Joshua and Parker are the most proven heavyweights right now

Joshua cant handle losing. He quit in his corner against Ruiz and melted down like a kid whose candy had been taken off him when Usyk schooled him for the second time. Even if he becomes 3 time trash belt holder it wont take away from his 3 losses. The facts are ; Joshua got beat up in a cherry pick against Ruiz. Ran from him in the rematch to pitty pat his way to regaining the titles and got given an absolute masterclass lesson in boxing by Usyk, twice. Since then he's crushed 2 cans and his sparring partner. Ducked Parker, ducked Zhang, ducked Hrgovic and even ducked Wilder. Joshua has the heart of a worrier not a warrior and i believe Ngannou will prove it. The guy is a insecure fragile diva who thinks he deserves to be a champion just cos. Fury v Usyk is the fight for undisputed, undefeated, unified. A feat not achieved in a generation. If the winner decides to retire with that honour and trash the belts to forego any rematch it would still not take away from the massive achievement nor taint their legacy. The only thing Joshua has proven is that he couldnt do it. He had the opportunity before Ruiz and bottled it. That is Joshuas legacy!...and you can tell it stings. Every word uttered and every uncomfortable interview bears witness to his failures, not his successes.

Fury, Joshua, and Parker. I don't know what crack these fools smoke to say things like "Usyk beat Joshua twice so he's proven" You know anyone who only has a record of 5-0? Unproven, mother ****er. We've seen him do well against three styles. Proven, solid, great HW :rolleyes: I'm favoring Usyk against Fury and all, but let's be real, anyone doing that is going out on a limb for the relatively unknown HW against the well known and well proven HW we've seen fight and adapt to all sorts of HW styles. Usyk needs more HW fights to be proven. Had Franny beaten Tyson, guess what, he'd still be fairly well unknown and unproven. A good win proves you beat that one good fighter ... ffs. Dr. Z Sometimes you're just a ****ing moron. This isn't a difference of opinion, ain't no fact gonna save you, you're a ****ing moron. 5 fights = Proven doe :dunce: Moron. Oh the irony!

