Uysk benefits in time a with gigantic heavyweights. In the 90’s with heavyweights that were normally 6’1-6’3 or shorter they would taken advantage of his weakness for body shots easily especially the boxer below 6’0.
Depends how he was matched up. I cant see him beating Lennox thats for sure. Wouldnt count him out against anyone else but someone like Bowe when he was actually on form would have been a serious problem. Tbh Iron Mike although he wasnt at his best anymore in the 90s, would have posed a stylistic threat because of his body attack and Usyks vulnerabilty in that area.
Forget them what about Ruddock, Mercer, Morrison level fighters?
Depends how he was matched up. I cant see him beating Lennox thats for sure. Wouldnt count him out against anyone else but someone like Bowe when he was actually on form would have been a serious problem. Tbh Iron Mike although he wasnt at his best anymore in the 90s, would have posed a stylistic threat because of his body attack and Usyks vulnerabilty in that area.
On a side note:
DuBois has gained some cult, bogeyman status after a borderline punch and a couple wins over Big Baby and overrated Filip.
Before all of that, he was soft and a quitter because he opted not risk his damaged eye socket any more in a fight.
The pendulum swings of the hot takes by fans is ridiculous.
I do not know what you are talking about! This pendulum effect... Humph! where fans see one fight and assume grandiose, illogical conclusions. Your the type of poster that does not think Tank Davis is the greatest lightweight ever, and did not surpass Floyd, with his master victory over the average, I mean... great Martin!:beerchug::lol1:
Uysk would most likely would not beat Larry Holmes who is way faster and longer.
Levels to the game... This is a really weak division. We have guys with decent Ammy skills like Povatkin, etc... The guys prior to Lewis had skills. Not even talking about Holmes per se... I mean guys like Shavers, Lyle, even Norton. And this persisted into the nineties with guys like Witherspoon, Tucker, Thomas, the list goes on and on.
Realistically the only two comprable fighters Usyk faced with that kind of ring savy were Bellew and maybe Hunter. In both fights Usyk had to resort to being more physical, and really did not outbox either man. If that sounds off, I implore anyone to watch the two fights and HOW Usyk won. No way he would be able to do that to guys with skill level and size back when Holmes ruled the roost.
Joshua is just not that good, or consistent, he has talent but does not have the technical savy of the division when it was filled with professionally trained fighters as opposed to Ammy trained guys. Fury? has the abilities and gave Usyk a real battle. If Fury wins the rematch it will show that Fury was beaten in a close fight but is the equal of Usyk and set up for another great trilogy. If Usyk manages to beat Fury then it shows he would be more competitive with the average work man like fighters in the Holmes epoche...
Regarding Holmes himself? He would destroy Usyk. His jab... And his chin. Usyk could not bully Holmes, and he could not neutralize the jab with footwork. At least I do not think so.
1 it's not a myth it's on video showing the legal bodyshot
2. Fury won the rounds he threw bodyshots and later gassed. If you are winning the rounds most people would call that effective
Carry on
It was clearly not a legal bodyshot. It was at best just slightly below the beltline, but it was objectively below the beltline no matter how you look at it. Some judges may not have called it, but it was the right call by the book and the ref had previously warned DDD he was going low.
The body shot myth continues even after Fury tried it and failed.
He could very easily have been a long reigning champ in the 90s. He has the skills and IQ to take on anyone and has the most crucial ability of all - the ability to continuously make adjustments to overcome his opponent. And he always finds a way to win.
Your not very perceptive, or are not looking carefully, hopefully the second... Watch when Fury has his moments in the fight and catches Usyk... Look at Usyk's face. Those shots hurt and his face registered concern for a reason. My point being, Fury was successful. It was a decent fight with back and fourth.
His body shot weakness would be taken advantage of by Heavyweights like Tua,Tyson,Holyfield
Maybe. But more likely is his southpaw stance and angles give them absolute fits.
They have never seen anything like him.
