Let's make it final: Usyk vs Fury

I'm still 50/50 on that. What I do know is that anyone (and there are plenty on this thread already) saying things like "Fury wins and loses this in the gym" or "if Fury is prepared he wins" have completely fallen for Fury's pretty basic mind games. It's not as simple as if Fury wins then he was ready, if he doesn't then he wasn't. There's another guy who will be in that ring and he's an excellent fighter. Fury has had a long time to prepare. He will be in the best shape he can manage. If he's beaten then he's beaten by the better man. What I mean by stating? 'Tyson Fury will win or lose this fight in training camp' I.E Tyson Fury will not lose this fight due to lack of effort, it is very clear that Fury is putting a extreme level of effort into his training camp for Oleksandr Usyk. And in my opinion, from what I have observed thus-far in Fury's preparations? I have not been impressed with Fury 'I have actually been very concerned'. Tyson Fury and his team have gone into complete overdrive, and reacted in a panic 'To Tyson Fury's performance vs Francis Ngannou'. Fury for the first time in his career, I sense is questioning his own abilities 'If this was not the case, Fury and his entire team would of not reacted the way they did after the Ngannou match up'. The same way a fighter can throw caution to the wind in a brutal fight 'It appears that Tyson Fury and his team metaphorically are just throwing caution to the wind in preparation for this fight. And they have gone into complete overdrive'. From what I have observed it seems that Tyson Fury and his team are not really coming into this fight 'With the Kronk Fury concept'. Note: I will not make a accurate prediction, at this stage in the build up. But come the weigh in 'I think those of use who have analysed boxing in-depth for many years? Will be able to pick up on whether Tyson Fury has executed a great training camp or not'. But right about now, if I am being really honest? I have not been impressed with Fury and his team 'Fury's lack of Elite and World level experience is actually showing up during these fight preparations'. Tyson Fury is not experienced in the same way Anthony Joshua and Oleksandr Uysk are 'Tyson Fury was not a elite level amateur boxer, Joshua and Uysk were both Olympic Champions' etc.

Will Fury even show up? I'm still 50/50 on that. What I do know is that anyone (and there are plenty on this thread already) saying things like "Fury wins and loses this in the gym" or "if Fury is prepared he wins" have completely fallen for Fury's pretty basic mind games. It's not as simple as if Fury wins then he was ready, if he doesn't then he wasn't. There's another guy who will be in that ring and he's an excellent fighter. Fury has had a long time to prepare. He will be in the best shape he can manage. If he's beaten then he's beaten by the better man.

Will Fury even show up?

Fury by stoppage late. I think Usyk will struggle with his long reach. Also Usyk does not have the power to hurt Fury.

I think Usyk wins a fair fight with unbiased officiating. But he's not going to get that after Turki's comments about his future plans for Fury, even if the judges aren't actually paid off. Any close rounds will go to Fury by default, and the only way Usyk wins by any kind of KO is likely if he reopens that cut. He's a point fighter against a much bigger man. He has to absolutely dominate ala Bivol v Canelo and he'll still get similar cards to that fight if he does, just because the judges won't want to look like they're ruining the plans for the Money Man. Fury looks in good shape too, and there doesn't appear to be any VADA testing for it. Either Usyk dominates, or he loses. More routes to victory for Fury.

i got fury if hes fit and focused but it will be tough

Great opinions all around, guys (and gals)! I see all spectrum of choices, keep'em coming! I can definitely see something epic or crazy happening in this fight. :boxing:

Usyk by KO. I see Fury having problems with the movement of Usyk early on, then he will switch it up and try to make it a dog fight but then will get tagged with a double left hand, get wobbled and waved off. If Fury comes up close and overreach than Usyk left will find him. Usyk has enough power in his left hand and he knows how to deliver due to his mastery of footwork.