I respect you, your ideas and this long, detailed accounting of how you personally perceive the heavyweights of today. Putting the screws to Deontay Wilder after a tepid, non-action loss to the perennial contender Joseph Parker is, I suppose, as easy to do as taking a swipe at Joshua was after he was blasted out by Andy Ruiz, or twice out hustled by weight climbing Usyk. I respect them all, and believe truly that none are anything less than amazing for earning their top spot, and; that none are unbeatable either. The True champion question gets settled in May, when either Fury makes one of his 3 most important title defences, or Usyk becomes the new real champion in the history books. Joshua's standing in this era, very soon either becomes validated along the lines that envelop your hypothesis; or his legacy turns to ashes, should he fail to absolutely obliterate Francis Ngannou inside the distance. Things have a way of working out in boxing. Cheers, thanks. The losses of Joshua's career, from my perspective 'Prove that he has been more thoroughly tested than Tyson Fury'. We don't know how Tyson Fury would reacted to being beaten? Would he call for a immediate rematch, would he turn up for the rematch and win? But with Anthony Joshua 'We all know, if he is beaten. The historically he has no issue with wanting to get some get back'. Joshua avenged his loss to Ruiz Junior II easy 12-0, and he produce a commendable effort vs Uysk II. Note: But I do agree? Anthony Joshua in his next fight, he has to conclusively beat Francis Ngannou 'Whether that is a knock-out, or 12 round systematic beat down it has to be a conclusive win'. In order to keep him in this competition 'To see who will be the last man standing from this era'. The demand, the story and the public pressure 'Will just be too much for Tyson Fury to get away from, even if he beats Oleksandr Uysk'. Anthony Joshua has lost fights, but lets get this right? Nobody has beaten Joshua out of the Heavyweight Division 'Joshua has never suffered a lost, were people are demanding for him to retire because it was that severe'. Tyson Fury is the number 1 Heavyweight just about still, but both Uysk and Joshua do seem to be closing in on him 'They both have the momentum in this battle to see who will be the last man standing of this era'. Tyson Fury created this competition dynamic, when he sabotaged two fights with Uysk and Joshua 'Fury really should of already fought and beaten Joshua and Uysk'. If Fury would of fought Joshua in December 2023 'Fury has solid momentum in his career back then, there was more certainty with his form'. And Uysk in early 2023 was less experienced at Heavyweight, compared to now. Fury sabotaged a fight with Joshua after his second lost to Usyk, and he also sabotaged the Uysk fight which was scheduled for April 29th 2023. Soon as this competition at Heavyweight, developed into a drawn out battle 'It was always theoretically going to move back towards both Oleksandr Uysk and Anthony Joshua' I also initially thought that Wilder would gain traction in this sort of dynamic, but Wilder of course has suffered a catastrophic hit of late. Because that type of competition puts a major emphasis on a fighters long game 'And both Uysk and Joshua have a near psychopathic work ethic'. I use to compare Joshua to batman 'If you give Joshua space and create a environment where he can prepare, then he will leave no stone unturned. Joshua traits as a athlete, are that he is analytical and obsessive'. Tyson Fury made a tactical mistake, in not fighting Joshua in 2022 'At Joshua's then most perceived vulnerable state, in the aftermath of his loss to Uysk II'. And the of course similar antics, and games from Fury prevented the Uysk fight for April 29th 2023 from taking place. Since those two tactical mistakes from Fury 'I almost immediately theorized that the competitive could move back towards Oleksandr Uysk and Anthony Joshua'. But I will say this? We have seen Tyson Fury get up off the deck from effectively being knocked out by Deontay Wilder in their first fight 'Tyson Fury has fought and dealt with trails and tribulations in his life, and still came back to become the WBC Heavyweight Champion of the World'. The competition dynamic may not be in my opinion 'Suited to Fury's traits as a athlete. But he is still the WBC World Heavyweight Champion, and still has the ability to get up off the deck and find a way to survive'. Nobody can really 100%, dismiss Tyson Fury etc.

