Teo should be trying to fight guys in his division. haney came into his division now. He should be calling out Haney, Tank, Garcia ect tryign to get big fights with them. Instead for some reason he calls out Crawford who probably is moving up while Tank hasnt had a single fight at 147, there isnt any public demand for that fight.
Ring is also retarded, they are weight people's past resumes too much. it isn a rating of people in their prime, its a rating of people where they are currently. its obvious as all hell that spence has fallen off and beating ugas who is old wasnt a huge deal anyways, so he shoudl fall off, what else are they rating him on so highly? him beating porter 5 years ago?
Also arhtur and bivol should be ahead of canelo. lets be real if they were the same size they still beat canelo, canelo looked sloppy at his own weight with ryder and 40 year old GGG. Arthur and bivol have been dominating guys.
There is also always this reluctance to rate heavyweights highly at p4p list since they are big which is strange because everyeone they are fighting is big. in Usyk's case he gives up 20-30 pounds in the ring, that is 10+% of his body weight. I assume the ring is counting usyk over dubois as a win, ignoring what to me was a body shot KO loss, so if that is true he should be higher than crawford.
I can't believe he was actually in P4P rankings to begin with. His claim to fame is a win over Loma, which while deserved, had a ton more with Lomachenko. That dude threw 10 punches a round in the first 6, then woke up, beat the brakes off Teo, then stepped off the gas in the 12th. Not an impressive win by any means.
Besides that, Teo hasn't done anything. Got a gift vs. Ortiz, lost to Kambo, and a weirdly close fight vs Sandor. Oh, a good win vs. Commey.
But that is not a resume of a P4P fighter, and he sure as hell does not pass the eye test.
Ring is almost irrelevant these days. We need a Live channel (ProBoxTV, are you listening? )that posts their rankings WEEKLY and if not WEEKLY, give us MONTHLY. They discuss WHY they think the top 10 are in their respective rankings. Making justifiable cases. Only then would I care and agree/disagree. I mean, let's be real, P4P is opinion based anyway. There is no actual system to judge whose in what position other than probably majority agreement.
Meh, I don't know about that when we got guy's like Paulie that are super emotionally charged and biased.
Roman and innoue both beat top fighters, Tank didn't. Beating a bunch of nobodies for interim belts shouldn't be praised but yet here we are. Tank has that built in American advantage. Like you said innoue and roman were relatively unknown even though they had great resumes while Tank is a big star without a resume.
What great resume did Inoue have in 2019? Sorry? His resume was no better than Tank's is right now.
Ring is almost irrelevant these days. We need a Live channel (ProBoxTV, are you listening? )that posts their rankings WEEKLY and if not WEEKLY, give us MONTHLY. They discuss WHY they think the top 10 are in their respective rankings. Making justifiable cases. Only then would I care and agree/disagree. I mean, let's be real, P4P is opinion based anyway. There is no actual system to judge whose in what position other than probably majority agreement.
Heh, I know the term Eurobum likes to get thrown around a lot cuz of the west but people have to understand that the UK styles are totally different than the Eurasian styles and the former Soviet states counterparts.
Beterbiev is a beast and a top 10 p4p without a doubt.
I agree with all you said
Exactly
But when you let hatred blind you...................
According to Regina he’s a eurobum or some other chit like that cause he’s been dropped
But when I mention that even the goat ( Ali ) was dropped he goes MIA
Then again he calls boxers bums and clowns so what does that say about him
Heh, I know the term Eurobum likes to get thrown around a lot cuz of the west but people have to understand that the UK styles are totally different than the Eurasian styles and the former Soviet states counterparts.
Beterbiev is a beast and a top 10 p4p without a doubt.
Spence beat Porter, Brook, Garcia, Ugas at 147 and only lost to the P4P #1.
Tank's resume isn't great, but he's a 4 weight champion undefeated. Chocalitito was on the list when he was virtually unknown but was a 4/5 weight champ, same with Inoue from around 2019 onwards.
Benavidez should be above Tank though. Canelo shouldn't be so high whatsoever.
Roman and innoue both beat top fighters, Tank didn't. Beating a bunch of nobodies for interim belts shouldn't be praised but yet here we are. Tank has that built in American advantage. Like you said innoue and roman were relatively unknown even though they had great resumes while Tank is a big star without a resume.
You're not a champion on paper with a higher champion in the same division with the same sanctioning organization. Are you trying to say that the WBA regular belt is on the same level as the Ring belt? The point is not even a source like Wikipedia recognizes Tank as a 3 division champ. Any of the more reputable sources certainly won't, because the WBA (regular) isn't a real world champion. It's not recognized as such by the other sanctioning organizations either. Up until he got upgraded by email to 135 Super, his accomplishments in other divisions were only the secondary belt, and there was a Super champion active both times. Might as well say that the winner of an IBF title eliminator is a world champion.
