Canelo’s Resume vs Pacquiao’s Resume

This site get's weirder by the day. In this thread alone we have people actually trying to argue that Pacquaio's resume at 40 years old and above is better than Hopkins resume at 40 years old and above. Then when I say Pacquaio was never the Top WW from 2012 onward, which is a literal objective fact, you've got someone arguing he was until their blue in the face and attempts to support it by sending a picture where it literally shows that he wasn't the highest ranked WW at any point from 2012 onward :lol1: Very bizarre. So true, fan is short for fanatic, in that it is impossible for a fanatic to be objective, on the contrary, they are super biased to the point of changing facts to protect their point of view, when cornered they act like a cat in a rabbit trap going off in random directions to muddy the pond to where the conversation just ends in a rubbish tip, the big takeaway with fans is its not about fact or truth its about them protecting their beliefs no matter how misguided they are.

He is hanging onto the word dominate because its like a soothing hot chocolate under his Manny security blanket. This site get's weirder by the day. In this thread alone we have people actually trying to argue that Pacquaio's resume at 40 years old and above is better than Hopkins resume at 40 years old and above. Then when I say Pacquaio was never the Top WW from 2012 onward, which is a literal objective fact, you've got someone arguing he was until their blue in the face and attempts to support it by sending a picture where it literally shows that he wasn't the highest ranked WW at any point from 2012 onward :lol1: Very bizarre.

I don't think you understand what the word "dominate" means. Firstly 2012-2015 is irrelevant as previously explained as that was still his era. I just pointed out he was never the Top WW (the highest ranked WW) during that time , 2012-2015, unlike 2009-2012 where he was the Top WW. (The highest ranked WW) The new era after that, 2016-2023, as you've pointed out with your lists there, Pacquaio was never close to dominating that time frame, he had a short 2 year spell at #3. So all your doing there is proving my point - That he didn't dominate the new WW era after his. He is hanging onto the word dominate because its like a soothing hot chocolate under his Manny security blanket.

how can TC be included in the "new era" WW when he didn't even make it to the WW list until 2018???? while Brook and Porter made it to the list since 2015 but they were both behind Pac! then came Thurman then Spence and TC!!! .....Because the era spanned from 2016-2023.... So Crawford was part of that era, and probably the best WW of that era too. I really think you need a better grasp of the English language before divulging into these kind of conversations. You are terribly confused on what an "era" is and what it means to dominate one, or be the Top WW for a time period during it.

starting from 2012-2020 -- Ring mag ranking -- 2012 - Pac #2, Brook #5, Porter/Thurman/Spence/TC didn't make it on the list 2013 - Pac #3, Brook #4, Porter #6, Thurman #7, Spence/TC didn't make it on the list 2014 - Pac #1, Brook #2, Porter #6, Thurman #7, Spence/TC didn't make it on the list 2015 - Pac #2, Brook #1, Thurman #5, Porter #6, Spence #9, TC didn't make it on the list 2016 - Brook #1, Thurman #2, Porter #3, Pac #4, Spence #8, TC didn't make it on the list 2017 - Thurman #1, Spence #2, Porter #3, Brook #5, Pac #9 (because he took an L against Horn), TC didn't make it on the list 2018 - Spence #1, TC #2, Thurman #3, Porter #4, Pac #5, Brook didn't make it on the list 2019 - Spence #1, TC #2, Pac #3, Thurman #4, Porter #5, Brook didn't make it on the list 2020 - Spence #1, TC #2, Pac #3, Thurman #4, Porter #5, Brook didn't make it on the list so from a time span between 2012 -2020 (8 years), Pac dominated the WW division 4x ahead of all the "new era" WW you mention!!!! in 2018, when TC (new era WW) finally made it on the list, Pac was at #5 in 2019, Pac was at #3 in 2020, Pac was at #3 I don't think you understand what the word "dominate" means. Firstly 2012-2015 is irrelevant as previously explained as that was still his era. I just pointed out he was never the Top WW (the highest ranked WW) during that time , 2012-2015, unlike 2009-2012 where he was the Top WW. (The highest ranked WW) The new era after that, 2016-2023, as you've pointed out with your lists there, Pacquaio was never close to dominating that time frame, he had a short 2 year spell at #3. So all your doing there is proving my point - That he didn't dominate the new WW era after his.

....That is the new era of WW's after Pacquaio/Floyd - 2016-2023 The one that's being claimed that he dominated which he objectively didn't. how can TC be included in the "new era" WW when he didn't even make it to the WW list until 2018???? while Brook and Porter made it to the list since 2015 but they were both behind Pac! then came Thurman then Spence and TC!!!