boxing fans must give aj his credit

Tyson Fury is rated as the number 1 Heavyweight in the world, mainly due to his two mega wins vs Kiltschko and Wilder 'But apart from those wins, Fury is a inexperienced Heavyweight at World and Elite level'. Anthony Joshua is the most thoroughly tested and proven fighter in the Heavyweight Division. Joshua has fought and beaten the most top level Heavyweights, out of all current active Heavyweights. Joshua has been competitive in every single fight, he has ever fought in 'On his worst night vs Ruiz Junior I, he was competitive. And during both fights with Oleksandr Uysk'. Anthony Joshua's level as a fighter is no mystery 'Joshua has been a proven World to a Elite level Heavyweight since beating Wladimir Kiltschko in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years' Joshua beat the version of Kiltschko, who Fury should of fought in their scheduled rematch 'But Fury did not turn up to fight that battle, due to pulling out of that fight twice unfortunately due to his circumstance'. Note: Both Anthony Joshua and Oleksandr Usyk skill for skill, throughout their careers have been more thoroughly tested fighters than Tyson Fury. Fury vs Uysk is projected for May 18th 'Tyson Fury skill for skill, is not the best fighters Uysk has fought. This is what people need to understand, Uysk has fought better fighters than Fury at Cruiserweight, and there is also evidence that he has also already fought and beaten a better Heavyweight in Anthony Joshua twice'. Nobody can sit here and tell me, that Fury is a superior combination puncher than Joshua. Nobody can claim that Fury has more punching power than Joshua, and Fury definitely is clearly not as fundamentally sound and technically correct as Joshua 'Joshua for me is definitely for sure, a superior fighter to Fury in certain area's of his game'. Tyson Fury is also superior to Anthony Joshua in certain aspects of his game, that statement can be applied to both fighters. Note: Overall Anthony Joshua is definitely for sure the most tested Heavyweight, and on current form I would say? That Oleksandr Uysk has been fighting at the highest level 'Usyk has been winning fights, were he has been stylistically challenged'. One of the last real version of a Derek Chisora who trained to win, Anthony Joshua twice back to back and then Daniel Dubois 'All of those fighters have the attributes which stylistically challenge Oleksandr Uysk. Power, brute strength, agression, the ability to throw punch combinations, and rough house tactics in Chisora's case. Tyson Fury if you really check his career, the last time he was stylistically in a challenging fight was vs Wladimir KIltschko 'That was the last time he was in a fight, were his opponent had elite level boxing skills, combined with power'. Tyson Fury won 1 fight with Kiltschko, then did not turn up for the battle in the second fight unfortunately due to his circumstance. Since that fight? Tyson Fury really has fought opponents who stylistically have not challenged him 'The Deontay Wilder tribology, really should not of been such a mighty struggle for Tyson Fury'. Everyone who is honest knows Fury chose to fight Wilder over Joshua 'Because Wilder at that time, was deemed to be stylistically the easier fight'. Both Fury and Wilder fought each other, because they believed the match up was stylistically a easier fight for them both compared to Anthony Joshua. Deontay Wilder really should of been a straight forward fight for Tyson Fury 'But it was not. There is evidence that the trauma of the tribology has damaged Tyson Fury'. If Deontay Wilder did not have his punching power 'Skill for skill, Wilder's pure boxing skills are around domestic to European level'. Tyson Fury on average out weighed Deontay Wilder by 40 + pounds in every single fight 'So not only was Wilder skill for skill, not on Fury's level. Fury was also out weighing Wilder by a considerable amount'. Still in that type of stylistic match up Tyson Fury was pushed to his limits and beyond 'Fury did not win the first fight, it was correctly given as a draw. I know the statistics of the fight, and there is no way that Tyson Fury won that fight, if any fighter should of been given the win? That fighter was Deontay Wilder'. Then we have the second fight 'Great performance and win in terms of historical magnitude for Tyson Fury. But really in my opinion, the fight should not of been stopped 'You don't pull a fighter like Deontay Wilder, out of a Championship fight when? He is still fighting back, and trying to win. No matter how futile his efforts may have seemed, the man was still trying to win'. I understand why the fight was stopped, from a compassionate perspective but really? This is World Championship boxing,if a fighter is going to put it all on the line 'And leave it all in the ring, it is during a World Championship fight'. The third Deontay Wilder fight was a great event, awesome passion and competition between the fighters 'But skill for skill, it was not a high level fight'. Both fighters from round 2 to 3 onwards, were technically all over the place'. If Wilder was a more technically correct fighter in terms of having more variation with punchers 'For me he really should of beaten Tyson Fury'. Fury in that fight was making unforced errors, like a domestic level fighter. It is still a great win for Tyson Fury, but it actual action 'For me was not really on the level of Oleksandr Uysk vs Anthony Joshua I & II'. I personally enjoyed the Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury trilogy more than any other boxing event in this entire era 'But I understand that the actual highest level boxing match skill for skill that has taken place in this Heavyweight era has been: Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II'. Those two fights between Joshua and Uysk displayed the highest level of Heavyweight boxing action skill for skill of this era 'The second fight, is the fight which overall is the highest level Heavyweight boxing match of this era'. Skill for skill between both fighters, they fought a great fight 'Joshua actually in retrospect, there was nothing wrong with his game plan. Joshua quite simply just was beaten by the better fighter on that night' etc. ​ I respect you, your ideas and this long, detailed accounting of how you personally perceive the heavyweights of today. Putting the screws to Deontay Wilder after a tepid, non-action loss to the perennial contender Joseph Parker is, I suppose, as easy to do as taking a swipe at Joshua was after he was blasted out by Andy Ruiz, or twice out hustled by weight climbing Usyk. I respect them all, and believe truly that none are anything less than amazing for earning their top spot, and; that none are unbeatable either. The True champion question gets settled in May, when either Fury makes one of his 3 most important title defences, or Usyk becomes the new real champion in the history books. Joshua's standing in this era, very soon either becomes validated along the lines that envelop your hypothesis; or his legacy turns to ashes, should he fail to absolutely obliterate Francis Ngannou inside the distance. Things have a way of working out in boxing.

