Why is no one giving Fury a chance in the rematch

It feels like Usyk beating Fury in the rematch is a forgone conclusion. Why? Fury did vert well during those middle rounds and gave Usyk more difficulty than any other fighter. Does Fury have a good shot to avenge the loss in the rematch? Are you giving Fury a good chance? I expect fury to win the rematch.

Only a clinically deranged person could believe Tyson Fury won that first fight. Well, apparently one of the judges was "clinically deranged" because it was a split decision And the other 2 judges only had it 114-113 & 115-113. Fury only got wiped out to AJ stans & Euro stans. It was a close fight that could've gone either way to those of us with no interests involved

I thought he won the first fight. People (especially AJ stans) hate Tyson Fury because he talks a lot, so a lot of them have been rooting for anything bad to happen to him & purposely underrate him & his record to elevate AJ. Only a clinically deranged person could believe Tyson Fury won that first fight.

I thought he won the first fight. People (especially AJ stans) hate Tyson Fury because he talks a lot, so a lot of them have been rooting for anything bad to happen to him & purposely underrate him & his record to elevate AJ.

Can Fury win? Yes. Will he win? Probably not. Fury did everithing right in he first fight. He has had a great training camp. He hurt Usyk early in the fight. But he still wouldn't adjust. He gassed out, started dropping his hands and almost got stopped. Honestly, I can't see Fury doing it better while I can see Usyk avoiding getting hut next time. Fury did everything right in the first fight? Really? Geez I never wanted to defend Fury in a thread but this is ridiculous. When does any fighter fight a perfect fight? One could argue Fury did so against Vlad, and perhaps against Wilder the first time... you know when he almost got Ko'ed? Up until that point. Even in these two fights Fury could have done better. My point is, again there is this silly general sentiment that Fury has no room to improve his strategy, blew his best load, where does this come from? This was a close fight, a split decision decided by a round... Let me make a distinction: When El F a g (the poster) says "Fury just does not have the stamina and cannot win enough rounds," that makes sense, whether one agrees with it, or not. It is a specific area that troubled Fury. But to say that the last fight was Fury's best effort... How the fck would you, or anyone know that? Fury has fought in multiple styles, he has shown a high ring IQ, and while he has been in some bruising fights, he is technically just entering his twilight... Yes Usyk is, and always will be more athletic... So? Since when do we conclude such a thing from a close fight, where both men were pushed hard? On what basis do you say Usyk can get better from the fight and Fury cannot? lol. I would totally understand if the fight had even been like the Usyk Joshua fights... But it wasn't, Usyk said as much.

Here’s the deal. Fury’s fight with Usyk was very eerily reminiscent of Muhammad Ali vs Leon Spinks I in the reverse. Ali would have easily won that fight had he not spotted Spinks the first six rounds. He believed that Leon would eventually tire himself out. However, it was Ali who tired himself out by attempting to fight that kid off of him for 15 rounds. Like Tyson Fury; Ali believed that he was the much better athlete. However, he wasn’t. Spinks was the much better athlete. By 1978 Ali’s body had aged and his skills were declining. Just like Usyk is a much better athlete than Tyson Fury. Despite being more than a year and a half older than him Likewise, Fury’s body is now showing signs of decline and aging too. Like Ali, Fury dominated the first half of the fight but hit a wall in the second half of it. Usyk simply outhustled him in the second half of it to pull off the upset. To sum it all up. Muhammad Ali underestimated Spinks and paid dearly for it, Just as Tyson Fury underestimated Oleksandr Usyk and paid dearly it. Which were the key factors in both of them losing their respective bouts. Lastly, never discuss what you and your boyfriend like to do in the bedroom. That is only for you and your husband to know. LOL, circle jerk my ass! Really? lol. An aged Ali ... a very smart guy thought he would tire Leon out? Ok... lol. you are a self righteous idiot. Cir cle je rk indeed! Lets see the official odds of the fight then compare a thread that states "nobody gives Fury a chance" shall we? idiot BTW yes... Fury is not an athlete, never really has been one, he is a fighter. Usyk is both, thats about the only thing you posted that makes sense.

