After Saturday which one of the young guns of this era had the most sensational wins even with the lossess.
- Tank Davis (beat Ryan, Barrios, Pitbull, Leo Santa Cruz, etc.)
- Teofimo Lopez (beat Loma, Taylor, Commey, Nakatani, etc.)
- Ryan Garcia (beat Haney, Luke Campbell, Fortuna, etc.)
- Devin Haney (beat Prograis, Loma (allegedly), Jojo Diaz, Linares, etc.)
Bonus: Shakur (beat Valdez, Conceicao, Herring, Nakathila, etc.)
Which is why lineal is arbitrary and barely better than any other metric. Especially when we're talking about Haney who entered the ring vs Kambosos at least as a welterweight at minimum. He regularly rehydrates 25 lbs. Here you are quibbling about 3 lbs at weigh in when Ryan was the first opponent who was actually the same size as Haney. At the end of the day, they were the same size and Ryan won.
I'll go on farther. I'll give Ryan top honors because he fought one of the other top guys prime for prime and won. If we're really looking carefully at these fights you can't seriously look at the Ryan that showed up against Davis as having any ability to fight. I mean it would be like sticking somebody in a cell starving them, and then telling them to go fight in the Colosseum in Rome lol.
After Saturday which one of the young guns of this era had the most sensational wins even with the lossess.
- Tank Davis (beat Ryan, Barrios, Pitbull, Leo Santa Cruz, etc.)
- Teofimo Lopez (beat Loma, Taylor, Commey, Nakatani, etc.)
- Ryan Garcia (beat Haney, Luke Campbell, Fortuna, etc.)
- Devin Haney (beat Prograis, Loma (allegedly), Jojo Diaz, Linares, etc.)
Bonus: Shakur (beat Valdez, Conceicao, Herring, Nakathila, etc.)
In the name of consistency if you're going to call the Loma victory for Haney alleged, which is fine, then you got to do the same for Davis versus Pitbull. Many people think Pitbull won their fight. I do.
I think they're pretty even. If you look at the Santa Cruz win for tank Santa Cruz is really a smaller fighter. Tank cherry picked and made sure Ryan was a skeleton as well. So those two victories don't count for much I guess we can take tank out of the equation for the best.
Loma is a good name, Lopez straight out beat him so let's assume Lopez has a better resume than Haney who fought a controversial fight with Loma.
Haney is a good victory and he's prime for prime in that group so I guess we have to give Garcia top honors followed by Lopez then I guess Haney and finally Davis.
I don't care about resumes, Lopez is the best of the four. After the kambosa fight I thought his medical excuse was just an excuse but watching the fights where he's healthy you can see his skills sets him apart from the rest.
Tank is also a good fighter with a shiety resume. He'd beat Haney worse than ryan did.
Who you got if Teo fights Tank at 140
After Saturday which one of the young guns of this era had the most sensational wins even with the lossess.
- Tank Davis (beat Ryan, Barrios, Pitbull, Leo Santa Cruz, etc.)
- Teofimo Lopez (beat Loma, Taylor, Commey, Nakatani, etc.)
- Ryan Garcia (beat Haney, Luke Campbell, Fortuna, etc.)
- Devin Haney (beat Prograis, Loma (allegedly), Jojo Diaz, Linares, etc.)
Bonus: Shakur (beat Valdez, Conceicao, Herring, Nakathila, etc.)
From your list of graduates ; Teo hands down
But it is up for debate from fans of promotions , of course imo
Devin disagrees with u, this is what he said
"I think I was just born to be in this position. I thank God for it," Haney said. "I'm blessed with super talent, IQ in the ring. I trust my skills when I'm in the ring. Nothing really worries because I know the work I put in and the skillset that I have."
I used to say things like that too. Coincidentally... it was always during the ride home from the bar.
Haney, like i been saying, I don't know how he made it so far. No power, no speed, no reflex, no chin, instinct or IQ. How the hell....
Devin disagrees with u, this is what he said
"I think I was just born to be in this position. I thank God for it," Haney said. "I'm blessed with super talent, IQ in the ring. I trust my skills when I'm in the ring. Nothing really worries because I know the work I put in and the skillset that I have."
Still beat the man who beat the man though, so shouldn't that boost his resume?
It's his best win for sure and it doesn't hurt. But context matters. Mike Tyson lost 6 times but only Buster Douglas took the lineal championship off him.
That's not how it works.
Lomachenko vs Lopez was for the lineal championship. Lopez won, then Kambosos beat him, then Haney beat him, then he moved up in weight ending that lineage. A 143 pounder beating him at 140 has nothing to do with his former lineal lightweight champion status.
Still beat the man who beat the man though, so shouldn't that boost his resume?
I don't care about resumes, Lopez is the best of the four. After the kambosa fight I thought his medical excuse was just an excuse but watching the fights where he's healthy you can see his skills sets him apart from the rest.
Tank is also a good fighter with a shiety resume. He'd beat Haney worse than ryan did.
Haney, like i been saying, I don't know how he made it so far. No power, no speed, no reflex, no chin, instinct or IQ. How the hell....
Teo did it twice tho. That Taylor win sets him apart
taylor got smacked around by catterall and dropped all his belts to avoid a rematch, catterall should by right have been the lineal champ, twat taylor just sold the title to teo in new york for cash
That's not how it works.
Lomachenko vs Lopez was for the lineal championship. Lopez won, then Kambosos beat him, then Haney beat him, then he moved up in weight ending that lineage. A 143 pounder beating him at 140 has nothing to do with his former lineal lightweight champion status.
Which is why lineal is arbitrary and barely better than any other metric. Especially when we're talking about Haney who entered the ring vs Kambosos at least as a welterweight at minimum. He regularly rehydrates 25 lbs. Here you are quibbling about 3 lbs at weigh in when Ryan was the first opponent who was actually the same size as Haney. At the end of the day, they were the same size and Ryan won.
Lineal meaning "beat the man who beat the man"?
Davis beat Garcia who beat Haney who beat Kambosos who beat Lopez lol. It's an interesting topic.
That's not how it works.
Lomachenko vs Lopez was for the lineal championship. Lopez won, then Kambosos beat him, then Haney beat him, then he moved up in weight ending that lineage. A 143 pounder beating him at 140 has nothing to do with his former lineal lightweight champion status.
Lineal meaning "beat the man who beat the man"?
Davis beat Garcia who beat Haney who beat Kambosos who beat Lopez lol. It's an interesting topic.
Teo did it twice tho. That Taylor win sets him apart
Lopez is a two division lineal champion.
Haney is a one division lineal champion.
Davis is a zero division lineal champion.
Garcia has never even won a world title, let alone a legitimate lineal championship.
It's Lopez all day.
Lineal meaning "beat the man who beat the man"?
Davis beat Garcia who beat Haney who beat Kambosos who beat Lopez lol. It's an interesting topic.
Lopez is a two division lineal champion.
Haney is a one division lineal champion.
Davis is a zero division lineal champion.
Garcia has never even won a world title, let alone a legitimate lineal championship.
It's Lopez all day.