This is the problem with modern fans "well he must be great because he's better than the rest of the trash that's currently around" The BEST Usyk can hope for is to be the best, of the worst era ever. And even that's hardly been 100% confirmed has it. Usyk is very proven as an amateur. He won gold at the Oylmpics. His final amateur record was 335 -15! He was an all time top three cruiser weight as a pro. Now at heavyweight his is fairly proven and if he beats Fury there shall be no question in that topic. He will be the best of his time. Until that fight happens, can you find me 5 more proven men a at heavyweight in the their last five fights? I don't think you will even reply to that question.

Proven? In this division? That would be like an adult writing a kids go kart and doing well and someone saying wow! It's just a worthless comparison. Nobody is that good That's the whole point it's a weak division.

He punched him on the belt. Usyk's belt was coveing his belly button it was so damn high. THe ref and WBA made a bad call. The WBA is inherently biased as they are paid by percentage of purses and Usyk-Fury makes them more money than Dubois-Usyk rematch. Punches on the belt are only legal if the ref says they are, and he didn't. The top of Usyk's belt was level with his navel and he was hit 4 inches below the top of his belt. It was a clear low blow. The best man won, as proven by what happened afterwards. Usyk dominated and ko'd Dubois.

Usyk didn't get stopped, Dubois did. The punch that dropped Usyk was not legal because it was called low by the ref and the ref's call was upheld by the WBA on appeal. He punched him on the belt. Usyk's belt was coveing his belly button it was so damn high. THe ref and WBA made a bad call. The WBA is inherently biased as they are paid by percentage of purses and Usyk-Fury makes them more money than Dubois-Usyk rematch.

The guy fought himself, and won!!!...lol But apart from that. He was in all likelihood juiced to the gills. Its no wonder he could go on all day baby! all of them are juiced to the gills and in the 90s they didnt even have ANY drug testing and for like the first 15+ years of boxing PED testing it was only fight night which means you could cycle the entire training camp.

Have you seen the amount of ****ing top fighters holyfield fought and beat, the man fought Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Moore, Mercer, Ruiz, Valuev, Holmes, Doakes, Cooper, Douglas, Thomas, Quawi I could go on all day baby. The guy fought himself, and won!!!...lol But apart from that. He was in all likelihood juiced to the gills. Its no wonder he could go on all day baby!

Usky is proven as an amateur, a cruiser weight and as a heavyweight. Focus on the quality of opponents beaten, not the quality of them at heavyweight. Name me 5 active heavyweights with better wins in the last 5 years. Go on, I'll be waiting.... https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/659772​ This is the problem with modern fans "well he must be great because he's better than the rest of the trash that's currently around" The BEST Usyk can hope for is to be the best, of the worst era ever. And even that's hardly been 100% confirmed has it.

Usyk isn't proven at heavyweight at all, he has 2 good wins against AJ but no other relevant wins, he's shown he can beat one style at heavyweight, AJ's style. well AJ had 24 rounds to prove himself against Usyk and he couldnt, he lost to a cruiserweight so I dont rank him very high

Usyk got stopped by a legal body shot by Dubios, he should have given him a rematch instead of continuing on. Now there is an asterisk next to his champion status. There would not be if he gave a rematch. Usyk didn't get stopped, Dubois did. The punch that dropped Usyk was not legal because it was called low by the ref and the ref's call was upheld by the WBA on appeal.

