Seen as Matchroom have today launched this Japanese version of Prizefighter, what are your thoughts on tournaments in pro boxing?
I actually really like them. I loved Matchroom’s original Prizefighter format on Sky, some decent fighters emerged from it too, Martin Murray, Terry Flanagan, Rocky Fielding, Lee Haskins, Mike Perez etc.
I also was a massive fan of the WBSS, thought that was excellent and produced some top matchups and also didn’t drag on or become a bit of a mess like the Super Six did.
Even the Golden Contract tournament MTK put together prior to the Kinahan laundering getting exposed was really fun to watch too.
I liked the 5 vs 5 between Matchroom vs Queensbury.
That actually had some pretty competitive and interesting match ups, minus the Wilder Zhang.
If Saudi Arabia has disposable money to throw at it and host a huge tournament style structure, I’d be down for it. Get more promoters involved. More boxers.
Make it a new tradition like a playoffs structure or something. Invite all major promotional outfits. Maybe have like a popular vote. Kind of like an All Star structure vote from the boxing fans.
Actually get fans involved in it.
All the key promotional outfits from all of boxing throw their hats in. You get the best boxers from the best promotions. Throw it all onto a show.
Almost like a Golden Gloves styled tournament. All weight classes. Females too.
I’m talking huge.
Maybe host a biannual thing cuz it’ll be so much.
Then the boxers and promoters who win can claim they have the best boxers in their weight class. Keep track of which promotion has the most wins and whatnot.
Give out awards.
The point is boxing has to evolve at some point. It’s too stagnant with where it is.
My idea has been for the 4 major sanctioning bodies to split the world into 4 quarters and each take a quarter
For example
IBF - Africa/Oceania
WBC - South/Latin America
WBA - North America
WBO - Europe/Asia
Have each have a champion and then hold a tournament ever 2 or 3 years where the 4 champions face off in an official tournament to crown the "Lineal/Ring" champion
That way, the 4 bodies can continue to take their take off the top & we get to have a real champion as well.
Abraham was big favourite over Froch for their fight I remember that.
I expected Froch to get destroyed. He didn’t rate him at all back then, I picked him to lose to Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, and Bute with ease.
Wasn’t until he beat the living hell out of Bute that I became a fan. His tjept constantly proving me wrong.
Abraham really got exposed in the Super 6, his power didn’t carry up to 168 and he didn’t have the boxing ability to hang with the slicker guys like Ward and Dirrell.
I didn’t give him much chance in the Super 6 tbh, the Taylor fight had won me over but it also exposed a lot of his flaws. I did think he got lucky getting the decision against Dirrell though. Abraham was a really good performance, complete shutout.
I did back Froch to beat Bute, sure he was like 9/2 by KO. Bute was one of those fighters I just never rated and the fact he was leaving Canada made me quite confident Froch was gonna do a job on him. Was it the Andrade fight where the ref saved him? After that fight, I was always pretty cold on Bute. Really fancied Froch that night, I ended up going as well, was a real hostile atmosphere.
https://www.*************.com/thread...6-odds.155641/
Managed to find an old post on a different forum of the Super Six odds if anyone’s interested. Kessler was the slight favourite, Froch was a lot shorter than I remember but it’s seemingly a British bookmakers so probably would’ve been bigger elsewhere.
The link won’t work but it’s b-oxing f-orum 24 which is starred out.
Abraham was big favourite over Froch for their fight I remember that.
I expected Froch to get destroyed. He didn’t rate him at all back then, I picked him to lose to Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, and Bute with ease.
Wasn’t until he beat the living hell out of Bute that I became a fan. His tjept constantly proving me wrong.
I’m sure they were joint favourites with the bookies yanno. Both around 5/2 if my memory serves me correctly.
Going off memory in fairness but I remember thinking Kessler was the heavy favourite but I could be wrong.
I know it was the two of them expected to clean up with ease and fight each other in the final.
https://www.boxingforum24.com/thread...6-odds.155641/
Managed to find an old post on a different forum of the Super Six odds if anyone’s interested. Kessler was the slight favourite, Froch was a lot shorter than I remember but it’s seemingly a British bookmakers so probably would’ve been bigger elsewhere.