....That is the new era of WW's after Pacquaio/Floyd - 2016-2023 The one that's being claimed that he dominated which he objectively didn't. starting from 2012-2020 -- Ring mag ranking -- 2012 - Pac #2, Brook #5, Porter/Thurman/Spence/TC didn't make it on the list 2013 - Pac #3, Brook #4, Porter #6, Thurman #7, Spence/TC didn't make it on the list 2014 - Pac #1, Brook #2, Porter #6, Thurman #7, Spence/TC didn't make it on the list 2015 - Pac #2, Brook #1, Thurman #5, Porter #6, Spence #9, TC didn't make it on the list 2016 - Brook #1, Thurman #2, Porter #3, Pac #4, Spence #8, TC didn't make it on the list 2017 - Thurman #1, Spence #2, Porter #3, Brook #5, Pac #9 (because he took an L against Horn), TC didn't make it on the list 2018 - Spence #1, TC #2, Thurman #3, Porter #4, Pac #5, Brook didn't make it on the list 2019 - Spence #1, TC #2, Pac #3, Thurman #4, Porter #5, Brook didn't make it on the list 2020 - Spence #1, TC #2, Pac #3, Thurman #4, Porter #5, Brook didn't make it on the list so from a time span between 2012 -2020 (8 years), Pac dominated the WW division 4x ahead of all the "new era" WW you mention!!!! in 2018, when TC (new era WW) finally made it on the list, Pac was at #5 in 2019, Pac was at #3 in 2020, Pac was at #3

you said the new era of WW is brook porter, thurman, spence, crawford.... TC didnt even make it on the list until 2018.... in 2015, brook was at #1 and pac was at #2, spence was at #9 and thurman was at #5... ....That is the new era of WW's after Pacquaio/Floyd - 2016-2023 The one that's being claimed that he dominated which he objectively didn't.

by that time, he was already on his way out!!!! but from 2012-2020, he was still in the mix in the ranking so you got proven wrong!!! TC didnt even make the WW ranking until 2018!! that's 6 years after the KO that pac suffer from marquez!! LMAO!!! Yeah, exactly. That's the reason he didn't domiante it, if he was in his prime he would have likely but obviously he wasn't. Hence, why he didn't. I didn't say he wasn't in the mix, he was. I said he didn't dominate the new WW era, which....he didn't. He still did very well, just far from dominated. Marquez happened in 2012, that was still bang in the middle of Pacquao/Floyd era. So I don't know what your point is there. You are regressing again and getting confused.

floyd was the champion as the link show, and pac #1.. i mean the list is right here!! {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"Screenshot 2024-07-05 101822.jpg","data-attachmentid":32311675} Right exactly. So Floyd was the Top WW. Pacquaio was ranked below him as the '#1 contender, thus not the Top WW in the world. So that's established (I hope), you got there in the end.

Well yeah, the era doesn't just magically appear out of thin era. It builds and establishes over time. The next era of WW's after 2007-2015 (The Mayweather/Pacquaio era) was Crawofrd, Spence, Porter, Brook, Thurman, etc (2016-2023) and now, a new one is slowly forming. That's how eras work, they usually last between 5-10 years, somewhere inbetween. I find it baffling this needs explaining to you. Pacquaio (along with Floyd) DOMINATED his WW era, and boxing era in general. He did not dominate the next WW era after his and Floyd's, and he was barely in the picture (at the top), but he was a contender, which is a great thing itself at that age. He simply didn't dominate the new era after his, it's just literally as simple as that. by that time, he was already on his way out!!!! but from 2012-2020, he was still in the mix in the ranking so you got proven wrong!!! TC didnt even make the WW ranking until 2018!! that's 6 years after the KO that pac suffer from marquez!! LMAO!!!

Well yeah, the era doesn't just magically appear out of thin era. It builds and establishes over time. The next era of WW's after 2007-2015 (The Mayweather/Pacquaio era) was Crawofrd, Spence, Porter, Brook, Thurman, etc (2016-2023) and now, a new one is slowly forming. That's how eras work, they usually last between 5-10 years, somewhere inbetween. I find it baffling this needs explaining to you. Pacquaio (along with Floyd) DOMINATED his WW era, and boxing era in general. He did not dominate the next WW era after his and Floyd's, and he was barely in the picture (at the top), but he was a contender, which is a great thing itself at that age. He simply didn't dominate the new era after his, it's just literally as simple as that. you said the new era of WW is brook porter, thurman, spence, crawford.... TC didnt even make it on the list until 2018.... in 2015, brook was at #1 and pac was at #2, spence was at #9 and thurman was at #5...

in 2015, brook was at #1, spence was at #9!! pac was #2, porter was #6!!! thurman was at #5, TC didnt even make the list!! so from your "new era" of WW, only brook was at #1 and pac was right behind at #2!!! spence, porter, thurman was ALL behind manny!!! so how is that not dominating?????? Well 2015 was still Pacquao's era, it pretty much hit it's climax when the two greats of that time fought (him and Floyd). Pacquaio was the #2 P4P fighter in the world in 2015. I'm not referring to that time. I'm referring to what I've said, the next WW era after his; 2016-2023 give or take) I also don't think you quite understand what the word "dominate" means. But I put that down to English not being your first language.

