Can Usyk knock Fury out?

I'd say that's a point well made. :hail: I'll tell you another good point Fury got knocked down by Cunningham because he started with a gameplan that suited Cunningham. Then he actually utilised his size difference and ability to fight inside for a big man and he left Cunningham unconscious on the floor in the seventh round and that's the only time Cunningham has ever been knocked out despite being in the ring with big punchers. that's because a former cruiser simply can't handle someone the size of Tyson Fury if they decide to really utilize their size effectively and can do it as well ad him. Thats why Cunningham was left crumpled on the floor for the only time in his career. Size alone won't win fights. Being brilliant at utilising it against a smaller man will though... people bring up this thing that Fury got dropped in that fight. Knockdowns happen in boxing but which fighter was out cold on the floor in the seventh round when Fury decided to use his size? usyk has NO inside game except wait for the ref to break. Hes lucky AJ and Dubois have no history of knowing how to big man smaller opponents.

You're not a ref! Usyk trunks were not high and the blow was clearly outside of the rules! Look up what a low blow is. You can argue that Usky is suspect to LEGAL body blows vs. a puncher which Fury is not. Dubois was a puncher that went low. When did Usyk have an issue with taking a body shot as a pro??? Asking you but I doubt you will reply back to the question.​ Joshua caught him with a clean body shot and he complained to the referee and said it was a low Dubois knocked him out with a legit body, again, complained it was low....so there's two examples in his last two fights :lol1: There was nothing low about those shots unless Usyk is deformed.

I know what I saw. It was a punch on the belt line that smashed Usyk's glass body that he clearly has. Every time he gets even a glancing blow to the body he cries to the ref. Why do you think his training this camp has a lot more focus on strengthening his core for body shots? If dubois hit him low then his body isn't the problem right? He has nothing to worry about. "It was an uppercut" - kind of. But it wasnt thrown at his chin, which creates a much steeper angle. It was thrown to the body which means it comes at a flatter angle, meaning in the picture the trajectory and angle of the arm as it lands is virtually identical to when it was thrown. unless he threw the uppercut from the floor then it won't have the trajectory to do what you claim happened. Basic science my friend. It was to the body and Usyk couldn't handle it, not for the first time. You're not a ref! Usyk trunks were not high and the blow was clearly outside of the rules! Look up what a low blow is. You can argue that Usky is suspect to LEGAL body blows vs. a puncher which Fury is not. Dubois was a puncher that went low. When did Usyk have an issue with taking a body shot as a pro??? Asking you but I doubt you will reply back to the question.​

Interesting. Can the smaller HW KO the larger HW? Usyk has never actually weighed in above the bridgerweight limit, but, somehow and for some reason Z reckons he can KO Fury who is one of the largest champions in history. :dunno: Size at heavyweight has little to do with having a good boxing chin. Looking back Carnera, he was larger than Fury. He chin was not good. Fury is was knocked down by old blow up cruiser who was not known as a puncher. Usyk can do the same.

You don't know what you are talking about. The photo shows the blow was low and it a photo of an uppercut that landed even lower! I know what I saw. It was a punch on the belt line that smashed Usyk's glass body that he clearly has. Every time he gets even a glancing blow to the body he cries to the ref. Why do you think his training this camp has a lot more focus on strengthening his core for body shots? If dubois hit him low then his body isn't the problem right? He has nothing to worry about. "It was an uppercut" - kind of. But it wasnt thrown at his chin, which creates a much steeper angle. It was thrown to the body which means it comes at a flatter angle, meaning in the picture the trajectory and angle of the arm as it lands is virtually identical to when it was thrown. unless he threw the uppercut from the floor then it won't have the trajectory to do what you claim happened. Basic science my friend. It was to the body and Usyk couldn't handle it, not for the first time.

Fury is going to comfortably outbox and beat up the draft dodger. It'll be an easy fight. I thought you had changed your pick to Usyk? I think Fury beats him easily. Fury isn't some boxer puncher that can only fight at mid range like Joshua and Dubois. Their ideal fighting range because they can't do anything else is exactly where Usyk wants them to be. That's why I felt AJ had no chance vs Usyk really. Fury can use a long jab and pivot, which complete negates Usyk's angle changes. Most big heavyweight don't even pivot. By doing that he can keep the fight very long distance where Usyk will struggle. Or Fury can maul him up close. Usyk simply needs Fury to be at a perfect range for him and why would Fury oblige when he has 2 options not to? AJ and Dubois had no options unless they tried to fight in a way they have 0 experience in doing. I always said that the best thing that ever happened to Fury in terms of this upcoming fight was that fight with Cunningham years ago because he was naive then to think he could box with a smaller man at mid-range and that's why he had to change game plan in the middle of the fight and flattened him. It's hard for these big men to box at mid-range with the smaller men, that's why Usyk has success doing it and why Michael Hunter beat some big heavyweights. People said AJ was naive for thinking he could outbox Usyk. He wasn't naive, it's because he simply fights in one style that suits Usyk. Apart from a bit of movement against 300lbs Ruiz, he has shown no real long range or inside ability. very different story fighting Fury who wont stand at mid range.

