Did Roy Jones Jr. Stop Being Your Favorite After The Knockouts?

When Roy Jones Junior was winning 'He was your favourite fighter, but when he stopped winning? He then stopped being your favourite fighter'. 'You are ether a supporter of a fighter or not, throughout all their battles'. If you are a boxing coach, there is a possibility that 'Some of your fighters may lose. Don't eject those fighters from the boxing gym'. Fundamentals are aspects of any sport, that most people can understand and practice 'It is important that Athlete's learn and master the fundamentals of their sport. But it is the truly talented fighter, which then go beyond that. Roy Jones Junior went beyond boxing fundamentals, his lack of fundamentals was not what go him beaten'. 'Roy Jones Junior had boxing fundamentals, he just operated beyond them'. There have been great fighters, who have supreme boxing fundamentals 'And those fighters still may be beaten severely in the latter stages of their careers'. If you have a boxing background? Then you will be well aware, that a Athlete like Roy Jones Junior 'Does not walked into a boxing gym, every single day of the week. Roy Jones Junior's talent and ability, is extremely rare. Roy Jones Junior was like a comet, you will only see that type of ability a few times throughout generations'. So you are most likely making the right decision, not to model yourself 'And training methods on Roy Jones Junior. I would say that is commonsense'. But when a athlete displays that they have a great understanding of boxing fundamentals, and they have master them. Then it is sometimes natural for those fighters to then create their own theories, moves and start to operate beyond that level. That is what Roy Jones Junior did during his career'. Note: On a pure performance level, it is the fighters who understand the boxing fundamentals 'Then go beyond that'. Those are the fighters who throughout history continually have produce the best performances in the sport. To conclude: It is a cliche observation and statement, to say that Roy Jones Junior has no boxing fundamentals 'It is a narrative that has been perpetuated by certain folk within the boxing community and media. Roy Jones Junior in my opinion, mastered the boxing fundamentals early on in his career. Then he decided to operate beyond that level, this is sometimes common with that calibre of fighter'. I believe that this was a personal choice of Roy Jones Junior. Boxing trainers primary objective in my opinion, should be to hammer the basic boxing fundamental skills into their fighters. Fighters will then master these fundamental boxing skills, to all different levels. It is then at this point where certain fighters, take it upon themselves to become pioneers in their own boxing style's 'Roy Jones Junior was that type and calibre of fighter'. Prince Naseem Hamed was a similar fighter, there where fights in his career were? He fought with a more fundamental boxing style. But then as his career progressed, he became a pioneer with the style of Prince Naseem Hamed' etc. People evolve and I evolved past a fighting style that will get you knocked out!!!…I wouldn’t dare encourage that style if a fighter isn’t naturally gifted and even still they would have to focus more on fundamentals to have that as a second hand nature motor skill to fall back on…somethin’ Roy wasn’t able to do because he didn’t practice the fundamentals even though he knew better…when his physical attributes left him he became a sittin’ duck…However, he’s still an all time great and among my favorite fighters!!!…

Naa he got and kept my respect after signing on for Tarver 1

I still support Roy…he’s just not my favorite anymore…and not a glory hunter…I have boxing background and look at it from a fighter standpoint and coaching standpoint…would you model yourself after Roy or teach your fighter to???…he does have a great boxing mind but he didn’t employ fundamentals and got away with too many bad habits…I couldn’t keep modeling myself after someone who doesn’t employ fundamentals and keeps getting knocked out!!!…I still live him though!!!… When Roy Jones Junior was winning 'He was your favourite fighter, but when he stopped winning? He then stopped being your favourite fighter'. 'You are ether a supporter of a fighter or not, throughout all their battles'. If you are a boxing coach, there is a possibility that 'Some of your fighters may lose. Don't eject those fighters from the boxing gym'. Fundamentals are aspects of any sport, that most people can understand and practice 'It is important that Athlete's learn and master the fundamentals of their sport. But it is the truly talented fighter, which then go beyond that. Roy Jones Junior went beyond boxing fundamentals, his lack of fundamentals was not what go him beaten'. 'Roy Jones Junior had boxing fundamentals, he just operated beyond them'. There have been great fighters, who have supreme boxing fundamentals 'And those fighters still may be beaten severely in the latter stages of their careers'. If you have a boxing background? Then you will be well aware, that a Athlete like Roy Jones Junior 'Does not walked into a boxing gym, every single day of the week. Roy Jones Junior's talent and ability, is extremely rare. Roy Jones Junior was like a comet, you will only see that type of ability a few times throughout generations'. So you are most likely making the right decision, not to model yourself 'And training methods on Roy Jones Junior. I would say that is commonsense'. But when a athlete displays that they have a great understanding of boxing fundamentals, and they have master them. Then it is sometimes natural for those fighters to then create their own theories, moves and start to operate beyond that level. That is what Roy Jones Junior did during his career'. Note: On a pure performance level, it is the fighters who understand the boxing fundamentals 'Then go beyond that'. Those are the fighters who throughout history continually have produce the best performances in the sport. To conclude: It is a cliche observation and statement, to say that Roy Jones Junior has no boxing fundamentals 'It is a narrative that has been perpetuated by certain folk within the boxing community and media. Roy Jones Junior in my opinion, mastered the boxing fundamentals early on in his career. Then he decided to operate beyond that level, this is sometimes common with that calibre of fighter'. I believe that this was a personal choice of Roy Jones Junior. Boxing trainers primary objective in my opinion, should be to hammer the basic boxing fundamental skills into their fighters. Fighters will then master these fundamental boxing skills, to all different levels. It is then at this point where certain fighters, take it upon themselves to become pioneers in their own boxing style's 'Roy Jones Junior was that type and calibre of fighter'. Prince Naseem Hamed was a similar fighter, there where fights in his career were? He fought with a more fundamental boxing style. But then as his career progressed, he became a pioneer with the style of Prince Naseem Hamed' etc.