So Fury later gassed but Usyk didn't? In fact Usyk nearly knocked Fury out in the 9th after he'd taken all those body shots.
Seems like those body shots weren't so effective after all.
Carry on.
Fury his taller longer and weaker that’s why his body shots were less effective.
On a side note:
DuBois has gained some cult, bogeyman status after a borderline punch and a couple wins over Big Baby and overrated Filip.
Before all of that, he was soft and a quitter because he opted not risk his damaged eye socket any more in a fight.
The pendulum swings of the hot takes by fans is ridiculous.
Usyk is the greatest southpaw heavyweight ever.
That in itself is a problem for anyone in history.
They will have never faced, or sparred anyone with his skillset.
They would've found it hard to find any southpaws to spar, never mind Usyk.
His body shot weakness would be taken advantage of by Heavyweights like Tua,Tyson,Holyfield
Usyk is the greatest southpaw heavyweight ever.
That in itself is a problem for anyone in history.
They will have never faced, or sparred anyone with his skillset.
They would've found it hard to find any southpaws to spar, never mind Usyk.
1 it's not a myth it's on video showing the legal bodyshot
2. Fury won the rounds he threw bodyshots and later gassed. If you are winning the rounds most people would call that effective
Carry on
So Fury later gassed but Usyk didn't? In fact Usyk nearly knocked Fury out in the 9th after he'd taken all those body shots.
Seems like those body shots weren't so effective after all.
Carry on.
The body shot myth continues even after Fury tried it and failed.
He could very easily have been a long reigning champ in the 90s. He has the skills and IQ to take on anyone and has the most crucial ability of all - the ability to continuously make adjustments to overcome his opponent. And he always finds a way to win.
Fury doesn’t hit harder than Dubois plus he’s 6’7 it’s harder for taller opponents to hit body shots on opponents that are 4 inches or more shorter than them especially if they are fighting on the inside and is good defensively
Pure conjecture, of course.
1970's
Muhammad Ali ........Ali
George Foreman ......Foreman
Joe Frazier ...............Frazier
Larry Holmes ...........Holmes
Jerry Quarry .............Usyk
Ron Lyle ....................Usyk
Jimmy Ellis ..............Usyk
Jimmy Young ...........Usyk
Earnie Shavers .........Usyk
Joe Bugner ...............Usyk
1990's
Lennox Lewis ...........Lewis
Evander Holyfield .....Usyk
Mike Tyson ...............Tyson
Rid**** Bowe ...........Bowe
Ike Ibeabuchi ...........Usyk
David Tua ................Usyk
George Foreman ....Usyk
Larry Holmes ..........Usyk
Razor Ruddock .......Usyk
Oliver McCall ..........Usyk
Let's see if Usyk can beat Fury twice.
Uysk would most likely would not beat Larry Holmes who is way faster and longer.
Uysk benefits in time a with gigantic heavyweights. In the 90’s with heavyweights that were normally 6’1-6’3 or shorter they would taken advantage of his weakness for body shots easily especially the boxer below 6’0.
- - U in U BarneyBigBoys no matter the era.
Uysk benefits in time a with gigantic heavyweights. In the 90’s with heavyweights that were normally 6’1-6’3 or shorter they would taken advantage of his weakness for body shots easily especially the boxer below 6’0.
Lol most heavyweights today are between 6'1 and 6'3. Just because Tyson Fury, Wilder and Joshua are taller doesn't mean every heavyweight mow is that height. Also back in the 1990's you had Michael Grant, Jose Luis Gonzales, Mike White, Stanley Wright, Lance Whitaker, etc who were 6'7 to 6'10 and who weighed between 250 and 300 pounds never mind the guys who were 6'6.
This is how you can tell a person is a casual fan who just repeats what ESPN says. When these little kids start acting like being 6'5 plus makes you a super heavyweight and these little kids acting like there weren't tons of 6'5 plus heavyweights since the 1970's.
But Usyk isn't good. Him beating overrated Tyson Fury doesn't change that fact.
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