In his last fight when he faked a low blow and should've been counted out. Look how high the belt line is. That's as clean a shot to the stomach as you'll see. {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\thttps___prod.static9.net.au_fs_3387c3aa-d8a6-4d76-9b42-89d530dadc4d.png Views:\t0 Size:\t204.8 KB ID:\t32227665","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"32227665","data-size":"medium"} You don't know what you are talking about. The photo shows the blow was low and it a photo of an uppercut that landed even lower!

Fury is going to comfortably outbox and beat up the draft dodger. It'll be an easy fight.

In his last fight when he faked a low blow and should've been counted out. {"data-align":"none","data-size":"medium","data-attachmentid":32227665} In his last two fights: the same thing happened in the second AJ fight... under the same (pro-Ukrainian) referee...

3. When was the last time Usyk was floored? It had to be sometime when he was and amateur! That was a long time ago...you tell me when. - Dr. Z In his last fight when he faked a low blow and should've been counted out. Look how high the belt line is. That's as clean a shot to the stomach as you'll see. {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\thttps___prod.static9.net.au_fs_3387c3aa-d8a6-4d76-9b42-89d530dadc4d.png Views:\t0 Size:\t204.8 KB ID:\t32227665","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"32227665","data-size":"medium"}

3. When was the last time Usyk was floored? It had to be sometime when he was and amateur! That was a long time ago...you tell me when. - Dr. Z You mean, besides v Dubois? That one's still in question, but might matter in this.

I think he CAN, but I don't think he WILL. He'll use his footwork and punching ability to outbox Fury. I can easily see Fury getting knocked down as he has a weak chin and frequently hits the canvas but I don't see a KO coming. It will be an obvious UD with no possibility of a corrupt decision. I'm looking forward to this bout as I've booked flights and tickets. I just hope Fury doesn't go mental and quite prior to the fight happening. The boxing powers of the sport, the men who run things at the WBC and the promoters are changing and Fury corruptness over the sport has also diminished. He was cut up in sparring and looked awful in his last fight barely winning a dicey decision over a nobody 0-0 nobody in boxing. He is just a name now and is a has - been. The Saudi's have no allegiance to Fury and know his sand in the hourglass is just about up. Ie, he's not likely to get any gift decisions. I think Usky will beat him badly. The skills and conditioning of the two men are very much in Usky's favor and Fury is no puncher! But Fury is known to Foul as he has done so and lost points in 5 separate fights. Which fighter can you name in the past or current that has done that? Fury cheats when he needs to. It is no accident. I think the chances if Fury losing by DQ in this fight are higher than normal. By the way I enjoy your posts.

Fury is a dog...there is no quit in him. Wilder dropped him with huge shots in their first fight. Usyk can cut him or tire him out which could cause the stoppage by Tko..But a classic Ko...not. Good point about the cut. Think you're right that reopening that cut is the most likely way for there to be a TKO in favor of Usyk.

Fury is a dog...there is no quit in him. Wilder dropped him with huge shots in their first fight. Usyk can cut him or tire him out which could cause the stoppage by Tko..But a classic Ko...not.

at heavyweight, anyone can knock anyone out. :confused:

Usyk can knock Fury out but he'll only attempt it if he gains a big upper hand. His game plan is always do exhaust his opponents and weaken them. So, anyone saying that Usyk can't stop Fury because Wilder didn't, is not thinking clearly. Usyk uses a completely different methodology than Wilder and Usyk won't back off like Wilder did after Fury was knocked down and got up. Do you guys forget how Wilder was the one getting beat up on the ropes after the knockdown? Wilder is mentally much weaker than both Usyk and Fury and is a much lesser fighter. One punch is not the best way to stop Fury...work-rate and combinations can do it. Dragging him through an exhausting fight before a final bombardment can do the job. BUT, Usyk will just be focused on winning with whatever means are available to him. I doubt he's going to be looking for a KO. All the Wilder deniers (haters) agree with you, and even I commend you on a thoughtful analysis. But....Calling Wilder "strategically weak" would pass my test, but calling him "mentally weak"? Nope. Maybe it's only semantics, but when Wilder gets stopped, he goes out on his shield like few fighters in the game today. We can't say the same for Usyk after the "save me ref" performance against Dubois.

When I said Fury would KO Wilder you guys called me crazy. What I could see is Usyk K down Fury but not K out Fury for good.

Probably not.