The link won’t work but it’s b-oxing f-orum 24 which is starred out.
Kessler was the heavy favourite, expected to walk it. Until Ward dominated him.
Abraham was the distant 2nd, he had loads of hype. Especially after he knocked out Taylor.
I’m sure they were joint favourites with the bookies yanno. Both around 5/2 if my memory serves me correctly.
Insane! So basically Abraham... Not a bad fighter for sure, but a favorite? And Froch and Ward were underdogs lol. I guess the bookies do a lot better handicapping individual fights.:lol1:
Kessler was the heavy favourite, expected to walk it. Until Ward dominated him.
Abraham was the distant 2nd, he had loads of hype. Especially after he knocked out Taylor.
Do you reckon Kessler ever gets in? I always put him and Froch at the same level.
I doubt it, but you never know.
I think Froch had a much better career than Kessler myself.
We wouldn't need tournaments if the best would consistently fight the best and sanctioning bodies properly ranked fighters.
Now Ghost... That is kinda like sayin' We wouldn't need locks if everyone was honest!
Froch and Ward were actually the biggest underdogs, who turned out being the final and by far the beat careers of the tornuament. Only two in the HOF from there.
Insane! So basically Abraham... Not a bad fighter for sure, but a favorite? And Froch and Ward were underdogs lol. I guess the bookies do a lot better handicapping individual fights.:lol1:
ESPN had the Boxcino tournaments back in the day. Most of the contestants were a few rungs from contender but it was a nice mix of stalled prospects, veteran gatekeepers and some foreign unknowns.
I think the last one was in 2015, Fedesov won the HW tourney and John Thompson IV beat Brandon Adams from the Contender (via upset KO) in the junior middleweight tourney.
I miss those tournaments.
Yeah they were good too. Thompson ended up fighting Liam Smith for the vacant WBO title afterwards.
Adams also lost in the first tournament final to Willie Monroe Jr too, think he got the GGG fight on the back of it as well.
Abraham and Kessler were joint favourites crazily. Not so surprising for Kessler but just shows how much hype Abraham had coming up from 160.
I backed Ward at 10/1, he was the largest price of any of the six.
Abraham? Wow!! Kessler is understandable lol.
ESPN had the Boxcino tournaments back in the day. Most of the contestants were a few rungs from contender but it was a nice mix of stalled prospects, veteran gatekeepers and some foreign unknowns.
I think the last one was in 2015, Fedesov won the HW tourney and John Thompson IV beat Brandon Adams from the Contender (via upset KO) in the junior middleweight tourney.
I miss those tournaments.
Froch and Ward were actually the biggest underdogs, who turned out being the final and by far the beat careers of the tornuament. Only two in the HOF from there.
Do you reckon Kessler ever gets in? I always put him and Froch at the same level.
I honestly cannot think of a negative regarding tourneys... the super 6 was fantastic. People tend to forget... Not only did Ward win the thing, he was an underdog! I think maybe Froch was the front runner? anyone remember?
Wouldn't it be grand if the Saudis, having the money and all, did something like the super 6 for the heavyweights? perhaps taking the super six from just below Usyk, Tyson, and whoever was considered the third best? I guess depending on the Dubois/Joshua fight...
Froch and Ward were actually the biggest underdogs, who turned out being the final and by far the beat careers of the tornuament. Only two in the HOF from there.
I honestly cannot think of a negative regarding tourneys... the super 6 was fantastic. People tend to forget... Not only did Ward win the thing, he was an underdog! I think maybe Froch was the front runner? anyone remember?
Wouldn't it be grand if the Saudis, having the money and all, did something like the super 6 for the heavyweights? perhaps taking the super six from just below Usyk, Tyson, and whoever was considered the third best? I guess depending on the Dubois/Joshua fight...
Abraham and Kessler were joint favourites crazily. Not so surprising for Kessler but just shows how much hype Abraham had coming up from 160.
I backed Ward at 10/1, he was the largest price of any of the six.