Clearly you can see the AJ nuthuggers especially who enjoys writing novels about him Gtfoh

Tyson Fury is rated as the number 1 Heavyweight in the world, mainly due to his two mega wins vs Kiltschko and Wilder 'But apart from those wins, Fury is a inexperienced Heavyweight at World and Elite level'. Anthony Joshua is the most thoroughly tested and proven fighter in the Heavyweight Division. Joshua has fought and beaten the most top level Heavyweights, out of all current active Heavyweights. Joshua has been competitive in every single fight, he has ever fought in 'On his worst night vs Ruiz Junior I, he was competitive. And during both fights with Oleksandr Uysk'. Anthony Joshua's level as a fighter is no mystery 'Joshua has been a proven World to a Elite level Heavyweight since beating Wladimir Kiltschko in the greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years' Joshua beat the version of Kiltschko, who Fury should of fought in their scheduled rematch 'But Fury did not turn up to fight that battle, due to pulling out of that fight twice unfortunately due to his circumstance'. Note: Both Anthony Joshua and Oleksandr Usyk skill for skill, throughout their careers have been more thoroughly tested fighters than Tyson Fury. Fury vs Uysk is projected for May 18th 'Tyson Fury skill for skill, is not the best fighters Uysk has fought. This is what people need to understand, Uysk has fought better fighters than Fury at Cruiserweight, and there is also evidence that he has also already fought and beaten a better Heavyweight in Anthony Joshua twice'. Nobody can sit here and tell me, that Fury is a superior combination puncher than Joshua. Nobody can claim that Fury has more punching power than Joshua, and Fury definitely is clearly not as fundamentally sound and technically correct as Joshua 'Joshua for me is definitely for sure, a superior fighter to Fury in certain area's of his game'. Tyson Fury is also superior to Anthony Joshua in certain aspects of his game, that statement can be applied to both fighters. Note: Overall Anthony Joshua is definitely for sure the most tested Heavyweight, and on current form I would say? That Oleksandr Uysk has been fighting at the highest level 'Usyk has been winning fights, were he has been stylistically challenged'. One of the last real version of a Derek Chisora who trained to win, Anthony Joshua twice back to back and then Daniel Dubois 'All of those fighters have the attributes which stylistically challenge Oleksandr Uysk. Power, brute strength, agression, the ability to throw punch combinations, and rough house tactics in Chisora's case. Tyson Fury if you really check his career, the last time he was stylistically in a challenging fight was vs Wladimir KIltschko 'That was the last time he was in a fight, were his opponent had elite level boxing skills, combined with power'. Tyson Fury won 1 fight with Kiltschko, then did not turn up for the battle in the second fight unfortunately due to his circumstance. Since that fight? Tyson Fury really has fought opponents who stylistically have not challenged him 'The Deontay Wilder tribology, really should not of been such a mighty struggle for Tyson Fury'. Everyone who is honest knows Fury chose to fight Wilder over Joshua 'Because Wilder at that time, was deemed to be stylistically the easier fight'. Both Fury and Wilder fought each other, because they believed the match up was stylistically a easier fight for them both compared to Anthony Joshua. Deontay Wilder really should of been a straight forward fight for Tyson Fury 'But it was not. There is evidence that the trauma of the tribology has damaged Tyson Fury'. If Deontay Wilder did not have his punching power 'Skill for skill, Wilder's pure boxing skills are around domestic to European level'. Tyson Fury on average out weighed Deontay Wilder by 40 + pounds in every single fight 'So not only was Wilder skill for skill, not on Fury's level. Fury was also out weighing Wilder by a considerable amount'. Still in that type of stylistic match up Tyson Fury was pushed to his limits and beyond 'Fury did not win the first fight, it was correctly given as a draw. I know the statistics of the fight, and there is no way that Tyson Fury won that fight, if any fighter should of been given the win? That fighter was Deontay Wilder'. Then we have the second fight 'Great performance and win in terms of historical magnitude for Tyson Fury. But really in my opinion, the fight should not of been stopped 'You don't pull a fighter like Deontay Wilder, out of a Championship fight when? He is still fighting back, and trying to win. No matter how futile his efforts may have seemed, the man was still trying to win'. I understand why the fight was stopped, from a compassionate perspective but really? This is World Championship boxing,if a fighter is going to put it all on the line 'And leave it all in the ring, it is during a World Championship fight'. The third Deontay Wilder fight was a great event, awesome passion and competition between the fighters 'But skill for skill, it was not a high level fight'. Both fighters from round 2 to 3 onwards, were technically all over the place'. If Wilder was a more technically correct fighter in terms of having more variation with punchers 'For me he really should of beaten Tyson Fury'. Fury in that fight was making unforced errors, like a domestic level fighter. It is still a great win for Tyson Fury, but it actual action 'For me was not really on the level of Oleksandr Uysk vs Anthony Joshua I & II'. I personally enjoyed the Deontay Wilder vs Tyson Fury trilogy more than any other boxing event in this entire era 'But I understand that the actual highest level boxing match skill for skill that has taken place in this Heavyweight era has been: Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II'. Those two fights between Joshua and Uysk displayed the highest level of Heavyweight boxing action skill for skill of this era 'The second fight, is the fight which overall is the highest level Heavyweight boxing match of this era'. Skill for skill between both fighters, they fought a great fight 'Joshua actually in retrospect, there was nothing wrong with his game plan. Joshua quite simply just was beaten by the better fighter on that night' etc. ​

