41 year old Anthony Joshua vs 27 year old Wladimir Klitschko

We have to wait for AJ to reach 41.

The difference between Wlad and AJ was Manny steward. Young Wlad was brutally KTFO by Sanders, Brewster and Purity, floored 3x by an immobile Sam Peter and crawling on the floor, his own brother Vitali urged him to retire. Wlad hit that low point, moved to Steward and spent 6 or 7 YEARS slowly rebuilding his reputation. Newcomer casuals don't know any of this, the fact that Wlad spent 80% of his career considered a glass jawed cannon who was "lucky he was in a weak era and had his brother to fight all the dangerous opponents". It was only in the last few years of his career and post retirement that he became a respected statesman. Anyway AJ didn't have the benefit of years with one of the greatest trainers the world has ever seen to completely change his style, he spent most of his career with "meat and potatoes Mckracken" and then went through a couple of American shysters and now it's too late for him. Still, 4 world titles and a 2x unified champion isn't bad.

Does it last 11 rounds? It would be intriguing to see if Joshua, at that age, could handle the relentless pace and precision of Wlad in his prime. drive mad

Obviously Wlad would win. Some fighters drop off quicker than others and AJ has really dropped off. AJ boxed like he’s just taken up the sport. No fluidity in anything he does. It’s remarkable how successful he’s been tbh

Well, at that age, Wladimir Klitschko was getting blown away in two rounds by Corrie Sanders, so.....it's a close call.

Wlad at 41 beats Wlad at 27, so there's that. Maybe Joshua hits his peak at 41 and becomes an unstoppable force. Until that day, we don't know, so let's revisit this in 6 years to reassess. Nash out - His Majesty

I'm not sure about the answer to your question, but one thing about them two, they're very similar overall. Genetic freaks (well, I'm pretty sure juice helped) and had really good power. Yet their chin were always their Achilles heel. I think if anything, it proves how much smarter Wlad was as a fighter. He knew his chin was his downfall and he tweaked his style a tad to be more defensive and not engage recklessly. AJ on the other hand seems to enjoy going to war, even if he knows he just might get KO'd in the process. This is probably why Wlad's career extended into his early 40s as champ. I'm not sure I can see AJ doing the same thing with his current style and lack of defense. The difference was two things, Manny Steward and also better contenders around now. Wlad during much of his 10 year reign was fighting obese American midgets, now I know people will make the Andy Ruiz comment here, but he is far better than most of Wlads opponents. Wlads opponents looked beaten at the press conferences and barely tried in the ring, for years it was a procession of fat American heavyweights who were happy to jump on the floor at the first available opportunity. Ruiz isn't that kind of guy, he's very dangerous when hit. Wlads best two wins were Povetkin and Haye, two small 220lb heavyweights who he clinched the hell out of both of them and were just too small at the end of the day. Joshua has lost to Ruiz, Usyk and Dubois. I wouldn't be 100% confident in picking Wlad over any of those three.

Wlad learnt from losses so at 40 was still good. If Josh can.learn then who knows? Maybe at 40 Josh will develop aura of invincibility after going on unbeaten run?

26 year old Wladimir got manhandled and absolutely obliterated by 37 year old Corrie Sanders. And 28 yr old Wladimir got KTFO by Lamon Brewster. If anything, he was much better and more patient when he was older.

To answer the original question: AJ at 41 seems to me will be in shambles, if not retired. So there. Wlad had some terrible losses, but he didn't shy away from adopting the octopus style from then on and never looked back. AJ still tries to bang sometimes, hence another bad loss. And as for their fight, it was fun! I won't ever forget Wald trying to do a Mike Tyson after being blasted with an uppercut in the 11th. How his head didn't leave his shoulders is beyond me.

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https://tbrb.org/rankings-archive TBRB hadn't had him ranked since the end of 2016. He fought AJ April 2017. That's 5 months of being unranked prior to the fight. But yes, before he was removed *five months prior to the Joshua fight* he was #1. Cool. Gets points for being ranked at some point during negotiations I guess. Yes it was a massive fight. You keep saying that. It was a massive fight. Again, cool. Doesn't make it some phenomenal win because it was in a stadium. But yeah, you got me. He was only 41 years old. They took him out in their December 2016 ratings. He was ranked 1 in November. They gave the reason as the information they had "at the end of November 2016 was that Klitschko was turning down fights". Yet the WBA sanctioned the fight at the start of November and it was announced in the ring December 10th. Basically, they screwed up. He constantly had world title level fights booked and they unranked him on incorrect information. Regardless, he was ranked 1 up to December 2016. Fair to say that he was still considered to be a very high level of competition.

