The likely outcome of Ryan Garcia's PED case

6 months out then :lol1: Was to be expected. I'm assuming more clarity on the reason he was only given a 1 year ban will be offered.

the all need to talk to dillion whyte on how to avoid sanctions with peds i mean hes beaten the rap in different jurisdictions as well, the last one being texas, tho im not sure what state the texas commission is in (not a joke its in texas i know that) & how the hell that all went down, devious dillion did it again, hes incredible

apparently tho according to youtube guy derek this is still well well short of being an effective level for getting any benefit from it performance wise amir get a large ban for a very small amount over it seems to me but then again hes retired and didnt challenge it and said he might have shook hands with the wrong guy lol funny stuff ​ Amir Khan had no reason to challenge that, he was retired. And the BBBoC/UKAD had a literal perfect opportunity to look stern with no get back on it. Khan is wealthy, you can guarantee if this was the middle of this career he would have thrown millions of pounds at it and got the best legal defence possible and there's almost no chance he'd have got a 2 year ban. Context has to be used on that one.

60x over the limit, when the limit is 0.1ng/ml Amir Khan was banned for 2 years for testing 0.5ng/ml . apparently tho according to youtube guy derek this is still well well short of being an effective level for getting any benefit from it performance wise amir get a large ban for a very small amount over it seems to me but then again hes retired and didnt challenge it and said he might have shook hands with the wrong guy lol funny stuff ​

What I see is that most people don't seem to know what kind of bans are handed out for testing positive for ostarine... Unless there is plain corruption, the ruling could be very severe. 60x over the limit, when the limit is 0.1ng/ml Amir Khan was banned for 2 years for testing 0.5ng/ml People have been banned for 2-4 years (in non-combat sports) for ostarine. That private hair follicle test, cannot be used to counter the urine test (it even says so on companies websites) and for a lot of reasons, that ostarine cannot be detected in hair follicles not even being the main reason.... Claiming contamination by just dumping some supplement bottles in front of the commission isn't how it works and as easy as some people seem to think. Then there are Garcia's reactions on social media, laughing it off claiming he loves steroids etc etc. Unprecedented, that will likely not do him any favors. We'll see how it plays out but if the commission is indeed serious, many people could be shocked by the ruling. Ehhh, what you're saying here is not really true. Take a look at Povektin's case as an immediate example, he got popped for Osterine, which was his second offense for PED's, what punishment did he get? Essentially nothing but a fine. On what basis? Contamination. Let's look at Lucian Bute, who tested positive for Ostarine. What punishment did he get? A fine a 6 month backdated ban. On what basis? Contamination. Amir Khan's case needs to use context, he was already retired at that point he got the ban. If he wasn't, you can bet he would not have got a 2 year ban. More than likely a 6 month one. Look at Dillian Whyte's case, he got popped for Dbol. A potent PED, in comparison to Ostarine. What punishment did he get? He didn't even get one. On what basis? Contamination. There's a running theme when fighters fail drug tests, and there tends to be one when they hand out punishments too. To say that "isn't how it works" in regards to claiming contamination is actually quite the opposite. It's very loose, for a lack of a better term. Look at every case above, look at Canelo's defence, which was essentially "I ate meat, I promise you, here's me at a steakhouse with no actual way to prove I even ate meat there" and they concluded from that that is was contamination and he got a 6 month ban, for Clen, which is way more potent than Ostarine. So if you're expecting Garcia to get some massive ban for this, I think you could be surprised with the outcome.

It has happened sure. I don't see it happening here. NY is a serious commission. Probably too serious. I don't see them reacting the same way a DC commission did. What I see is that most people don't seem to know what kind of bans are handed out for testing positive for ostarine... Unless there is plain corruption, the ruling could be very severe. 60x over the limit, when the limit is 0.1ng/ml Amir Khan was banned for 2 years for testing 0.5ng/ml People have been banned for 2-4 years (in non-combat sports) for ostarine. That private hair follicle test, cannot be used to counter the urine test (it even says so on companies websites) and for a lot of reasons, that ostarine cannot be detected in hair follicles not even being the main reason.... Claiming contamination by just dumping some supplement bottles in front of the commission isn't how it works and as easy as some people seem to think. Then there are Garcia's reactions on social media, laughing it off claiming he loves steroids etc etc. Unprecedented, that will likely not do him any favors. We'll see how it plays out but if the commission is indeed serious, many people could be shocked by the ruling.

So reality to you is, what is written, by other men, and not what you experience with your own senses? Many saw Garcia win. That will be a fact at the next negotiation. The NC will merely be a factoid. Many saw Garcia win....outside of the rules. Hence why it would be changed to a NC, meaning, he factually doesn't have a win over him. That's the literal, objective reality of the situation.

I mean, I think your idea of "reality" is slightly warped. What happened in the fight doesn't matter anymore, because the fight will have been deemed a No Contest by the commission. Meaning Garcia does not have a win over Haney, that's the reality of the situation (if that happens) You can pretend that reality doesn't exist if you really want to, that's up to you. So reality to you is, what is written, by other men, and not what you experience with your own senses? Many saw Garcia win. That will be a fact at the next negotiation. The NC will merely be a factoid.