TC wasnt even ranked at WW until 2018!!!!!! you said the new era of WW are brook, spence, TC, thurman, porter... only brook and porter were ranked!!!! spence wasnt even ranked at WW until 2015 and he was at #9!!! pac was at #2!! LMAO!!!!!! in 2015, spence finally made it to the WW ranking at #9. Pac was at #2!!! in 2016, spence was at #8, pac was at #4 in 2017, spence finally made it to the top 3 at #2, and pac at #9 (because of the lost to horn) in 2018, crawford finally made it to the WW ranking so explain your "new era WW"???? LMAO!!!!! Well yeah, the era doesn't just magically appear out of thin era. It builds and establishes over time. The next era of WW's after 2007-2015 (The Mayweather/Pacquaio era) was Crawofrd, Spence, Porter, Brook, Thurman, etc (2016-2023) and now, a new one is slowly forming. That's how eras work, they usually last between 5-10 years, somewhere inbetween. I find it baffling this needs explaining to you. Pacquaio (along with Floyd) DOMINATED his WW era, and boxing era in general. He did not dominate the next WW era after his and Floyd's, and he was barely in the picture (at the top), but he was a contender, which is a great thing itself at that age. He simply didn't dominate the new era after his, it's just literally as simple as that.

Right yeah like I said, Thurman is the one guy from the new era Pacquaio fought. Yeah, I know, Crawford moved up and beat Horn to join the new era. You seem incredibly confused. in 2015, brook was at #1, spence was at #9!! pac was #2, porter was #6!!! thurman was at #5, TC didnt even make the list!! so from your "new era" of WW, only brook was at #1 and pac was right behind at #2!!! spence, porter, thurman was ALL behind manny!!! so how is that not dominating the new era??????

Right yeah like I said, Thurman is the one guy from the new era Pacquaio fought. Yeah, I know, Crawford moved up and beat Horn to join the new era. You seem incredibly confused. but you said the new era of WW is brook, spence, crawford, thurman, porter.... BUT TC didnt even make it to the WW until 2018!!!! in 2015 spence was at #9!!! while pac was at #2!!!! how is that not dominating??????

I said the was never the #1 ranked WW yes, which he wasn't. He was the #1 ranked contender in 2014 but he wasn't the #1 WW in the world, that was Mayweather. As your link showed. floyd was the champion as the link show, and pac #1.. i mean the list is right here!! {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"Screenshot 2024-07-05 101822.jpg","data-attachmentid":32311675}

I'm not sure you understand how eras work. Up to 2015, it was still the Mayweather/Pacquaio era. The new crop of WW's began rising the to top from 2016 onward (the new era). The claim was Pacquaio dominated that new era. When, he objectively did not. I don't know what part you don't get. TC wasnt even ranked at WW until 2018!!!!!! you said the new era of WW are brook, spence, TC, thurman, porter... only brook and porter were ranked!!!! spence wasnt even ranked at WW until 2015 and he was at #9!!! pac was at #2!! LMAO!!!!!! in 2015, spence finally made it to the WW ranking at #9. Pac was at #2!!! in 2016, spence was at #8, pac was at #4 in 2017, spence finally made it to the top 3 at #2, and pac at #9 (because of the lost to horn) in 2018, crawford finally made it to the WW ranking so explain your "new era WW"???? LMAO!!!!!

2014, he was ranked at #1... from 2012-2020 he was on the ranking for WW, so no, he wasn;t "barely in the picture".... guys like TC, spence wasnt even ranked until later on. these were the new era WW you were speaking of LOL!!! #1 contender yes, never disputed that. I said he was never THE #1 WW after 2012, which we've established from your link that he wasn't. He was never the Top WW in the world ever again after that loss. I said he was barely in the picture AFTER Mayweather and Horn, just to further clarify as you seem confused, he was never at the top of the divison, during that new crop of WW's. He was a contender, I never disputed that. I disputed that he dominated the new WW era, which he didn't.

you said he was never at #1 again... barely in the picture.. now you trying to twist your words around LMAO!! 2014 - pac #1, the KO from marquez was in 2012. so after the KO, he wad ranked #1, proven you wrong! LOL I said the was never the #1 ranked WW yes, which he wasn't. He was the #1 ranked contender in 2014 but he wasn't the #1 WW in the world, that was Mayweather. As your link showed.