it? I believe the issue with bloated Charla has been more than discussed enough, not even a top 10 equivalent at 168. Munguia was...I think the third highest ranked after him behind the Davids? Berlanga is not even a top 5. With the Davids out of 168 ranking now and having already defeated Munguia, the next best guy available in a 168 is Mbilli but the crazy rumors are saying that he may be fighting Eubank Jr next, which is yet another choice worse than the best available of the leftovers of 168 (Mbilli). Coincidentally, all five guys that are ranked above him has fought the highest ranked guy of their own division excluding themselves atleast once in the last 5 fights, to go back to the original topic. You obviously are a huge fan of Canelo. You also aren't a mentally dumb person and I'm pretty sure you understand exactly what the difference is between the treatment they get, but just don't want to accept it because you really like Canelo. That is why every time someone mentions how Canelo's last five opponents are disappointing, you keep on pointing out the fact that Canelo's OVERALL resume is the best out of all active fighters (which I agree is true), but will never say that Canelo's last five opponents are the best out of all active fighter's last five opponents...because more than anyone else, you yourself know as not true and that there were multiple better opponents IN HIS OWN DIVISION that were available for picking, which he refused to take by choice. Are you willing to argue from the bottom of your heart that Canelo's last five opponents included the best guy in the division at the time? ​Canelo having the best total resume out of active fighters is a fact. Canelo not having fought the best guy after him in 168 at the time of the fight in the last 5 fights is also an undeniable fact. Think of it this way...since coming up to 168, when was the last fight where Canelo fought the best rated opponent in this division at the time of the fight excluding himself? Nelo will usually be the smaller guy in the ring, even at his best weight. What excuses do those who stay put have ??? I believe Nelo would have rematched Biv had he won. Now that he lost and is most likely going to rematch Beter, that plan is put on hold. GGG is considered a MW ATG because of his string of title defenses. PURE MEH, but he "fought the best available opps" (AKA, padded the resyme). Highly ranked GARBAGE :lol1: If a so called unbiased fight fan cannot absolutely judge EVERY FIGHTER EQUALLY, well, that fan may as well stay quiet ????? "KOs, doe :boxing: !"

Nelo will usually be the smaller man, even in his best div What excuse do those who sray put have ? GGG is considered a MW ATG because he cleaned out a dead div (AKA, fought the 'best' opps available) I believe Nelo would have rematched Biv had he won and or bot have a rematch vs Beter lingering. To not absolutely judge EVERY FIGHTER equally, well, a so called fight fan might as well stay quiet.....IMHO

Charla and Khan.....I could have done without I'm sure that can be said of every fighter It would be nice if all meh opps were pointed out Everyone seems to enjoy KOs so The "Monster's" meh opps are acceptable ? Unfortunately when you are significantly better than the rest of your division, everyone becomes a meh opponent by comparison regardless of who you fight. The difference is whether you at least chose the best available of your limited meh choices, or despite having a better choices available you deliberately choose the worse option. Simply speaking, even if two students score 65 points on two different exam, but one guy was taking an exam where you could only score a maximum of 70 points while the other guy was taking an exam where the max was 100 points, the former will be praised while the latter will not even if they both score the same flat number of points. Context matters, and even if the latter wants to argue that it is unfair that he should get praised like the other dude because they scored the same number of points, and that is not double standards. Frankly at this point everyone knows that Canelo will not rematch Bivol regardless of 168/175, nor go up to 175 to fight Artur/Benavides/Morrell. He's too small, and that is a physical fact. He managed to get a belt from an easy target which is more than enough to be a four division beltholder, but no one, even the most devoted Canelo fan, will be willing to argue that he is capable of becoming the best of 175 because there is a point where physical limitation makes things out of control, regardless of talent or skill. For same reason, I believe Inoue will become undisputed in 126 and then retire at that division in a few years or have the outside chance of getting a belt at 130 if the timing matches but he certainly won't clear out and go undisputed in a 4th division. Physical limitations exists, that is why weight classes exists in boxing. However given that he's very likely going to sit in 168 until his retirement, as long as he's staying there you would hope that he would fight the best of the mehs, even if they are left overs. The fact is that Canelo is considered the top guy of 168, and for the past five fights he has fought at 168 as the top guy of 168. Yet out of those five opponents he faced, not one of them were considered the top guy (outside himself, obviously) available in 168. GGG III was a retirement cashout not even a 168. Ryder was...forget top 1 was he even considered borderline top 10 back then, now to think of it? I believe the issue with bloated Charla has been more than discussed enough, not even a top 10 equivalent at 168. Munguia was...I think the third highest ranked after him behind the Davids? Berlanga is not even a top 5. With the Davids out of 168 ranking now and having already defeated Munguia, the next best guy available in a 168 is Mbilli but the crazy rumors are saying that he may be fighting Eubank Jr next, which is yet another choice worse than the best available of the leftovers of 168 (Mbilli). Coincidentally, all five guys that are ranked above him has fought the highest ranked guy of their own division excluding themselves atleast once in the last 5 fights, to go back to the original topic. You obviously are a huge fan of Canelo. You also aren't a mentally dumb person and I'm pretty sure you understand exactly what the difference is between the treatment they get, but just don't want to accept it because you really like Canelo. That is why every time someone mentions how Canelo's last five opponents are disappointing, you keep on pointing out the fact that Canelo's OVERALL resume is the best out of all active fighters (which I agree is true), but will never say that Canelo's last five opponents are the best out of all active fighter's last five opponents...because more than anyone else, you yourself know as not true and that there were multiple better opponents IN HIS OWN DIVISION that were available for picking, which he refused to take by choice. Are you willing to argue from the bottom of your heart that Canelo's last five opponents included the best guy in the division at the time? ​Canelo having the best total resume out of active fighters is a fact. Canelo not having fought the best guy after him in 168 at the time of the fight in the last 5 fights is also an undeniable fact. Think of it this way...since coming up to 168, when was the last fight where Canelo fought the best rated opponent in this division at the time of the fight excluding himself?

And I fully agree, because resume is cumulative. Given that his resume up to Bivol alone *****s everyone else, so of course adding five more mehs won't subtract from his resume, it just doesn't add on much more. The two statements can be true at the same time: 1) Canelo's resume overall is the best of all the active fighters. 2) Canelo's last 5 opponents were underwhelming and missed out on opponents fans wanted more. Keep in mind contrary to what you may think I actually like(d) Canelo's activity and fights until the last 1.5 years aka eff you worthless Charla match that should've been Benavides and none of this would've mattered. Charla and Khan.....I could have done without I'm sure that can be said of every fighter It would be nice if all meh opps were pointed out Everyone seems to enjoy KOs so The "Monster's" meh opps are acceptable ?

Thankyou very unintelligent censors you can no longer use even a generic phrase like "XXX tr umps YYY"

Nelo's resume, including his last 5 opps > everyone's No other way to say it And I fully agree, because resume is cumulative. Given that his resume up to Bivol alone trumps everyone else, so of course adding five more mehs won't subtract from his resume, it just doesn't add on much more. The two statements can be true at the same time: 1) Canelo's resume overall is the best of all the active fighters. 2) Canelo's last 5 opponents were underwhelming and missed out on opponents fans wanted more. Keep in mind contrary to what you may think I actually like(d) Canelo's activity and fights until the last 1.5 years aka eff you worthless Charla match that should've been Benavides and none of this would've mattered.