My jaw is on the floor right now…I had no idea they fought so I looked it up on utoob and that was a true travesty!!!…I feel really heartbroken…I’m still in shock right now…Duran could barely throw or stand up straight and anytime William Joppy is lookin’ good it’s against opponents too small or past their prime…a lil’ backstory…I saw Joppy at the skatin’ rink one time…and I blurted out Bernard Hopkins knocked his ass out and he heard and turned around…he was with a real fine woman that day so props to him on that but that fight he had with Duran was criminal! Yeah that’s a horrible fight to watch. I think Duran was like 47/48, as you say could barely stand up, should have never been sanctioned.

You are ether a supporter of a fighter, or not 'It seems like you are realizing, that you was a glory hunter. Which I personally would not refer to any individual like that as a real supporter of a fighter'. Being a Glory Hunter is a social trait, which most likely is more innate with certain people 'In sports such as boxing, this trait becomes extremely apparent with certain folk. They will rationalize their behaviour, and from my conversations? Will never self reflect on just For me personally being a supporter of a fighter, is not conditional upon 'They have to win, but of course you? Want to see the fighter you support win fights. But it is more important to experience and support them throughout their venture, and battles in the sport'. I can be drawn and become fond of fighters, through their character, conduct and passion 'Then I will generally support that fighter'. The last real fighter, I had a very strong rapport with was David Haye 'Since his retirement, I have not built a rapport as intensely with any other fighter'. And then David Price was the also one of the last fighters, who I also admired greatly 'It was only when Price suffered his first devastating losses, and during those years after were? He was clearly battling many uncertainty's, that was when he fought some of his best fights in terms of? The courage he had to display inside and outside of the ring, because it was Glory Hunters who mocked Price for many years'. But the reality is? To be a supporter of a fighter 'That is in some ways also a fight. Because you experience the win's with the fighters, and the loses. And you always turn up, there may be times when you have to defend that fighter in public'. Note: Of course it is not a pleasant experience, when your fighters starts losing 'I am still extremely annoyed that David Haye was beaten by Tony Bellew twice. But wow, the first fight between Bellew vs Haye, was a awesome competitive fight. Tony Bellew won the boxing match, but David Haye won the fight 'Haye won the fight, because of the courage and bravery he displayed inside of the ring. David Haye was injured from the 6th round and onwards, some how he stayed in the fight. Haye was not in the fight to survive, he was still trying to win. No man or so called boxing expert who observed the fight? Can question David Haye's courage and Warrior conduct'. That was why? I always believed as a supporter 'David Haye could of retired after that fight. Because how certain folk mocked him after his performance vs Wladimir Kiltschko, which skill for skill was not a bad performance 'But did Haye leave it all in the ring'. David Haye left it all in the ring vs Toney Bellew I, Haye was not just fighting to survive or win. He was fighting fighting to sanctify himself as warrior'. To conclude: A War is a collection of battles. A boxers career is essentially war, these fighters are fighting a type of war 'Battles are lost and won during times of war'. People need to ask themselves the question? When a fighter you support loses, are you staying on the battle field 'Or are you leaving the battle field?'. I could experience the roller coaster of a fighters career, as a supporter 'Because I did not leave the battle field, I stayed there with them'. Glory Hunters 'They leave the battle field'. In regards to Roy Jones Junior 'There are positives of the latter part of his career. In my opinion it was during those years Roy Jones Junior proved that he was a Gladiator, because that was when his courage, resolve, determination was tested more than any other time in his career'. Batman vs Superman 'There is a scene in the movie, were Batman tells Superman that he is not brave. You're not brave, men are brave'. Superman has all these super-powers, and his near invulnerable to physicals attacks against normal everyday opponents 'What level of courage is he really showing on a day to day basis? More than Batman'. Roy Jones Junior at his peak, was like Superman 'But then his powers decreased. Roy Jones Junior did not just disappear, he still stayed fighting and showed that he was Gladiator'. I appreciated that aspect of his fighting career, the effort, courage and resolved he displayed etc. I still support Roy…he’s just not my favorite anymore…and not a glory hunter…I have boxing background and look at it from a fighter standpoint and coaching standpoint…would you model yourself after Roy or teach your fighter to???…he does have a great boxing mind but he didn’t employ fundamentals and got away with too many bad habits…I couldn’t keep modeling myself after someone who doesn’t employ fundamentals and keeps getting knocked out!!!…I still live him though!!!…