- - Tyson already bailed on the first Usyk fight like he did with the Wlad rematch, so obviously his bully persona is feeling a bit flimsy these days, the newest sissyboy in the world...:hitit:

Tyson Fury will win or lose this fight in training camp, and thus-far? I have not been impressed with Tyson Fury and his team's tactics in preparation for this fight. From my observations, which combines all what I have read, all the interviews I have watched 'And what I sense instinctually'. I stated many months ago, that it appears? Tyson Fury and his team have reacted in a panic to his performance against Francis Ngannou 'And gone into complete overdrive'. I have highlighted that many fighters historically, who share similar traits with Fury 'Whenever they have suddenly decided to go into complete overdrive, in some sort of reaction to a under-par performance? It has most of the time backfired, and had negative effects upon crucial aspects of their game'. Tyson Fury made a conscious decision to alter his training concepts, for his rematch vs Deontay Wilder II 'Up until this point in Fury's career, and comeback? Tyson Fury was attempting to duplicate his former old school Riddler style'. This style of fighting usually was a bi-product, that demanded a certain type of conditioning 'Which typically seen Fury weighing in at 250 + pounds and under'. It has become abundantly clear, that Fury was having difficultly recreating his former condition during his comeback fights 'The evidence for this was his fights vs Deontay Wilder I and Otto Wallin'. Tyson Fury weighed in at 256 pounds vs Deontay Wilder I, and 254 pounds vs Otto Wallin 'And lets all be honest? Fury was battered in both fights'. Tyson Fury did not win his first fight against Deontay Wilder I 'You do not won world titles by being backed up all night, decked twice once badly'. Muhammad Ali during his comeback, also went through a similar stage of his career 'When Ali first comeback to the sport after his license being taken away, he attempted to duplicate his former style and condition. Muhammad Ali fought Joe Frazier in the fight of the century, and lost that fight. And then Muhammad Ali's next big rivalry was against Ken Norton, Ali lost the first fight vs Norton 'But won the rematch'. Muhammad Ali went into complete overdrive in training for his rematch with Ken Norton 'Both fighter's condition was supreme. I have always thought that Muhammad Ali & Ken Norton were overstrained slightly for the rematch, but nobody can deny their overall conditioning'. It was after the second Muhammad Ali vs Ken Norton II fight 'Muhammad Ali realized and made a conscious decision to adapt and alter his fighting style. Ali knew he had to make this altercation in order to stay competitive'. Tyson Fury in a very similar situation, after his 12 round competitive fight against Otto Wallin 'Fury made the conscious decision to alter his training concepts and fighting style'. Tyson Fury weighed in at 272 pounds vs Deontay Wilder II 'That weight was Fury's then career heaviest weight'. Many hardcore Fury fans, and boxing analyst regard Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder II 'Tyson Fury's best ever pure boxing performance, outside of his fight against Wladimir Kiltschko'. Note: Tyson Fury since his great win vs Deontay Wilder II 'Has been preparing for fights, and training with a specific concept. The Kronk Fury concept'. But since Tyson Fury's performance vs Francis Ngannou 'It appears that Tyson Fury and his team, have thrown out the Kronk Fury concept. They have reacted in a panic, and gone into complete overdrive'. Tyson Fury was in fighting condition vs Francis Ngannou 'Fury weighed in at 277 pounds fully clothed, so Fury was most likely 275 to 274 pounds'. Tyson Fury weighed in at 277 pound vs Deontay Wilder III 'The third Wilder fight, is regarded as one of Tyson Fury's last genuine great performances'. The notion that Tyson Fury did not train for Francis Ngannou 'Is nonsense, and people need to stop promoting this narrative. Because it is not backed with any evidence. Was Tyson Fury in his best condition ever? NO, but he was definitively for sure fighting condition for Francis Ngannou'. All of those factors, are why Tyson Fury's performance vs Francis Ngannou 'Has hit Tyson Fury and his team extremely hard'. Fury and his team have reacted in a panic 'And gone into complete overdrive'. It appears that Tyson Fury and his team, are attempting to bring back 'A version of Fury that we have not seen for almost 9 years'. Right now, for the first time in Tyson Fury's career 'Fury is questioning his own abilities'. If this was not the situation for Tyson Fury, he would not of reacted to his performance vs Francis Ngannou 'Like he has done'. It is not just Tyson Fury, it seems like 'Fury's entire team have react in panic. And you can document this by, observing during interviews how their perception on fighting Oleksandr Usyk has dramatically altered'. When the fight was first scheduled 'People from Fury's team were stating, that Fury can beat Uysk in a multitude of ways. Tyson Fury can ether just bull forward or out box Oleksandr Uysk'. Now, distinctly during the aftermath of Tyson Fury's performance vs Francis Ngannou 'All of those narratives, practically disappeared'. And those narratives were replaced with 'Tyson Fury was not in condition vs Francis Ngannou. Tyson Fury needs more time to get in condition for Oleksandr Uysk. Tyson Fury needs to bring back his pure boxing, and movement'. So what I have observed, it does appear like Tyson Fury and his team 'Have not been certain on how to prepare for Oleksandr Uysk. For the first time in Tyson Fury's career, he is uncertain on how to prepare for a fight'. That is why he has gone into complete overdrive 'Fighters who are certain about their fighting style and abilities, don't historically behave this way. Especially not Heavyweight fighters'. For me personally, I believed the most optimal way Fury should of prepare for Uysk 'Would of been to just endure another training camp, after his fight vs Ngannou and solidified his conditioning from that fight'. Tyson Fury was 277 pounds 6 months ago 'He was already fighting condition. The most wisest and optimal way to prepare in my opinion, would of been to make no dramatic altercations in training concepts and to just endure another back to back training camp'. This would limit the potentially possibility of overtraining, and it would of been a statement of certainty 'For Tyson Fury in his abilities'. But no matter what version of Tyson Fury turns up 'People must understand that Fury, historically has almost always won his biggest fights accept Deontay Wilder I. Tyson Fury's clutch game is top level, and this is another one of those fights. That is also why I still will not 100% disregard Tyson Fury in this fight' etc.

