Garcia cleared!

ryan garcia, weed smoker, alco, ped user, scales cheater, annoying twat never won a title, but other than that i thinks hes ok

Why is damn near every high level boxer taking a supplement to many supplements yet only a handful of guys are popping dirty then? Where is the risk if it doesn't interfer with your activity? Or barely does? Outside of maybe 10% of PED usage situations I'd argue guys receive a suspension (a year or less) thats only slightly above their activity (a fight every 8mos on avg for top 10 guys) worst case. Show me your proof supplements don't improve athletic performance, allow for deficiencies to be improved & overall make a fighter better/more efficient with their time. Theres only so many hrs in the day to train, rest & put the things you need in your body to be the best version of you on fight night. You CAN get them from food, I never said you couldnt, but I don't think it’reasonable or accessible for most boxers to do this for numerous reasons. Because it’s not contained to every supplement. This actually supports the counter argument to what you made. Supplement contamination is rife, we know that, but like what I don’t know, out of 100 tubs of said supplement 17 will have issue? That’s a made up number but the point I’m making is that’s why Ryan going and getting the exact same supplement and handing it to VADA means NOTHING. Because just because that exact supplement is contaminated doesn’t prove the one he was using was. The risk is getting labelled a PED cheat for life. Nobody wants that, and that’s what you get. Whether it was intentional or not. Which is why the best course of action for tested athlete is again to avoid over the counter supplements. I didn’t say over the counter supplements don’t improve athletic performance, of course they do. I said they aren’t necessary for optimal performance, which they are objectively are not. Like I said, the most beneficial part of over the counter supplements are most convenience. A clean diet improves athletic performance, way more so than any over the counter supplement would. Adequate sleep improves athletic performance dratcilly in comparison to over the counter supplements. These things are necessary for optimal performance. Over the counter supplements are not. I mean, I don’t mean any disrespect but you don’t sound too versed on this topic. There aren’t enough hours in the day? Are you actually serious?

Good to hear. Feel bad about criticising Ryan now

The thing is this Take canelo for example, he is munching away on stakes apparently in mexico when its well know that there may be contamination for a certain substance but he still munches away happily and then tests positive for it, is it the steaks or is it just clever cheating? we surely will never know now take ryan he gets busted for a substance and immediately lists 2 supplements he is taking, now he and all pro athletes know for a fact that supplements can be contaminated and yet here he is munching away on them in the run up to his fight, one being a super carb supplement when he is supposed to be trying to lose weight now on top of that, any guy who knows about this stuff can tell u there are much safer supplement to take on the market that are certified ped free and i think have no issues whatsover, like... https://sport.wetestyoutrust.com/ https://www.nsfsport.com/ so there is literally no excuse for the excuses if u know what i mean

Idk that I've heard of a high level athlete who's 1)not taking supplements or 2)isnt on some damn near scientific diet with some likely highly paid nutritionist. I don't doubt there are guys who don't take any supplements, especially non-high level guys, but anyone trying to be as optimal as possible would likely be. You can & should get your supplements tested these days at a certain level of the sport. Many do that in other sports as I understand it. Many investigate the companies or similar supplements that tend to have banned substances slipped in. Wilder has talked in the past of having the WADA drug testing help line or some such ppl on speed dial for fear of taking a tainted supplement. Ryan is just kind of a fooking moron is part of the problem. Especially judging from his attempt to clear himself with opened products tested by his own ppl. Disagree. 1)its kinda bs there is THAT much contamination going on. Its not THAT common. I imagine 99% of the time a supplement IS tainted its not tainted enough for a positive test cuz there are still levels one must surpass that a contamination might not meet. Contamination is claimed far more often than its proven cuz its easy to claim & is a great go to excuse for intentional use to appear more innocent than one knows themselves to be I'd imagine. 2)the risk/reward ratio for a legit tainted supplement isn't staggering at all. Guys fight about every 8mos these days. Most PED usage suspensions gotta be a year or less & thats intentional or unintentional. The punishment for a legit provable tainted supplement has barely any punishment vs the usual inactivity of todays boxers. And the risk to rep is overinflated as well. Sure there are those who'll consider someone a "cheater" for the rest of their days, but usually most dgaf past your suspension or forget about it within a couple yrs as long as its not some notable situation like Big Baby testing for multiple things multiple times. It’s extremely common, actually. That’s not even a debate at this point. You are taking a total uncessary risk by taking things that are barely even beneficial. I don’t know if you have an any actual experience in working with or training professional athletes or have competed in a professional sport but you’re just incorrect on all levels if you think over the counter supplements are necessary for optimal performance. That are not. In a sport that’s untested or has weak testing like UK football or my sport which is body building then sure use them they have their place (again mostly convenience, for just one example just getting adequate sleep is VASTLY more important than any over the counter supplements) but why anyone would in a strict testing sport is asinine and non sensical.