You use 'literally' before starting Wlad was 42. So not 'literally'. Of course he wasn't sitting at home. You know full well what he was doing. He was in multiple camps for the rematch for the unified heavyweight championship of the world. TBRB had him at 1. Before removing him for not having a fight booked in the same month that the fight v Joshua was announced. He was widely considered to still be a very top level fighter. It was a massive, massive fight. Why am I even debating with you when I'm just restating facts? https://tbrb.org/rankings-archive TBRB hadn't had him ranked since the end of 2016. He fought AJ April 2017. That's 5 months of being unranked prior to the fight. But yes, before he was removed *five months prior to the Joshua fight* he was #1. Cool. Gets points for being ranked at some point during negotiations I guess. Yes it was a massive fight. You keep saying that. It was a massive fight. Again, cool. Doesn't make it some phenomenal win because it was in a stadium. But yeah, you got me. He was only 41 years old.

So he wasn't sitting at home for 18 months collecting retirement? I'm looking at the TBRB rankings right now, at no point was Wlad ranked at any point in 2017 until AFTER the AJ fight. Just like he was ranked in the 2016 ring Annual rankings, but was unranked by Ring in April going into the AJ fight. **** do I care about ABC rankings? Ppl just use them when they're applicable to their argument, like you're doing now. literally went life and death with a 42 year old man who hadn't had a win in over 2 years, and hadn't hurt or dropped anyone in 3 years. hall of fame win right there. You use 'literally' before starting Wlad was 42. So not 'literally'. Of course he wasn't sitting at home. You know full well what he was doing. He was in multiple camps for the rematch for the unified heavyweight championship of the world. TBRB had him at 1. Before removing him for not having a fight booked in the same month that the fight v Joshua was announced. He was widely considered to still be a very top level fighter. It was a massive, massive fight. Why am I even debating with you when I'm just restating facts?

He was ranked 1 by TBRB just a couple of months before... 1 by Ring. 2 by WBA. 3 by IBF. It's a very good win. You don't get to revise the status of that fight 7 years later. So he wasn't sitting at home for 18 months collecting retirement? I'm looking at the TBRB rankings right now, at no point was Wlad ranked at any point in 2017 until AFTER the AJ fight. Just like he was ranked in the 2016 ring Annual rankings, but was unranked by Ring in April going into the AJ fight. Fuck do I care about ABC rankings? Ppl just use them when they're applicable to their argument, like you're doing now. literally went life and death with a 42 year old man who hadn't had a win in over 2 years, and hadn't hurt or dropped anyone in 3 years. hall of fame win right there.

He was actually unranked, being inactive for 17 months and being winless in over 24. He was ranked 1 by TBRB just a couple of months before... 1 by Ring. 2 by WBA. 3 by IBF. It's a very good win. You don't get to revise the status of that fight 7 years later.

So you didn't really need to consider what AJ will be like at 41. Because it doesn't matter. You think AJ's Wlad win is overrated. I think it's impressive that a boxer in his 19th pro right beat a guy who was very highly ranked. You might remember it was a huge fight. Wlad at 41 was still considered one of the best in the division. That's who he was at 41. He was actually unranked, being inactive for 17 months and being winless in over 24.

Shit, a 34 year old AJ gets flatlined by 41 year old Klitschko

considering what AJ looks like at 34 its pretty easy to see he wont last to 41 doesnt require much imagination. the point is that AJ's win gets way overrated when he was dropped by a 41 year old that was already thoroughly outboxed by Fury 2 years earlier. So you didn't really need to consider what AJ will be like at 41. Because it doesn't matter. You think AJ's Wlad win is overrated. I think it's impressive that a boxer in his 19th pro right beat a guy who was very highly ranked. You might remember it was a huge fight. Wlad at 41 was still considered one of the best in the division. That's who he was at 41.

I'm not sure about the answer to your question, but one thing about them two, they're very similar overall. Genetic freaks (well, I'm pretty sure juice helped) and had really good power. Yet their chin were always their Achilles heel. I think if anything, it proves how much smarter Wlad was as a fighter. He knew his chin was his downfall and he tweaked his style a tad to be more defensive and not engage recklessly. AJ on the other hand seems to enjoy going to war, even if he knows he just might get KO'd in the process. This is probably why Wlad's career extended into his early 40s as champ. I'm not sure I can see AJ doing the same thing with his current style and lack of defense. AJ never found a solution to deal with pressure. especially after Ruiz 1. Wlad after his KO loss to sanders went to stewart who taught him lennox style and how to fight for his height, stop leaning over, clinch if excessively ect. atleast gave him the tools to deal with pressure. AJ changing trainers all the time and having a bunch of hanger ons doesnt help him at all