I have stated on other threads? That I believe Fury has gone into complete overdrive for this fight, and there is a potential that he could over train. All the signs are there, that Fury and his team have reacted in a panic to his performance vs Ngannou 'And now suddenly after years of fighting under a Kronk Fury concept? Now they are seemingly attempting to bring back a hybrid form of the old school Riddler'. There was a reason as to why Tyson Fury, went from weighing in at 250 + pounds to 260 to 270 + pounds 'It was a conscious decision from Tyson Fury'. When Tyson Fury first came back to the sport, he did attempt to recreate his former Riddler style which is accompanied by a specific type of conditioning and physique for Fury. Fury in his first Championship level fight, weighed in at 256 pounds vs Deontay Wilder I 'Tyson Fury did not win the first Deontay Wilder fight, he was backed up all night and deck twice once badly. The fight was correctly scored as a draw'. Tyson Fury then weighed in at 253 pounds vs Otto Wallin 'Fury was banged about, and pushed over 12 rounds in a competitive fight vs Otto Wallin 'It was soon after those performances that Tyson Fury, made the conscious decision to alter his approach to the sport and create a new concept. Kronk Fury'. Muhammad Ali went through a similar stage in his career, and the fight were he started to adapt his style was 'After his rematch with Ken Norton'. Tyson Fury weighed in at 273 pounds vs Wilder II 'And many people regard that fight, as one of his peak performances'. Tyson Fury weighed in at 277 pounds fully clothed vs Francis Ngannou 'That was the exact same weight, which he weighed vs Deontay Wilder III'. But for some reason? There has been a narrative since the Ngannou fight 'That Fury was not in condition'. In a complete panic, Fury and his team have gone into complete overdrive. Which I have cautioned, personally I don't think this is the best way for Fury to prepare vs Usyk'. This is just what I am sensing from my observations and the interviews I have seen 'It does appear that Fury has altered his training concepts for this fight. Fury and his team have reacted in a panic, and gone into complete overdrive'. Historically whenever fighters who share similar traits with Fury have behaved this way 'It has negatively effected their performances most of the time'. Note: So there is a possibility that the version of Tyson Fury who turns up for this fight vs Oleksandr Uysk ? Aspects of his game may be decreased. Not due to lack of effort, but because tactically him and his team may have prepared sub-optimally for this fight. This could lead to Tyson Fury being hurt by a level of power, which other versions of himself would of shown a higher level of invulnerability. Oleksandr Usyk's power punching solid, but nothing which should terrify Tyson Fury 'But Uysk is a fighter who has supreme punching technique. And his punches have great speed, and technical accuracy'. Uysk is a all round great athlete, classically styled physique Heavyweight 'Those fighters from my observations, have the ability to produce punches that can inflict underrated damage'. This is because Uysk has fought at Cruiserweight, and has most likely fought superior fighters skill for skill than Tyson Fury 'Uysk has had to master the physics of violence to a more intricate level than Fury'. I have stated this before? Tyson Fury skill for skill, is not the best fighter Oleksandr Uysk has ever fought 'All of Uysk's experience at amateur level and then within the Cruiserweight Division, he has most likely fought superior fighters to Tyson Fury skill for skill'. I would not disregard the potentiality that Oleksandr Uysk can hurt Tyson Fury 'Especially if Fury has tactically prepare sub-optimally for this fight'. When this fight was first announced, I have always stated that this fight 'Will be won or lost in training camp for Tyson Fury'. Other people may have different opinions and perceptions, but for me personally 'From what I am sensing, I don't like how Fury is preparing for this fight'. Tyson Fury was 277 pound vs Francis Ngannou 'Fury was already in fight condition 5 months ago. That is most likely a unprecedented or rare situation for Fury before a Championship fight'. I believe Tyson Fury in the aftermath of his performance vs Francis Ngannou 'Should of just endured back to back training camps, with no real dramatic altercations. This would refined and solidified his then conditioning, and reduce the possibility of him overtraining'. Those tactics, I believe would of been the most wise and experienced way to prepare for this fight etc.

Usyk can knock Fury out but he'll only attempt it if he gains a big upper hand. His game plan is always do exhaust his opponents and weaken them. So, anyone saying that Usyk can't stop Fury because Wilder didn't, is not thinking clearly. Usyk uses a completely different methodology than Wilder and Usyk won't back off like Wilder did after Fury was knocked down and got up. Do you guys forget how Wilder was the one getting beat up on the ropes after the knockdown? Wilder is mentally much weaker than both Usyk and Fury and is a much lesser fighter. One punch is not the best way to stop Fury...work-rate and combinations can do it. Dragging him through an exhausting fight before a final bombardment can do the job. BUT, Usyk will just be focused on winning with whatever means are available to him. I doubt he's going to be looking for a KO.