I am a Nihilst, wasn't sure if you were aware of that or not and that's why you said it. This conversation has nothing to do with a Nihilistic perspective and entirely to do with what's demonstrably true and the reality of the situation. It's not unique at all, it's again just the actual reality of it. My personal stance, from an expert perspective, is if you are a caught with PED's in your system, you should be banned, because there is no excuse what so ever in 2024 to pop for them. Does contamination happen? Yes, it certainly does. We know that the supplement industry is rife with contamination. However #1 it can never be demonstrably proven as previously explained so it's a moot point from there and #2 there is a very easy way to avoid it; Don't take over the counter supplements, extremely simple. It blows my mind that athletes at that level still do, the risk reward ratio is ridiculously lop sided. Either way, it's neither here nor there. The NYSAC will weigh the evidence and make their call. Whatever their call is, it really doesn't matter to the reality of the situation which is it proves absolutely nothing in regards to whether Garcia intentionally used PED's or not, only he will know that and only he ever will. Yes... Why would a professional athlete with the resources to spare buy a supplement over the counter to take this risk? It really makes no sense at all. And it is true that some things cannot be proven. Actually technically speaking David Hume proved that the Sun coming up in the morning does not demonstrate it will come up the next day lol. Most people think a scientific explanation shows why the Sun will rise when in fact, the only way we know we will come up again is the probability is high that it will. The science comes after the fact. Often people are not aware of when something simply cannot be proven. Like a negative is another one that cannot be proven. I.e, prove God does not exist. Athletes just need to be aware. Professionals do things in a manner that cuts down on risk.

Couldn't disagree more. But I think there should be more severe punishments & especially if caught a second time. I wouldn't be opposed to a ban upon a second offense. Couldn't disagree more with what? Banning a fighter for popping for PEDs? This sounds good, but its a fantasy to think you can get all your needed nutrients, vitamins & etc purely from food while in camp. Ppl are gonna need some supplements to get to their optimal level. Should boxers be more careful? Obviously. Are boxers who'll do insane sh^t to make weight & are in a deadly life altering sport likely to be careful with things like this? Probably not. You gotta be reality based & meet ppl where they are to some degree. Again things can be improved & they are moving that way, but Rome wasn't built in a day. Why on Earth would you possibly think that is a fantasy idea? It objectively is not. Over the counter supplements are not necessarry for optimal performance. In fact they're often not even ideal depending on what you're buying. I take them, and I tell my untested guys to take them, sure, they have a place (mostly convenience realistically). But if you're tested? Why anyone would take anything from over the counter is BAFFLING. Like I said, the risk/reward ratio is staggering. With what we know about supplement contamination it is totally illogical for a tested athlete to even consider it.

If this is not the damnedest thing I've ever seen? That link was bullshit! This doesn't exonerate Ryan Garcia one damn bit or any damn way! He still has to answer for popping dirty for Ostarine and PED use when he stands before the NYSAC. It's just more typical made up bullshit by Team Ryan Garcia and his fan girls.

Your nihilism on this subject is unique I'll give you that. I just think you need some kind of protocol to determine intentional or unintentional usage that is impossible to be 100% accurate, but has enough checks & balances to be right more often than wrong. I think it'd be worse to punish all ppl equally & not take into account ones intentions as best as you reasonably can. You want to punish those who are intentionally trying to take something for an edge more severely. You want to punish those who did something stoopid less. And look the rules IN the ring are often flawed. All judges are rarely unflawed on any particular show. Nothing is gonna be 100% perfect. All you can do is keep making things better & I think PED sh^t has a long way to go to be on par with other sports but its moving in the right direction. I am a Nihilst, wasn't sure if you were aware of that or not and that's why you said it. This conversation has nothing to do with a Nihilistic perspective and entirely to do with what's demonstrably true and the reality of the situation. It's not unique at all, it's again just the actual reality of it. My personal stance, from an expert perspective, is if you are a caught with PED's in your system, you should be banned, because there is no excuse what so ever in 2024 to pop for them. Does contamination happen? Yes, it certainly does. We know that the supplement industry is rife with contamination. However #1 it can never be demonstrably proven as previously explained so it's a moot point from there and #2 there is a very easy way to avoid it; Don't take over the counter supplements, extremely simple. It blows my mind that athletes at that level still do, the risk reward ratio is ridiculously lop sided. Either way, it's neither here nor there. The NYSAC will weigh the evidence and make their call. Whatever their call is, it really doesn't matter to the reality of the situation which is it proves absolutely nothing in regards to whether Garcia intentionally used PED's or not, only he will know that and only he ever will.

