Sometimes the “Mittologist” is not the guy you need…

BOXING TRAINERS: A boxing trainer and a cornerman are not always the same thing. It’s not always about just teaching a guy to jab or telling him to get on his toes and box more. It’s not just about making him do push-ups and holding the pads in a very fancy manner for him on video. Sometimes it’s about taking chances as a trainer. Case in point: Angelo Dundee in the corner of Cassius Clay in 1964 against the most fearsome man on earth at the time, Sonny Liston.  Ali came back to the corner after one particular round with the liniment in his eyes and he was essentially blind. He’s blinking profusely and actually telling Angelo to stop the fight. He’s telling him he’s in no condition to fight the most fearsome man on earth at that moment. Angelo doesn’t listen to him, though. Pushes him out and tells him to run and box until things clear up. Cassius does that beautifully and goes on to score one of the top three biggest upsets in the history of the game. Many many many trainers would’ve stopped that fight and nobody would’ve blamed them. History would’ve been essentially averted, and nobody would’ve cared because they expected to lose anyway but Angelo Dundee was one of the greatest boxing people to ever walk to earth. I never saw him in the gym and I don’t know how well he taught the jab and, I don’t know if he knew how to execute body punches properly or any of that type thing but I do know that as a cornerman, comparatively, he was repeatedly proven to be on the level of Sugar Ray Robinson as a fighter. He stayed calm, he knew his fighter and he knew what to tell him in those moments. Many, many trainers would’ve panicked in that moment and they would not have the guts to do it. Angelo did. Angelo pulled the trigger when it needed to be pulled and he made the decision that preserved one of the greatest careers ever in this game. #YoureBlowingItSon #SixMinutes!​ - - Ice, Archie Moore was a great trainer, esp with Foreman, yet Ali only lasted a few weeks with Archie because he didn't like the discipline of boxing knowledge and working a broom to keep the gym clean. Angelo came along to realize the special Natural talents young Clay possessed, ie off shelf foot and hand speed with a bit of power and good chin, so he let Clay do as he pleased, only suggesting now and again a certain strategy that young Clay could process hisself instead of being ordered. Without Angelo calming Clay down for the first Liston weighin, he wouldn't have had a chance to take the 2nd physical after flunking the 1st in a rush of hysteria and fear that dangerously elevated his heart rate and blood pressure. By the time of Leonard, Angie had picked up a few things and was more hands on with Ray.

I tried to make it worse by stabbing him with a butcher knife, but he wouldn’t stand still Lmfao they thought they were going to get you with that comment and you did a pull counter on Muso. :rofl:

Nice example, but what about you letting Beterbiev's knee to tear? Are you more of a corner man or a coach? you cold as ice

Nice example, but what about you letting Beterbiev's knee to tear? Are you more of a corner man or a coach? I tried to make it worse by stabbing him with a butcher knife, but he wouldn’t stand still

Nice example, but what about you letting Beterbiev's knee to tear? Are you more of a corner man or a coach?