Will Bivol get any credit if he schools Beterbiev?

The thing I noticed is that Bivol seems to have a very good command of distance.they can’t get into range because Biv dominates the jabbing he’s the best today at parrying away the jab to fire back his own or catch & shoot. And has many different power shot counters for a jab Coupled with his quick footwork and long guard they struggle to get into their range ​Timing is elite. Ring IQ is elite. When you see a guy fighting against multiple different styles and the fights always looks the same, IMO it's because the fighter is imposing his style on the opponents. When you can do that to the likes of Canelo, not to mention different puzzles like Zurdo or Joe Smith Jr, you need to start looking at WHY none of those fighters with their different styles and physiques can do anything vs Bivol. He can fight going forward or going backward. He's always in balance and in range, and his opponents aren't. If he's getting pressured, he knows how to rack up points on the back foot, and RIGHT when to throw a combo (when the opponent has stepped into range but has a compromised stance--either too narrow in the case of Canelo, who likes to inch the back foot up, or too wide in the case of more conventional opponents). It's not always at the same time, and he doesn't exit the same side or angle every time, so his opponents have to guess. He's probably the hardest guy in all of boxing to walk down. Then, he knows when the opponent is trying to rest or gather themselves, and he can and will pressure them and push them back. Constant mental pressure. Speaking of pressure, Beterbiev is very skilled too, in addition to that power. It's going to be a very interesting, really perfect, clash of styles. Beterbiev has more ways to win because he's got the power and Bivol doesn't. And he fights on the front foot and judges usually reward that. Bivol likely needs to fight a basically perfect fight for 12 rounds to win. But Bivol pretty clearly has enough power to keep people honest, Beterbiev has been down quite a few times before and Bivol hasn't, and Bivol is both younger, and accustomed to fighting 12 rounds at the pace he always imposes. Beterbiev likes to rest periodically, and Bivol won't let him. That's likely going to present opportunities for Beterbiev, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him gas and look like Father Time has caught up because Bivol won't let him rest ever, and is more accustomed to the pace. Personally, if Bivol can either take the power or can use his own skills to keep Beterbiev sufficiently off him, I think he will run away with a wide victory (which will be too close on the cards) that will leave viewers thinking that Time has caught up to Beterbiev, and Beterbiev thinking it's time to hang it up. That movement and Bivol's tendency to jump on and push the larger guy back to prevent them from resting or building momentum will really frustrate Beterbiev, and he'll get sloppier and get hit more, allowing the decision to grow wider and wider. It won't be because Beterbiev is old though. It will be because Bivol is so deceptively good at things that look basic and imposed his fight on Beterbiev. But that rabbit punch of Beterbiev's is the great equalizer. Every single one of his fights has ended because he's always been able to land that punch consistently right behind the ear, and that's a very disorienting feeling. Since Bivol's style is so cerebral, and requires that ring IQ, if Beterbiev can land that anywhere close to early and consistently, then he'll likely just smash Bivol, probably within 8. I think whoever is best able to establish their jab in the first 4 rounds will likely be the ultimate winner. I predict it will look like a Bivol fight for the first 6 rounds, with Beterbiev stealing a couple rounds here and there. Then either Beterbiev will be able to gain momentum, as he does, and it will end in a TKO for Beterbiev, or he'll start to look more gassed than we've ever seen him by 9, and Bivol will win a wide decision. Of course, I could be totally off, and look like a fool on October 13. That's completely likely too. And credit to both if it's a closer fight than I expect.Bet is more likely to win a decision than he is stoppage 3 opponents who get hit way more than Biv have been into the double digit rounds with Bet Gvo kept trading and still made it to round 10 Biv has a habit of giving away a round after the 8th to take a breather Smith Jr took the 11th, Alvarez took the 9th, and Zurdo took the 10th No lapse in focus VS Bet. He lands a big shot, gains confidence, and gets into the fight The questions to be answered how will Bet respond when his jab is neutered and what kind of chin does Biv have I’m expecting many long range right hands to the body in this fight. Both are open for it and both are good at throwing it