I doubt the promoters / Saudi's will give Fury the nod IF he looses say 7-5 on a fair score card... Not so sure. A lot of money in a Fury / Joshua bout, especially if ALL the belts are on the line. Usyk won't rematch Joshua, and frankly outside of hardcores, he's not really a name. I believe Usyk will need to win dramatically to get the nod, which I think he's more than capable of doing. Maybe I'm just being a pessimist.

I hope Usyk wins and I'll be rooting for him but I think Fury's size might be a bit too much for Usyk too overcome. Fury by KO.

Usyk is hungrier, more disciplined, frankly better. Fury has size and I'll be fair, he is a pretty good technical boxer when he wants to be. However, the Ngannou fight was a clear indicator where Fury is today. He's made an obscene amount of money and can afford to house every Gypsy from here to there if he wanted. He no longer has that drive to match Usyk's work rate. His "power" is a smokescreen, so I don't see any of his punches particularly bothering Usyk. He will literally need to smother Usyk and hope that tires him out. I also think his recent training is compensation and not determination. I think he's going to come in with too much toxic masculinity and tire himself out quickly. Usyk will outpoint him all night and then Fury will probably get the nod because of politics. No one is getting KO'd in this fight; it will most likely go the score cards.

If Fury is in top shape i say he takes a decision maybe even stopping him to the body like the shot he put Wilder down with we all know Usyk doesn't like it to the body. Come on, Fury tripped Wilder.

I got no horse in this race. Id be upset for both whoever loses.Id be happy for usy k if he won. Id be pleased forbfury if he wins. I'm confused, torn. Ok, usy k decision

To me, if both are at 100% I'd pick Fury 6 or 7 times out of 10 and Usyk 3 or 4 Based on how I perceive their current physical states, Usyk UD. I think Fury's feet have become too slow, that will mean he will struggle to dictate the range of the fight, and Usyk will not find it that hard to get into his preferred range. Fury is going to have to rely on brawling and hoping Usyk breaks down physically before Fury's stamina does. I'm not so sure about that. Not a super confident pick, a fury win wouldn't shock me, it'd just indicate fury has a bit more left than I thought.

If Fury is in top shape i say he takes a decision maybe even stopping him to the body like the shot he put Wilder down with we all know Usyk doesn't like it to the body.

Usyk decision.