All of those muscles just goes to show that…

Most of the greats, atg’s or legends at one point in their careers became resigned to the fact that if they have to come back in a fight…they have to take punches to give punches. Joshua gets hit because he has no defense, not because he took that risk. He makes that choice mentally not to get hit, when hit. People were fooled when he beat 41 year old Wlad, but I saw his flaws then just as I saw Wilders. We always wanted to see what would happen if Joshua had to go to plan B. He has never wavered into a fighter and said, imma fight him on the inside and see where that takes me. He was always a bit hesitant, and that separation is why there is great, atg, and legends in that ring. His chin isn’t the problem. It’s just one of a few flaws that he’s always had. He gets too much credit for the Wlad fight. He was old, inactive and they were sparring partners.

I really didn't. I figured I knew where it was going. Same as after the second sentence here. He very definitively does have boxing skills. He definitely has flaws too, but you don't outbox the guys he's outboxed without boxing skills. You don't do it without very high level boxing skills.You read everything that I post, foh lmao. It’s a debate and difference of opinion nothing more. It’s never personal. We’re not in that ring at their level so we give our opinions. True judgement of his career comes after he retires.

Hes no Larry Holmes but he definitely had some boxing skills, albeit with plenty of flaws, but of course his size, athleticism and power was a major part of his effectiveness.

You read the whole post. He doesn’t have boxing skills. He has power when he can hit you, and that’s it. I know that this is hard to take, but he has major flaws that were hidden because has gotten away with it using his power to bail him out. I pointed out his flaws …I don’t taint fighters careers. What he has accomplished in the ring counts, but his flaws is why he was outboxed and kod. You’ve seen his losses, now ask yourself why he lost. Many fighters have lost in the past, and lost respectably. People don’t feel that way about Joshua’s losses. He’s always given an excuse by his fans. He didn’t lose because he had a bad night or that the other guy was just better. He was out iced twice and stopped twice, and his power was a non factor in all of those fights. He isn’t a fighter that can change his game plan when his power can’t bail him out. I really didn't. I figured I knew where it was going. Same as after the second sentence here. He very definitively does have boxing skills. He definitely has flaws too, but you don't outbox the guys he's outboxed without boxing skills. You don't do it without very high level boxing skills.

I have seen him jab, avoid punches and has multiple punches he uses. It is a reason why a Wilder or Fury fight was interesting because he does possess skills. He is a type of fighter when the fight does not goes his way he starts to diminish mentally. Both Usyk fights he was trying to win and adjusted but Usyk has a second gear and is able to adjust even more in a fight. Most of the greats, atg’s or legends at one point in their careers became resigned to the fact that if they have to come back in a fight…they have to take punches to give punches. Joshua gets hit because he has no defense, not because he took that risk. He makes that choice mentally not to get hit, when hit. People were fooled when he beat 41 year old Wlad, but I saw his flaws then just as I saw Wilders. We always wanted to see what would happen if Joshua had to go to plan B. He has never wavered into a fighter and said, imma fight him on the inside and see where that takes me. He was always a bit hesitant, and that separation is why there is great, atg, and legends in that ring. His chin isn’t the problem. It’s just one of a few flaws that he’s always had.

Goal medalist and twice unified champion never had boxing skills. It's a shame you made a statement like that because if you hadn't, then I might have read the rest of the post. You read the whole post. He doesn’t have boxing skills. He has power when he can hit you, and that’s it. I know that this is hard to take, but he has major flaws that were hidden because has gotten away with it using his power to bail him out. I pointed out his flaws …I don’t taint fighters careers. What he has accomplished in the ring counts, but his flaws is why he was outboxed and kod. You’ve seen his losses, now ask yourself why he lost. Many fighters have lost in the past, and lost respectably. People don’t feel that way about Joshua’s losses. He’s always given an excuse by his fans. He didn’t lose because he had a bad night or that the other guy was just better. He was out iced twice and stopped twice, and his power was a non factor in all of those fights. He isn’t a fighter that can change his game plan when his power can’t bail him out.

No he doesn’t. He can’t fight inside. And he needs a stand still target. But I agree that he isn’t mentally weak. I meant to say that he “is” mentally weak, but he has heart.

I tried telling the English muffins that not only wasn't AJ on Lennox Lewis' level, he was never on a prime Tyson Fury's level either. He wasn't even better than Frank Bruno. :boxing:

AJ never had true boxing skills and that muscles don’t help you win fights. He isn’t a smart fighter either. I don’t question his heart at all but, he just can’t fight inside when it comes to a fire fight because he doesn’t have defense. He doesn’t and never had a flair for throwing punches, and needs his target to stand still. Dubois should be the true hvw champ right now or should’ve fought Fury for that title. Imo he ko’d Usyk with that body shot that the ref blatantly called low. That **** wasn’t low. He didn’t even act like he got hit low. He acted like he was gasping for air. That was a sham low blow that was called keeping it G. I’d love to see that rematch. AJ’s career at the elite level is over. His biggest flaw like Wilder is that they couldn’t fight on the inside when they had to. Fighting on the inside is a lost art in today’s heavies. Only a few heavies can still do that today. Hes as gifted as you need to be champ. That said, its hard to stay HUNGRY when you wake up in mansions and silk pajamas.