Can Fury win? Yes. Will he win? Probably not. Fury did everithing right in he first fight. He has had a great training camp. He hurt Usyk early in the fight. But he still wouldn't adjust. He gassed out, started dropping his hands and almost got stopped. Honestly, I can't see Fury doing it better while I can see Usyk avoiding getting hut next time.

Yep... Those Wilder fights were life changing tough, for both guys. Goes to show how much a rivalry, when two legit dangerous opponents fight for keeps, can take a toll. It’s the deal. good to see someone on this thread that seems to be mostly a crcle jrk for Usyk, saw when Usyk was hurt. I would have given the fight to Usyk as well, but it was close and Fury would have done himself a favor if he just took the count when he was hurt that round. It looked worse than it was, probably affected scoring as well. If he had just went down, he could have come back... he was actually having a good round at the start. Here’s the deal. Fury’s fight with Usyk was very eerily reminiscent of Muhammad Ali vs Leon Spinks I in the reverse. Ali would have easily won that fight had he not spotted Spinks the first six rounds. He believed that Leon would eventually tire himself out. However, it was Ali who tired himself out by attempting to fight that kid off of him for 15 rounds. Like Tyson Fury; Ali believed that he was the much better athlete. However, he wasn’t. Spinks was the much better athlete. By 1978 Ali’s body had aged and his skills were declining. Just like Usyk is a much better athlete than Tyson Fury. Despite being more than a year and a half older than him Likewise, Fury’s body is now showing signs of decline and aging too. Like Ali, Fury dominated the first half of the fight but hit a wall in the second half of it. Usyk simply outhustled him in the second half of it to pull off the upset. To sum it all up. Muhammad Ali underestimated Spinks and paid dearly for it, Just as Tyson Fury underestimated Oleksandr Usyk and paid dearly it. Which were the key factors in both of them losing their respective bouts. Lastly, never discuss what you and your boyfriend like to do in the bedroom. That is only for you and your husband to know. LOL, circle jerk my ass!

For the simple fact that Fury is tired man. He just ain’t got fight in him no more and Usyk wants it a lot more than he does. He hurt Usyk several times in that bout and each and every time he backed off and let up by admiring his work. That’s a sign of fighter who is both mentally drained and fatigued. Those Wilder fights might have taken a lot more out of him than we all had originally thought. He has not been the same fighter since that Wilder/Fury trilogy. He appeared both lethargic, unfocused, bored, listless and disinterested against Oleksandr Usyk. He is going to have to bite down and dig deep at this stage of his career in order to defeat Usyk. I don’t think he can still do it. Yep... Those Wilder fights were life changing tough, for both guys. Goes to show how much a rivalry, when two legit dangerous opponents fight for keeps, can take a toll. Its good to see someone on this thread that seems to be mostly a crcle jrk for Usyk, saw when Usyk was hurt. I would have given the fight to Usyk as well, but it was close and Fury would have done himself a favor if he just took the count when he was hurt that round. It looked worse than it was, probably affected scoring as well. If he had just went down, he could have come back... he was actually having a good round at the start.

people still are living the fools dream pretending that wilder was some high level talent and that fury beating him meant something...when you get one thing wrong your ability to analyze things rationally is going to be affected. fury is a good fighter but hes not better than usyk. can he win? yes. will he? probably not. If this is true? You have been in r e t a r d mode now for years!!

yeah Usyk was 262, the lightest of his last 8 fights, with 2 training camps. what exactly is he supposed to do to train harder and be "better prepared" next time? too light and then he does away with his size advantage, he is never going to be as nimble and quick as usyk so he wants to have some size while still having stamina. I think 262 was perfect. maybe 255 but not lighter than that. hes 36 now and abused his body, how many more comeback stories does he have at this point. yeah he lost 100 pounds once, in his 20s. usyk abused his body less, i think usyk is the younger fighter in many ways the only real counter argument that i have for fury even winning are that the first fight was reasonably close on the cards, if fury could get a knockdown of his own without getting knocked down then its possible for him to win. i am expecting him to look worse not better but if he did come in better by some miracle then yeah it is a winnable fight for him Fury has plenty of power at a lighter weight. I do think there is merit to your comments because, if Fury drains himself to come in lighter, that would be very bad. But if Fury takes the weight off naturally and comes in at 260 (I doubt he could make 255), or even 255, he has plenty of heft to work with. His real advantage is his reach and the fact that he has the ring IQ to genuinely threaten Usyk... something demonstrated in this last fight. What makes me laugh is how people are so ready to dramatize Fury's bad moments, when he did not even take a count... yet when Fury was having his success, you could see on Usyk's face that he was feeling it. People just are victims of confirmation bias and not careful observers lol. This was a close fight, and Usyk admitted it! The scores reflected it as well. If Fury had won one more round the fight would have been a draw. Now sometimes scorecards do not reflect reality... But in this case I think they did.