They would have to prove the one he took. This will be entangled for a long time since Garcia has money and influence. If he doesn't fight many don't make money that he brings in so they will facilitate items to fight the charge. He can throw doubt in the mix but that is not proof. This drama will sell

Did Garcia also come to the weigh-in unintentionally 3.2 lbs overweight with a beer in his hand?

Mismatches are much worse than roider vs clean guy. Mismatches made Mike Tyson a household name.

Obviously they didn't see him take the supplement in real time to 100% confirm he consumed it. Thats probably never happened ever in the history of unintentional PED usage. Precisely. That's why "unintentional usage" is a none starter from the get go if we are talking about what's actually demonstrably true. I got no dog in this fight. But unintentional usage happens & how I stated it goes down is the minimum ik they do & I'm sure there is more to it than simply believing everything is good after that initial protocol is done. Yeah, me neither. And yes unintentional usage happens all the time. However it is literally impossible to prove unless you test that example supplement that they took. Not another random one of the same brand, that proves literally nothing. And again this don't matter cuz Ryan can't confirm anything. A testing agency needs to do this in their way. No one is gonna or should believe the guy who popped dirty saying it was unintentional so this is much ado about nothing til that process goes down via a 3rd party dealing with this situation. Well yeah, again a (broken) system issue. That's their system, I don't much care for it. None of it means anything and they pick and chose when these things even apply. So it's neither here nor there. I'm talking about the actual reality of the situation.

Only your dumbass can somehow turn this political lmfao I used to get lots of shiat when I went to the monster car shows with my M A G A hat sideways, my "Jesus did not tap" MMA shirt stretched hard over my gigantic belly rollicking like a cheap water bed, armed with my Glock secured in the crack of my anus in case trouble was near. Ohyeah I was a certified b a d azz!!! When I yelled "lets make Murica great again" it was like a clap of thunder! And when some he she tried to grab my hat I knocked one of her fillings out! His girl friend snuck me... I will get that biatch!!!!

You're far too into semantics here vs how things work with determining intentional vs unintentional usage. Sure its 100% possible that Ryan had some guys go search for supplements that had this banned substance in it to pretend he had taken it. But I'm also sure there is the testing agency doing some checks & balances on Ryan buying this supplement & taking it previous to the dirty test. Again the real issue right now with this is Ryan can't proclaim a damn thing about this banned substance. A testing agency needs to confirm this situation with their process. No, not really, nothing to so with semantics. I'm into what is demonstrably true and what's not. Ryan can give them the exact brand of supplements he used and they can go and test a random one of the same, if it comes back positive for Ostarine that's all it will prove, that that specific item is contaminated. It doesn't prove his unintentional use even remotely. That is not how it works if we are talking about actually demonstrably proving it. I'm sure the commission will happily use that as evidence for unintentional use because that is what they do, but it doesn't prove anything what so ever. Contaminated supplements are a big problem, but not all of them are going to be contaminated.

It matters as far as intentional or unintentional usage. And that will lessen or lengthen the time of his suspension. Again the bigger issue here is who the fook is declaring this. If its just Team Ryan this means fook all. If there is a testing agency who have tested Ryan's supplement + bought it off the shelf with the same batch number & both have tested dirty for this banned supplement than he'll likely get off on the intentional usage part of this that would give him a longer punishment. It actually doesn't matter, at all. It doesn't prove anything and I mean that in the literal sense. It doesn't demonstrably prove unintentional usage. It demonstrably proves that that specific supplement is contaminated and that is it. The one Ryan used, we have no idea and never will. He will likely get off for intentional usage regardless. But that's a broken system issue.

He is not cleared yet. It's not confirmed. Stop with the clickbait and lies.

oh yeah tr-ump was cleared too! he said so!

Yea agree. I believe the standard is the testing group takes the product & batch number the boxer used & go buy it off the shelf & test it themselves. Thats what can clear a fighter of intentional usage. The problem is unintentional usage is still a problem lol. No one gets cleared of PEDs in your system unless there is a testing issue. Its just the intention thats up for discussion. Doesn't really matter either way because just because the one they select is contaminated doesn't mean that the one that Garcia took was.

Only your dumbass can somehow turn this political lmfao Only me, huh? Do we know each other or something? It isn't my fault Ryan's fanbase are culty weirdos.