Usyk isn't proven at heavyweight at all, he has 2 good wins against AJ but no other relevant wins, he's shown he can beat one style at heavyweight, AJ's style. Usky is proven as an amateur, a cruiser weight and as a heavyweight. Focus on the quality of opponents beaten, not the quality of them at heavyweight. Name me 5 active heavyweights with better wins in the last 5 years. Go on, I'll be waiting.... https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/659772​

I respect that they've both fought a relatively decent amount of top names (so has Dillian Shyte tbf) but the main thing thats been proven is that they're not the top 2 HWs. I do favour Parker to get the UD over Zhang though.

The fook?!?!? Beating a top 3 guy at HW doesn't prove you at HW? Wtf do you gotta do to be proven at HW? Beat a top 3 guy & fook his gf & mom in front of him. Beat at least a handful of top fighters. Are we really at the point where that's too much to ask for a guy to prove themselves. People are already trying to say Usyk has almost surpassed Holyfield as a cruiser who went up to heavyweight. Have you seen the amount of fucking top fighters holyfield fought and beat, the man fought Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Lewis, Moore, Mercer, Ruiz, Valuev, Holmes, Doakes, Cooper, Douglas, Thomas, Quawi I could go on all day baby. And people want to talk about Usyk in the same vein for beating Bredis, Gassiev, Bellew, AJ And Chisora The standards for these modern guys are fucking dirt low man. Holyfield, if he retired BEFORE HIS FIRST LOSS, had wins over Quawi, Holmes, Foreman, Douglas and Cooper That's a better resume than Usyk BEFORE HIS FIRST LOSS That's without the Bowe and Tyson wins which obliterate anything Usyk had, and a bunch of other wins that are equal to any win Usyk has. This is what I mean by PROVING yourself. All Usyk has proven is he's a decent fighter, nothing more, there ain't no "greatness" to see here, not historically.

Well Usyk beat Joshua ... TWICE. IMO, he is the most proven. Nobody who was semi awake in the Joshua vs. Parker fight years ago want to see them go at it again. Usyk isn't proven at heavyweight at all, he has 2 good wins against AJ but no other relevant wins, he's shown he can beat one style at heavyweight, AJ's style.