Win or lose, now everyone knows Haney has a glass chin. And other fighters will certainly take advantage of this weakness. Everyone saw what happened. If Haney wants to go to 147 and fight others who are the same size he will end up getting knocked out. Haney will end up like Broner if he doesn't choose the right person to fight. ​ People knew that when Linares had him out on his feet for an entire round. I don't think he was known for having an iron chin.

Agree its unlikely to stay a W. A NC is pretty standard. Idk about flipping the result tho like they are trying to do. It can happen, Bute vs Badou Jack got changed to a DQ loss as I previously mentioned.

The way I see it you guys are concerned with posterity and principle. You want a NC or a DQ because you want the record to reflect that Garcia cheated. I am saying, come their next negotiation, as they will battle to add "0s" to their paychecks, Haney will be negotiating, 'coming off a loss,' no matter what Boxrec says. Garcia is revitalized, no matter what Boxrec says. Boxrec, nor any commission, is going to change that reality. So go ahead I guess make the point. Posterity will thank you. I mean, I think your idea of "reality" is slightly warped. What happened in the fight doesn't matter anymore, because the fight will have been deemed a No Contest by the commission. Meaning Garcia does not have a win over Haney, that's the reality of the situation (if that happens) You can pretend that reality doesn't exist if you really want to, that's up to you.

Win or lose, now everyone knows Haney has a glass chin. And other fighters will certainly take advantage of this weakness. Everyone saw what happened. If Haney wants to go to 147 and fight others who are the same size he will end up getting knocked out. Haney will end up like Broner if he doesn't choose the right person to fight. ​

You saw a fight that was a no contest, yes (If it gets changed to that) His official record will be the "score" in that scenario. Whereby he doesn't have a win over Haney. The way I see it you guys are concerned with posterity and principle. You want a NC or a DQ because you want the record to reflect that Garcia cheated. I am saying, come their next negotiation, as they will battle to add "0s" to their paychecks, Haney will be negotiating, 'coming off a loss,' no matter what Boxrec says. Garcia is revitalized, no matter what Boxrec says. Boxrec, nor any commission, is going to change that reality. So go ahead I guess make the point. Posterity will thank you.

Yes he does. I saw it. Who is keeping score? You saw a fight that was a no contest, yes (If it gets changed to that) His official record will be the "score" in that scenario. Whereby he doesn't have a win over Haney.

It matters entirely. If the decision gets changed then Garcia no longer has a win over Haney. Yes he does. I saw it. Who is keeping score?

Does it matter? There is no playoff spot at sake; no one is keeping score. Except Boxrec and a couple of boxing geeks, i.e me and you. Haney got beat and didn't look so good. Garcia got revitalized. Both will have to negotiate their next fight off their performance in this one. It matters entirely. If the decision gets changed then Garcia no longer has a win over Haney.

What about the result of his fight against Haney? Do you all think it remains, is changed into a NC, or overturned as a DQ? I think that if Ryan is cleared of intentionally cheating the result will remain. Does it matter? There is no playoff spot at sake; no one is keeping score. Except Boxrec and a couple of boxing geeks, i.e me and you. Haney got beat and didn't look so good. Garcia got revitalized. Both will have to negotiate their next fight off their performance in this one.

What about the result of his fight against Haney? Do you all think it remains, is changed into a NC, or overturned as a DQ? I think that if Ryan is cleared of intentionally cheating the result will remain. I think almost guaranteed to be changed to an NC. Could possibly be a DQ loss, like Lucian Bute got vs Badou Jack, where, coincidentally, Bute a failed test for the same drug; Ostarine. I think the chances of it staying a W for Garcia is next to nil.

What about the result of his fight against Haney? Do you all think it remains, is changed into a NC, or overturned as a DQ? I think that if Ryan is cleared of intentionally cheating the result will remain.

What likely outcome? You mean it's not settled yet? What in hell am I missing? Will this be another silly Benn case in which these boards take years to make any decision? It's not even began. The NYSAC are one of the better commissions with things like this so I'd imagine it will be relatively speedy, but he will have a hearing at some point in the near future, and then he and his legal team will present their evidence and he be given his outcome. Why Benn's case took so long (and still is) is because the procedure is very different in the UK, over here all drug matters are regulated by UKAD, so when fighters protest their innocence, it becomes them vs UKAD. So Benn had his hearing with the BBBoC/UKAD and won that hearing and had his suspension lifted, that alone is an incredibly drawn out process that took almost a year to do, then, when BBBoC/UKAD lost they appealed that loss and then had another hearing and won that appeal, which took another 8 months or so. So that one is STILL on going because now Benn has lost the case (overturned on appeal), BBBoC and UKAD will now assumingly present him with a ban, how long that ban will be who knows but I'm assuming it will be a backdated one. I'd imagine this case with Garcia will be a lot more speedy, and straight forward.