Timing is elite. Ring IQ is elite. When you see a guy fighting against multiple different styles and the fights always looks the same, IMO it's because the fighter is imposing his style on the opponents. When you can do that to the likes of Canelo, not to mention different puzzles like Zurdo or Joe Smith Jr, you need to start looking at WHY none of those fighters with their different styles and physiques can do anything vs Bivol. He can fight going forward or going backward. He's always in balance and in range, and his opponents aren't. If he's getting pressured, he knows how to rack up points on the back foot, and RIGHT when to throw a combo (when the opponent has stepped into range but has a compromised stance--either too narrow in the case of Canelo, who likes to inch the back foot up, or too wide in the case of more conventional opponents). It's not always at the same time, and he doesn't exit the same side or angle every time, so his opponents have to guess. He's probably the hardest guy in all of boxing to walk down. Then, he knows when the opponent is trying to rest or gather themselves, and he can and will pressure them and push them back. Constant mental pressure. Speaking of pressure, Beterbiev is very skilled too, in addition to that power. It's going to be a very interesting, really perfect, clash of styles. Beterbiev has more ways to win because he's got the power and Bivol doesn't. And he fights on the front foot and judges usually reward that. Bivol likely needs to fight a basically perfect fight for 12 rounds to win. But Bivol pretty clearly has enough power to keep people honest, Beterbiev has been down quite a few times before and Bivol hasn't, and Bivol is both younger, and accustomed to fighting 12 rounds at the pace he always imposes. Beterbiev likes to rest periodically, and Bivol won't let him. That's likely going to present opportunities for Beterbiev, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him gas and look like Father Time has caught up because Bivol won't let him rest ever, and is more accustomed to the pace. Personally, if Bivol can either take the power or can use his own skills to keep Beterbiev sufficiently off him, I think he will run away with a wide victory (which will be too close on the cards) that will leave viewers thinking that Time has caught up to Beterbiev, and Beterbiev thinking it's time to hang it up. That movement and Bivol's tendency to jump on and push the larger guy back to prevent them from resting or building momentum will really frustrate Beterbiev, and he'll get sloppier and get hit more, allowing the decision to grow wider and wider. It won't be because Beterbiev is old though. It will be because Bivol is so deceptively good at things that look basic and imposed his fight on Beterbiev. But that rabbit punch of Beterbiev's is the great equalizer. Every single one of his fights has ended because he's always been able to land that punch consistently right behind the ear, and that's a very disorienting feeling. Since Bivol's style is so cerebral, and requires that ring IQ, if Beterbiev can land that anywhere close to early and consistently, then he'll likely just smash Bivol, probably within 8. I think whoever is best able to establish their jab in the first 4 rounds will likely be the ultimate winner. I predict it will look like a Bivol fight for the first 6 rounds, with Beterbiev stealing a couple rounds here and there. Then either Beterbiev will be able to gain momentum, as he does, and it will end in a TKO for Beterbiev, or he'll start to look more gassed than we've ever seen him by 9, and Bivol will win a wide decision. Of course, I could be totally off, and look like a fool on October 13. That's completely likely too. And credit to both if it's a closer fight than I expect.

The thing I noticed is that Bivol seems to have a very good command of distance. Yeah his feet are excellent, has very good judgement of range too.

I don’t see these supposed layers, I think it’s very basic, high guard to block punches, feet to control range. It’s undoubtedly effective but I highly doubt it’ll be effective when a guy can consistently get into range. Bivol doesn’t use reflexes like Floyd, Sweet Pea etc, he’s not a slippery fighter. He’s just very good fundamentally. The thing I noticed is that Bivol seems to have a very good command of distance.

I see no resemblance of Pep in Bivol. :lol1:In tactics not style of course individualist freedom loving Americans will be more fluid the imperialist Russians follow their almighty state and have a structured systematic approach to boxing Bet’s trainer Ramsay describes Biv as robotic it’s his control of distance timing and feints that make his repetitive combos land Biv began boxing at 6 years of age in Kyrgyzstan. Land of the independent nomadic Central Asians. Biv Soviet Step gallops in at high speeds like a wild horse these other fighters from the Russian Empire can’t Soviet Step like Biv:cool:: Bet, Usyk, Loma

fundamentals are fundamentals for a reason they work most of the time as the Mayweather once said mastering the fundamentals is what brought him so far One must be black or a Slique White Chocolate like Alvarez to have that upper body fluidity Biv defense more along the lines of a Willie Pep: win the battle of jabbing to control distance Biv doesnt always high guard. He alternates between high and long. Whenever he boxes with a lower lead hand that’s long guard time to stuff opponents I see no resemblance of Pep in Bivol. :lol1:

I don’t see these supposed layers, I think it’s very basic, high guard to block punches, feet to control range. It’s undoubtedly effective but I highly doubt it’ll be effective when a guy can consistently get into range. Bivol doesn’t use reflexes like Floyd, Sweet Pea etc, he’s not a slippery fighter. He’s just very good fundamentally. fundamentals are fundamentals for a reason they work most of the time as the Mayweather once said mastering the fundamentals is what brought him so far One must be black or a Slique White Chocolate like Alvarez to have that upper body fluidity Biv defense more along the lines of a Willie Pep: win the battle of jabbing to control distance Biv doesnt always high guard. He alternates between high and long. Whenever he boxes with a lower lead hand that’s long guard time to stuff opponents

it’s the multiple layers of defense and options that make him hard to hit Alvarez landed like 2 or 3 good right uppers but Biv adjusted it away after the 4th round I don’t see these supposed layers, I think it’s very basic, high guard to block punches, feet to control range. It’s undoubtedly effective but I highly doubt it’ll be effective when a guy can consistently get into range. Bivol doesn’t use reflexes like Floyd, Sweet Pea etc, he’s not a slippery fighter. He’s just very good fundamentally.

I don’t think Bivol’s guard will be a major problem. His movement could be though. it’s the multiple layers of defense and options that make him hard to hit Alvarez landed like 2 or 3 good right uppers but Biv adjusted it away after the 4th round

Biv is in a strange situation. He would get the most credit winning a wide 9-3 decision with competitive rounds Dominating Bet results in division. Some would excuse Bet’s condition Most credit Biv winning with Bet taking rounds 3, 4, and 8 OR 9. Bet was still good but Biv was too smart and adjusted to outbox him wide ​If Bet cannot hit Biv with the jab, he cannot hit him with sht. If Bet jab doesn’t land, nothing else will Long guard of Biv will be the problem for Bet Biv long guard helps shut down Bet’s jab via traffic, parries, hand trapping, and head control you’ll see Bet outlanding Gvozdyk in jabs starting in round 1 Ukrainian didn’t have the skill set to neuter Bet’s ******* jab which setup that bludgeon overhand Biv is a fundamental fighter. Nothing flashy. Outjab the opponent so I can land power and he cant Bet will go for his long right hook downstairs. Biv has been practicing his rear upper Bet went pro late at 28 and has less wear & tear than most 39 year old boxers. Similar with the 33 Biv who started at 24 but why does Biv always yield whenever Bet pulls his ask him why the fight didn’t happen sooner ​ I don’t think Bivol’s guard will be a major problem. His movement could be though.

I have Beterbiev by vicious KO so if Bivol wins I’ll more tha. Give him props.

I get the feeling it's a bit of a no win situation for Bivol. If he wins, I'm sure people will start saying Beterbiev is an injury prone old fighter. But it's not like it's a lie either. I can't wait for the fight and have been picking Bivol for years but I get the feeling he's not going to get enough credit if he wins. It's a shame this fight didn't happen two or three years ago. Beterbiev and Top Rank have avoided this fight for years. Beterbiev even ran from DAZN as as Bivol joined seeking that fight. It was only Saudi money that's getting Beterbiev in the ring. Not to put a downer on the fight, I'm very excited but it's just a shame that there might be an asterisk if Bivol wins because Beterbiev is 40 and postponed his last 3 fights just to injury, not to mention an atypical finding in a test. It often seems these fights never happen in a situation where there can be no excuse regarding the winner and loser. - - Appearing Clowns can't die, can only have asterisks for brain cells is it now? Top 5 Dumberest Post of the Year...DPY...:popcorn:

Bivol has been calling out Beterbiev since 2019, and it's been Beterbiev's side, especially Arum, who have been refusing to make the fight. Beterbiev literally left Matchroom the same day Bivol signed. Arum is on record saying he wasn't going to make the fight multiple times. So if Beterbiev is too old or injured, that's entirely on Beterbiev. He's had 5 years to make this fight. And Beterbiev is the boxer-puncher. He's got more ways to win than Bivol, who needs to fight a perfect fight for 12 rounds and not get clipped by that rabbit punch from Beterbiev, who's managed to land it on everyone who's ever faced. If Beterbiev makes it to the ring and the fight happens, Bivol gets full credit for beating him.so Bet pulled a pacquiao by stalling the fight it was stalled until it backfired but Bet’s injury is real while manny made up a fictional story