What about WBC Silver International Continental Interim Super Champion, are those real world titles too because I think I got one of those in my cereal box one time ?
Well to be fair to Beterbiev, he should have been on the p4p a while back after he beat the man who beat the man (Gvozdyk who defeated Adonis Stevenson) and collected 3 of the 4 major titles.
Exactly
But when you let hatred blind you...................
According to Regina he’s a eurobum or some other chit like that cause he’s been dropped
But when I mention that even the goat ( Ali ) was dropped he goes MIA
Then again he calls boxers bums and clowns so what does that say about him
You're not a champion on paper with a higher champion in the same division with the same sanctioning organization. Are you trying to say that the WBA regular belt is on the same level as the Ring belt? The point is not even a source like Wikipedia recognizes Tank as a 3 division champ. Any of the more reputable sources certainly won't, because the WBA (regular) isn't a real world champion. It's not recognized as such by the other sanctioning organizations either. Up until he got upgraded by email to 135 Super, his accomplishments in other divisions were only the secondary belt, and there was a Super champion active both times. Might as well say that the winner of an IBF title eliminator is a world champion.
If you hold the IBO and you're considered a world champion, then you're definitely considered the same even if it's a WBA regular. I don't agree with this, I'm just stating. Chris Eubanks, Manny Pacquiao off the top of head have been considered 'world' champions on paper even thought there's nothing legitimate about the IBO. Boxing is very confusing and a joke at times, don't shoot the messenger.
p4p lists are dumb but having tank on a p4p list is laughable. 3 top 10 wins in 7 years, 2 if you dont count rehydration fights, and 0 top 5 wins. usually there is a reason people are put on the list but i cant find one for tank. resume is garbage, and even his performances aren't especially great. the cruz fight was dead even, barrios was even until the late ko, struggled against a nobody named fonseca, mediocre against tiny santa cruz. dont get it. also his reluctance to fight anyone good should be taken into account.
The Ring is biased AF when Spence gets beaten to a pulp they leave him on yet Teo wins a decision In a close fight and he's gone smh
And to make it worse they put Beterbiev on there for beating a smaller guy who had already been beat by Canelo....a smaller fighter. Lol
un****inbelievable!!!
Well to be fair to Beterbiev, he should have been on the p4p a while back after he beat the man who beat the man (Gvozdyk who defeated Adonis Stevenson) and collected 3 of the 4 major titles.
Trust me, I couldn't give a flying hell about Tank. You're right he's not a 4 division champ, he's a 3 division champ - so that's my mistake. Wikipedia isn't a great source. They have Broner listed as a 4 weight champion when he only won a regular belt at 147. So I wouldn't pay much attention to that. Tank's definitely a 3 weight champion though on paper. A legitimate 3 weight champion? No. just like Pacquiao isn't a legitimate 8 weight world champion BUT on paper he is.
You're not a champion on paper with a higher champion in the same division with the same sanctioning organization. Are you trying to say that the WBA regular belt is on the same level as the Ring belt? The point is not even a source like Wikipedia recognizes Tank as a 3 division champ. Any of the more reputable sources certainly won't, because the WBA (regular) isn't a real world champion. It's not recognized as such by the other sanctioning organizations either. Up until he got upgraded by email to 135 Super, his accomplishments in other divisions were only the secondary belt, and there was a Super champion active both times. Might as well say that the winner of an IBF title eliminator is a world champion.
Teo should still be in it better resume then most. How tf is Spence still here after 2 fights in over 3 years and one of those was an L and getting beat up
As bad as the fight was Teo was given the decision, its a statement move to be removed after winning while no others in P4P ratings fought, I don't know who replaced him but did he fight and win impressively that weekend .
I think they make up the ethics as they go along.
No, it isn't on record. Not even Wikipedia recognizes him as a 4 weight champion.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_boxing_quadruple_champions
Nor is he recognized as a triple champion:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_boxing_triple_champions
And he's only ever won titles of any kind at 130, 135, and 140... Stop making things up.
He apparently got elevated by email to super champ at 135, so now he's a 2 division email champ at least. But history doesn't recognize him as a 3 division champ because the WBA regular belt is barely more than a mandatory that's unrecognized by the other sanctioning organizations, and Josh Taylor was undisputed when he beat Barrios, who was never the champ at 140.
Stop spreading the fake narrative.
Trust me, I couldn't give a flying hell about Tank. You're right he's not a 4 division champ, he's a 3 division champ - so that's my mistake. Wikipedia isn't a great source. They have Broner listed as a 4 weight champion when he only won a regular belt at 147. So I wouldn't pay much attention to that. Tank's definitely a 3 weight champion though on paper. A legitimate 3 weight champion? No. just like Pacquiao isn't a legitimate 8 weight world champion BUT on paper he is.
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