He didn't know where the **** he was. He was out on his feet. Maybe. But nobody can know what Fury "was" I would rather look at the facts. Fact is, a fighter who is eventually in enough trouble goes down for the count. Fighters may be held up by the ropes and unable to go down, but Fury was moving until the very close of the round when he was cornered and the ref could act. Now think about it, if you were the ref, you see a fighter fighting back, moving, are you going to stop the fight? You could decide to give the fighter a count I s'pose, although I am not sure of the rules here. Ultimately the judges will probably score it a 10-8 round either way, but it is to Fury's advantage to try to sway this scoring by avoiding the count. My point is: I can't know what Fury was thinking... I can only look at logic and logic says if a fighter is moving, he is not out on his feet, and if he gets cornered, as a ref, I certainly do not have the right to stop the fight, unless it is obvious he is not fighting back, or unable to take a count. You could see Fury was trying to avoid the punches, meaning to me, he was fighting back. It is also possible Fury started the series of events aware, and then was hit with something that further compromised him, but again: does this mean the ref stops the fight? Keep in mind Fury had started the round well (I seem to remember, could be wrong) and it would make sense for him to think "Gee if I get credit for starting well, and avoid going down, it becomes a 10-9 round." Also if you look at his face, he is reacting to getting hit, meaning to me that he was not out on his feet, but I don't know this, anymore than anyone but Fury knows if he was out, or not.

people still are living the fools dream pretending that wilder was some high level talent and that fury beating him meant something...when you get one thing wrong your ability to analyze things rationally is going to be affected. fury is a good fighter but hes not better than usyk. can he win? yes. will he? probably not.

Many UK fans and pundits believe Fury can win the rematch. Several, eg Dominic Ingle and Simon Jordan from TalkSport, are confidently predicting that he will win. They seem, yet again, to have fallen for Fury's gaslighting and are saying that he only lost because he was overconfident and didn't take Usyk seriously enough. I disagree strongly with that. Going by Fury's intense, aggressive attitude towards Usyk in the build up, the fact that he left the UK and locked himself away in Saudi for 2 full training camps and came in at his lightest weight in 5 years - 15lbs lighter than he was for Ngannou - I believe he took Usyk very seriously indeed and got himself into the best shape possible at this stage of his career. I picked Usyk to win the first fight and I'm picking him to win the rematch. But I'm not writing Fury's chances off. Usyk will be 38 by the time they fight again and, having achieved everything he wanted to achieve in the sport, the incredible drive and determination he's shown throughout his career so far could be on the wane. yeah Usyk was 262, the lightest of his last 8 fights, with 2 training camps. what exactly is he supposed to do to train harder and be "better prepared" next time? too light and then he does away with his size advantage, he is never going to be as nimble and quick as usyk so he wants to have some size while still having stamina. I think 262 was perfect. maybe 255 but not lighter than that. hes 36 now and abused his body, how many more comeback stories does he have at this point. yeah he lost 100 pounds once, in his 20s. usyk abused his body less, i think usyk is the younger fighter in many ways the only real counter argument that i have for fury even winning are that the first fight was reasonably close on the cards, if fury could get a knockdown of his own without getting knocked down then its possible for him to win. i am expecting him to look worse not better but if he did come in better by some miracle then yeah it is a winnable fight for him