Bivol has been calling out Beterbiev since 2019, and it's been Beterbiev's side, especially Arum, who have been refusing to make the fight. Beterbiev literally left Matchroom the same day Bivol signed. Arum is on record saying he wasn't going to make the fight multiple times. So if Beterbiev is too old or injured, that's entirely on Beterbiev. He's had 5 years to make this fight. And Beterbiev is the boxer-puncher. He's got more ways to win than Bivol, who needs to fight a perfect fight for 12 rounds and not get clipped by that rabbit punch from Beterbiev, who's managed to land it on everyone who's ever faced. If Beterbiev makes it to the ring and the fight happens, Bivol gets full credit for beating him.

Let's not forget that while Beterbiev didn't turn pro until later, he was still training, sparring and fighting in the amateurs. He started boxing around the age of 10 if my memory serves me right and he had something around 300 amateur fights. It may not be the same wear and tear as the professional ranks but it is still wear and tear nonetheless. and what does Bet do after if Biv wins Bet will be seen as having aged well if he has good performances after Bet Zurdo Bet Jai all good matches Bet will have done everything there is to do at LHW by facing Bivol The smaller Biv should spend sometime reigning over 175 i think bet rehydrates to 195 on fight night to Biv’s 185

Let's not forget that while Beterbiev didn't turn pro until later, he was still training, sparring and fighting in the amateurs. He started boxing around the age of 10 if my memory serves me right and he had something around 300 amateur fights. It may not be the same wear and tear as the professional ranks but it is still wear and tear nonetheless.

Built in excuses are laughable If a guy is too old vs a certain level of opponent, he shouldn't fight that opponent. It's ridiculous how age is only mentioned when the comp is somewhat dangerous. His fans didn't seem age was an issue with his last opponent. You're right, though. L/L situation - If he doesn't fight Beter, he scurd If he beats Beter, Beter was too old. Any excuse if Biv loses :lol1: ?!?!? I usually side with the boxer when it's vs a puncher. Punchers tend to get lost if their power is not effective.Biv is in a strange situation. He would get the most credit winning a wide 9-3 decision with competitive rounds Dominating Bet results in division. Some would excuse Bet’s condition Most credit Biv winning with Bet taking rounds 3, 4, and 8 OR 9. Bet was still good but Biv was too smart and adjusted to outbox him wide I think he would get a lot of credit. Beterbiev may be 39 and has had injuries but he’s unquestionably still an elite fighter. You’ll get the same idiots who discredit everything, you know the guys who call 40-0 Canelo “green” or act as if Spence went straight from a car crash into the ring with Bud. The real fans will give credit where it’s due though. I ain’t picking Bivol too FTR, I think Beterbiev is going to stop him, I don’t think Bivol is anywhere near as difficult to hit as people think, I expect Artur to obliterate that high guard. I also think people severely underestimate Artur’s boxing brain and ring IQ. May the best man win though, can’t wait!!​If Bet cannot hit Biv with the jab, he cannot hit him with sht. If Bet jab doesn’t land, nothing else will Long guard of Biv will be the problem for Bet Biv long guard helps shut down Bet’s jab via traffic, parries, hand trapping, and head control you’ll see Bet outlanding Gvozdyk in jabs starting in round 1 Ukrainian didn’t have the skill set to neuter Bet’s shotgun jab which setup that bludgeon overhand Biv is a fundamental fighter. Nothing flashy. Outjab the opponent so I can land power and he cant Bet will go for his long right hook downstairs. Biv has been practicing his rear upper He will get credit from me. Beterbiev is still a monster. a highly skilled one at that. I think it's entirely acceptable about putting a fight into context, we shouldn't pretend that Artur isn't 39 or hasn't dealt with injuries. However, I think there segments of the boxing community that will always be unhappy or unwilling to acknowledge accomplishments no matter what. Bet went pro late at 28 and has less wear & tear than most 39 year old boxers. Similar with the 33 Biv who started at 24 Beterbiev left DAZN when Bivol joined. he has nobody but himself to blaim the fight didn`t happen earlier.but why does Biv always yield whenever Bet pulls his ask him why the fight didn’t happen sooner ​

If you mean school like how Bivol schooled Boos Nelo then of course he gets a ton of credits ... :D

Either fighter will get full credit if they win the fight.

Beterbiev left DAZN when Bivol joined. he has nobody but himself to blaim the fight didn`t happen earlier.