I honestly forget that muscles can be a burden in boxing when I've watched AJ. He's been pretty consistent in how he performs, whether for better or worse. I can't say I've seen him let's say gas out in 4-5 rds because of the muscles. Honestly, I think that was more of an issue people used to complain about Wlad who was also chiseled. I think it hasn't burdened AJ the same way. That said, muscles mean nothing in your chin. You either got one or don't. AJ's weak spot is definitely there and at this point his career, it isn't going to get any better.

AJ’s biggest problem is his Chin by far. The guy cant take a shot hes constantly on kweer street. His chin is a problem but even more then his chin, I think his sense of self preservation is the main problem. You tag AJ with a punch and it's like hitting the reset button on him, his mind says "DANGER" and he immediately tries to backpedal and figure out what went wrong. Pressure him and his brain and his body can't keep up.

Bizarre that he thought he was going to fight with his hands by his chest and paw the jab. That's not how he fought Usyk. It sufficed for Ngannou, but come on now.

No he doesn’t. He can’t fight inside. And he needs a stand still target. But I agree that he isn’t mentally weak. I have seen him jab, avoid punches and has multiple punches he uses. It is a reason why a Wilder or Fury fight was interesting because he does possess skills. He is a type of fighter when the fight does not goes his way he starts to diminish mentally. Both Usyk fights he was trying to win and adjusted but Usyk has a second gear and is able to adjust even more in a fight.

He takes punches and keeps fighting. Wlad and Ruiz pinged him mercilessly and couldn't keep him on the canvas for a 10 count. Dubois smashed him around the ring for 13 minutes before he failed to beat a count. Getting hit by heavyweights will hurt you. It's just a fact. His reaction to getting hurt was always a concern though, going right back to the Wlad fight. He immediately lost his composure. Fury's chin has been lauded but he's been put on kweer street too by a couple of fighters (and he's only really fought 3 decent ones - one of whom didn't throw anything)... but he has some survival instincts that kick in. Joshua's reaction has always been to lose his way and just become a target until he lands something in return to slow the attack down. Dubois showed something else... You could see he was stung in the 5th. His reaction? Back off and get your composure. By the time Joshua came in, Dubois was waiting for him, not a target. AJ gets hit and stays hit, that's his problem. He hasn't got a chin where he gets touched and it's lights out. Dubois is the first to keep him down. Fury is like a bigger Juan Manuel Marquez. You can drop them, both have hit the deck a fair few times but their recovery rate is very rapid.

AJ never had true boxing skills and that muscles don’t help you win fights. He isn’t a smart fighter either. I don’t question his heart at all but, he just can’t fight inside when it comes to a fire fight because he doesn’t have defense. He doesn’t and never had a flair for throwing punches, and needs his target to stand still. Dubois should be the true hvw champ right now or should’ve fought Fury for that title. Imo he ko’d Usyk with that body shot that the ref blatantly called low. That **** wasn’t low. He didn’t even act like he got hit low. He acted like he was gasping for air. That was a sham low blow that was called keeping it G. I’d love to see that rematch. AJ’s career at the elite level is over. His biggest flaw like Wilder is that they couldn’t fight on the inside when they had to. Fighting on the inside is a lost art in today’s heavies. Only a few heavies can still do that today. Yep I always said it.

AJ's biggest weakness is his glass jaw. That was always going to hold him back, just like with Amir Khan a decade ago. If you can't take a punch, then you can only get so far in the game.

Goal medalist and twice unified champion never had boxing skills. It's a shame you made a statement like that because if you hadn't, then I might have read the rest of the post. hes only skilled if the opponent fights his fight. he is pretty clumsy when he is made to back up. he fights with his head straight up in the air, doesnt control his footwork, no defense. he makes major major mistakes when pressured.

AJ’s biggest problem is his Chin by far. The guy cant take a shot hes constantly on kweer street. hes got no defense and he cant fight going backwards. usyk explained it well he doesnt move his feet right when hes pressured and just tries to lean back.

AJ’s biggest problem is his Chin by far. The guy cant take a shot hes constantly on kweer street. He takes punches and keeps fighting. Wlad and Ruiz pinged him mercilessly and couldn't keep him on the canvas for a 10 count. Dubois smashed him around the ring for 13 minutes before he failed to beat a count. Getting hit by heavyweights will hurt you. It's just a fact. His reaction to getting hurt was always a concern though, going right back to the Wlad fight. He immediately lost his composure. Fury's chin has been lauded but he's been put on kweer street too by a couple of fighters (and he's only really fought 3 decent ones - one of whom didn't throw anything)... but he has some survival instincts that kick in. Joshua's reaction has always been to lose his way and just become a target until he lands something in return to slow the attack down. Dubois showed something else... You could see he was stung in the 5th. His reaction? Back off and get your composure. By the time Joshua came in, Dubois was waiting for him, not a target.

AJ’s biggest problem is his Chin by far. The guy cant take a shot hes constantly on kweer street.