You are ether a supporter of a fighter, or not 'It seems like you are realizing, that you was a glory hunter. Which I personally would not refer to any individual like that as a real supporter of a fighter'. Being a Glory Hunter is a social trait, which most likely is more innate with certain people 'In sports such as boxing, this trait becomes extremely apparent with certain folk. They will rationalize their behaviour, and from my conversations? Will never self reflect on just For me personally being a supporter of a fighter, is not conditional upon 'They have to win, but of course you? Want to see the fighter you support win fights. But it is more important to experience and support them throughout their venture, and battles in the sport'. I can be drawn and become fond of fighters, through their character, conduct and passion 'Then I will generally support that fighter'. The last real fighter, I had a very strong rapport with was David Haye 'Since his retirement, I have not built a rapport as intensely with any other fighter'. And then David Price was the also one of the last fighters, who I also admired greatly 'It was only when Price suffered his first devastating losses, and during those years after were? He was clearly battling many uncertainty's, that was when he fought some of his best fights in terms of? The courage he had to display inside and outside of the ring, because it was Glory Hunters who mocked Price for many years'. But the reality is? To be a supporter of a fighter 'That is in some ways also a fight. Because you experience the win's with the fighters, and the loses. And you always turn up, there may be times when you have to defend that fighter in public'. Note: Of course it is not a pleasant experience, when your fighters starts losing 'I am still extremely annoyed that David Haye was beaten by Tony Bellew twice. But wow, the first fight between Bellew vs Haye, was a awesome competitive fight. Tony Bellew won the boxing match, but David Haye won the fight 'Haye won the fight, because of the courage and bravery he displayed inside of the ring. David Haye was injured from the 6th round and onwards, some how he stayed in the fight. Haye was not in the fight to survive, he was still trying to win. No man or so called boxing expert who observed the fight? Can question David Haye's courage and Warrior conduct'. That was why? I always believed as a supporter 'David Haye could of retired after that fight. Because how certain folk mocked him after his performance vs Wladimir Kiltschko, which skill for skill was not a bad performance 'But did Haye leave it all in the ring'. David Haye left it all in the ring vs Toney Bellew I, Haye was not just fighting to survive or win. He was fighting fighting to sanctify himself as warrior'. To conclude: A War is a collection of battles. A boxers career is essentially war, these fighters are fighting a type of war 'Battles are lost and won during times of war'. People need to ask themselves the question? When a fighter you support loses, are you staying on the battle field 'Or are you leaving the battle field?'. I could experience the roller coaster of a fighters career, as a supporter 'Because I did not leave the battle field, I stayed there with them'. Glory Hunters 'They leave the battle field'. In regards to Roy Jones Junior 'There are positives of the latter part of his career. In my opinion it was during those years Roy Jones Junior proved that he was a Gladiator, because that was when his courage, resolve, determination was tested more than any other time in his career'. Batman vs Superman 'There is a scene in the movie, were Batman tells Superman that he is not brave. You're not brave, men are brave'. Superman has all these super-powers, and his near invulnerable to physicals attacks against normal everyday opponents 'What level of courage is he really showing on a day to day basis? More than Batman'. Roy Jones Junior at his peak, was like Superman 'But then his powers decreased. Roy Jones Junior did not just disappear, he still stayed fighting and showed that he was Gladiator'. I appreciated that aspect of his fighting career, the effort, courage and resolved he displayed etc.