Revisionist propaganda at its best. I won't pick issue with any opinion in particular other than to say its utter balderdash to say Usyk dominated Fury. Usyk himself says Fury was a tough fight and does not have any love for Fury. People are given to perceptions over reason. Question: Why couldn't Fury, at any time, drop and take an eight count? If Usyk supposedly had him dead on the ropes? I mean when a fighter gets in serious trouble, has not hit the canvas yet, before they attempt to scramble they would take a count if they were in trouble. Fury did not take the count because he did not have to do so. What the ref did was immaterial to this point. Unless one thinks, if Fury took a count the ref would stop the fight, and why would the ref do that? The reason Fury stayed the course was because he wanted to minimize the points and make it a one point round. If Fury comes in complacent then yeah he loses the fight. If he prepares himself, it will be a great fight and I think Fury wins, Both men had their moments. When Fury was successful Usyk had a defeated look on his face, and when Usyk got to the big baby in a diaper with two a r s e s, he got to Fury. Perfect example of why this should be run back. I will concede two things: Fury may be full of it when he says he thought he was up and could coast... and indeed Chisora was Usyk's toughest fight, BUT this was because Usyk made some bad adjustments that almost cost him dearly. Anyone who thinks Joshua was tougher really does not have much respect for Usyk's candor. Usyk is in fact brutally honest and likes Joshua. He didn't know where the fuck he was. He was out on his feet.

Discipline beats indiscipline in boxing. Usually. Usyk repeats, this time via knockout.

Fury didn't choose to do anything. His head was scrambled. He had no idea what he was doing. That was a 2 point round regardless of whether he touched canvas. One of Fury's greatest strengths as a fighter is that, unless his lights are completely out, as they were were for few seconds in the first Wilder fight, he always has some idea of what he's doing and is able to think tactically. It looked to me like he was trying desperately to stay on his feet during that 9th round, to avoid losing it 10 - 8.

Many UK fans and pundits believe Fury can win the rematch. Several, eg Dominic Ingle and Simon Jordan from TalkSport, are confidently predicting that he will win. They seem, yet again, to have fallen for Fury's gaslighting and are saying that he only lost because he was overconfident and didn't take Usyk seriously enough. I disagree strongly with that. Going by Fury's intense, aggressive attitude towards Usyk in the build up, the fact that he left the UK and locked himself away in Saudi for 2 full training camps and came in at his lightest weight in 5 years - 15lbs lighter than he was for Ngannou - I believe he took Usyk very seriously indeed and got himself into the best shape possible at this stage of his career. I picked Usyk to win the first fight and I'm picking him to win the rematch. But I'm not writing Fury's chances off. Usyk will be 38 by the time they fight again and, having achieved everything he wanted to achieve in the sport, the incredible drive and determination he's shown throughout his career so far could be on the wane.

I don't believe that nobody is giving Fury a chance in the rematch. The odds will tell all. Unless Fury comes in obviously not prepared, the odds will be tight, Fury even being the favorite.

Immediately after the fight, i thought fury had a great chance. in the middle rounds he was landing routinely on Usyk in ways that i never seen anyone else do before. But then he got tired. I think he needs a stoppage because i dont think he can beat usyk using any method that also conserves energy. but fury had back to back training camps for that fight, remember he got injured and they moved the fight, he was training for like half a year. we already seen him getting trashed and carried out a bar since the end of the fight. he is only going to be older and likely heavier next fight. As usual very intelligent analysis. I agree that Fury got tired and that caused him problems. Fury tends to thrive on adversity and one must ask: If Fury realizes his conditioning is a problem, can he set a higher bar? Can he train to eek out a few more rounds? Conserving energy is a fool's gold... Again, you are right. Nobody can walk into a competative fight with the understanding they have to conserve and take from a strategy that enabled their success... But I do think Fury thrives on adversity and can find a way to remedy this problem IF he really comes to fight. I am not convinced he has it in him to prepare, we will see. I am looking for for one of two Gypsy Kings and then I believe I will know: If he is ready and wants to beat Usyk enough to prepare? he should come in light, perhaps the lightest of his career. If he is too heavy? He has convinced himself that he is "trying for the KO" when in fact he just did not want it enough, or couldn't do what he had to...And he will make a spectacle of himself convincing people he was never as talented as he actually was.