I have always been a fan of Roy. He tarnished his resume with the ending KO’s. Wish he had of stopped while ahead! Great commentary though. Hope his faculties stay strong! :boxing:

Duran-Joppy was horrible to watch too. The WBA should have never have even sanctioned it. My jaw is on the floor right now…I had no idea they fought so I looked it up on utoob and that was a true travesty!!!…I feel really heartbroken…I’m still in shock right now…Duran could barely throw or stand up straight and anytime William Joppy is lookin’ good it’s against opponents too small or past their prime…a lil’ backstory…I saw Joppy at the skatin’ rink one time…and I blurted out Bernard Hopkins knocked his ass out and he heard and turned around…he was with a real fine woman that day so props to him on that but that fight he had with Duran was criminal!

You’re a real one bro…seein’ Hearns drop Duran like that was painful to watch and I felt for him too…these boxers sure do deserve our respect! Duran-Joppy was horrible to watch too. The WBA should have never have even sanctioned it.

I am sure he waited them out past their prime…He’s smart for that and too damn competitive that he has to wait them out to win…I know all boxers do it…but I can’t stand that ish…lol… That, he did. And I'm with you on hatin dat chit.

He fought them both in USA. I was waitin’ to be corrected about that…wasn’t sure…but am sure he waited them out past their prime…He’s smart for that and too damn competitive that he has to wait them out to win…I know all boxers do it…but I can’t stand that ish…lol…

Nah always been my favourite fighter. Was sad to watch the last 10-15 years of his career. Was a real shame Roy just couldn’t let it go. Watching Duran in the late 90’s/ early 2000’s was horrible too. It’s never nice to see a fighter fight way beyond their prime. You’re a real one bro…seein’ Hearns drop Duran like that was painful to watch and I felt for him too…these boxers sure do deserve our respect!

He was one of my favorite fighters of the 90’s and early 2000’s until the PED ripped fuel cast a doubt over his career. all fighters use PEDs dumb ass he just got caught

Roy & BHop in tbeir prime would have beaten Joe, no doubt about it! Calzaghe waited them out and made them come over across the pond! He fought them both in USA.

Nah, he was still my guy, but it hurt to watch guys just doggin' Roy, knowing they wouldn't have stood a chance with him in his prime.

I hated he took the Calzhage fight and let that Welsh slapper clown him. Prime RJJ would have wiped the fooor with Calslappy but he took it for the money and got beat. RJJ up till the Ruiz fight was something special I’ve never seen speed and power like it since. Once he came back down from HW he never looked the same. Roy & BHop in tbeir prime would have beaten Joe, no doubt about it! Calzaghe waited them out and made them come over across the pond! He’s smart for that but that will always be his asterick! It did cross my mind how he beat the hell out of Lacey! I was tellin’ everybody about Lacy and then he gets slapped around literally the whole fight! Man you gotta admit Joe Calzaghe was somethin’ special! Homie got swag and killer boxing skills!

Y'all musta forgot!!

Around the time I got into boxing, I was hearing all the hype around Jones Jr. and he was making his comeback against Glenn Johnson. I remember nobody taking Glenn Johnson too seriously in the commentary. That he was basically a solid journey man. He had a bunch of questionable losses, but should have been an opponent Roy should have run right through with no problems. The second the bell rang for rd1, Johnson jumped on Roy and never left off. He kept Roy on the ropes for like the entire 3 minutes. HBO was shocked, but also thought Glenn was acting amateurish for this approach to fight Roy that way. They also thought he wouldn't' maintain it. Fast forward I think 7 rds later, and Roy Jones was KTFO and HBO commentary was in shock. At that moment, I loved hearing about Glenn Johnson and the underdog story since he was supposed to basically be prey for the lion in the ring and flipped the script. I didn't care much for Jones after that fight and just thought he was a cocky a-hole. I've since dived into earlier film of him from the 90s and he did appear to have some crazy hand speed. The way he had his hands behind his back and whipped around a hook to drop a dude was nuts. Definitely had some otherworldly hand speed.

That is Glen's full first name. No, it's Covfefe. Roy def left a big brown smudge at the end of his career. When he won he looked like he didn't care. When he started losing, he looked tha same, but everyone saw what was happening.

Nah always been my favourite fighter. Was sad to watch the last 10-15 years of his career. Was a real shame Roy just couldn’t let it go. Watching Duran in the late 90’s/ early 2000’s was horrible too. It’s never nice to see a fighter fight way beyond their prime.