Did Ward duck Bivol & Berbetiev?

That's a cheap way out. ANY fight can be made if the principles want it bad enough. Those names never crossed Ward's lips, because he wanted nothing to do with either man. Oh please, both promotional companies relationship were much worse than it was now - fight was never happening.. Stevenson got away not fighting mandatories for nearly 5 years & fighting soft touch after soft touch, he was a certified cherrypicker.

Ward had been out for a couple years due to surgery. He had a torn rotator cuff. That's why he came up to light heavy, so he was fading. He knew it. But that's not why I have Bivol and Beterbiev beating Ward. Ward needs to fight in that mid-range zone. He's a mid-range to inside fighter. Bivol's footwork might be the best in the sport. He'd never let Ward get to where he needed. Plus, Ward would have faded. With Beterbiev, Ward would have been mauled by Beterbiev. Beterbiev's mid to inside game is superior to Ward's Ward was a super-middle guy who moved up while Beterbiev is a natural light heavy. Kovalev can't fight in that mid to inside range. It would have been a mauling by Beterbiev or a clear points victory by Bivol. Actually everyone back then thought he was ducking Bivol. He did an interview of Bivol for HBO and brought up the issue of ducking, so that was a topic that went back all the way to then. Ward wasn't just away due to injuries. He was also embroiled in a nasty lawsuit with his manager, Dan Gussen, who was dying of cancer.

Gvozdyk & Stevenson were both PBC fighters, so that’s a waste of time even discussing. That's a cheap way out. ANY fight can be made if the principles want it bad enough. Those names never crossed Ward's lips, because he wanted nothing to do with either man.

That 5 punch combo was way lower than the shot that dropped Usyk. It makes a world of difference whose side the ref is on. No sh*t.. Kovalev kept bending down because he was sheet-scared of body shots throughout the fight, his own fault really.

You gonna show the legitimate body shots that Kovalev tried to pass off (cheat) and claim were low? A crisp Ward body shot literally left him hurled on the ropes a couple rounds before and he tried to fake it was low. He just wanted a way out of the fight. Dude didn’t complain to the ref not once after the fight was over LOL That 5 punch combo was way lower than the shot that dropped Usyk. It makes a world of difference whose side the ref is on.

I've never understood why some people call "telling the truth" "whining." Very very strange .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLxlV5C4KHY Give some examples of some other fights where an entire fight is stopped with ONE BODY BLOW. No 10 count? Really? Tell me one other fight where it was immediately stopped after someone landed a body shot. I'll wait ..... :lol1::lol1::lol1: (And I'm not exactly a big fan of either fighter.) Maybe you'll enjoy taking a trip down memory lane by watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU_ZZsYyYmg You gonna show the legitimate body shots that Kovalev tried to pass off (cheat) and claim were low? A crisp Ward body shot literally left him hurled on the ropes a couple rounds before and he tried to fake it was low. He just wanted a way out of the fight. Dude didn’t complain to the ref not once after the fight was over LOL

Kovalev aside, you still haven't addressed the issue of Gvozdyk and Stevenson. I said they were the other boogiemen of the division, and Ward wanted nothing to do with them. Gvozdyk & Stevenson were both PBC fighters, so that’s a waste of time even discussing.

Ward was a slight favorite going into the first fight. https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/sergey-kovalev-andre-ward-fight-records-betting-odds-best-prop-bets/ By the thinnest margin!

Sure, Golovkin retiring at 42 is the same thing as Ward retiring at 33. Retiring? He’s still active, which should be worse to you.. if you hold the same consistency that is

They hated when Golovkin was defending his belts against "unknowns" but the second he stopped doing that, suddenly he's ducking. who cares about GGG, Ward was the far bigger guy, he should be chasing guys his size and age. Ward should go fight beterbiev if he is so great. Ward talking about how he would beat an older middleweight in GGG is cringe

ward is so annoying I dont get how this guy is such a huge narcisist. He had every chance to be great after super six and instead weight drained dawson, fought bums for 4 years, literally, and then gets refs and judges on his side in his two flops with kovalev. both them "wins" got asterisks. Now he still talks chit. cant stand the attention Canelo is getting. Ward is the one that retired early and avoided more fights, there were PLENTY of fights to be made for him. He talks about all these guys were avoid him IF he was active, dude you are the exact same age and weight as Beterbiev, go fight Beterbiev who has more wear and tear than you from being active all this time. Beterbiev would blast him into another dimension. It just gets old, all his should of could of would of talk when he retired in his early 30s coming off two bogus wins.

Sure, Golovkin retiring at 42 is the same thing as Ward retiring at 33. They hated when Golovkin was defending his belts against "unknowns" but the second he stopped doing that, suddenly he's ducking.

Ward was a slight favorite going into the first fight. https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/sergey-kovalev-andre-ward-fight-records-betting-odds-best-prop-bets/ - - Kov had Wart fans in tears the first fight. Wart had Ref Weeks in his pocket and he punches in Kov protector the 2nd fight. Wart may have the best shoe collection next to Imelda Marcos though his pupil Plant is closing in fast.

He wasn’t a draw yet guy’s like Kovalev & Golovkin both wanted to fight him and constantly had over a million viewers most of the time on HBO. I don’t pay attention to ‘people’ that say it was a ‘duck’ - I’d rather listen to the boxing analysts, fighters & historians, rather than some guys sat on them armchair that are just salty Ward critics. Ward attempted to retire after the 1st Kovalev fight, aside from that.. hey I’m sure he ducked two virtually unknown guys that were getting paid 100k a fight! whatever suits your thin ‘argument’ LOL. I’m wondering if you hold the same consistency for a guy like Golovkin? Supposedly he ducked an unknown fighter like Falcao and vacated? Or ducked 41 year Erislandy Lara when he vacated the 2nd belt? :rolleyes: Sure, Golovkin retiring at 42 is the same thing as Ward retiring at 33.

It's kind of funny that you're the one whining and complaining and you say that I am. :lol1::lol1::lol1: I only brought up Tony Weeks and how his unscrupulous refereeing benefited Ward, and that's a fact. Everything I said are facts, but your couchie gets all tight and uptight, and you call it bitching and whining.:lol1::lol1: Whenever a fanboy starts calling simple statements of fact "bitching" and "whining," then I know I got him. It's really funny how many fanboys can't handle the truth. I'm telling you that I'm not a fan of Kovalev, but you keep saying that I am as if that somehow discredits what I'm saying. Ward did not beat Kovalev, not according to the rules of the sport. He lost and got a gift the first fight, and he didn't beat Koavalev in the second fight because Weeks prematurely stopped the fight to Ward's benefit. Those are simple facts. I provided you incontrovertible evidence, so this is why you resort to name calling. It's because I just bodied you in front of everyone. (By the way, I'm still waiting for you to show me a fight where a ref immediately stops a fight from a body blow without even doing a 10 count.) And just to remind you what I was talking about in the first place, Ward would have lost to Bivol and Beterbiev. Bivol and Beterbiev would have beat Kovalev (assuming they fought him after Ward had fought him). Ward was incapable of beating Kovalev without either corrupt judges or corrupt referees, so it's pretty clear that the obvious conclusion is that he would have lost to Bivol and Beterbiev. That's the point. It has nothing to do with Kovalev, at least not directly. Like I said, it's funny how a fanboy like yourself gets so emotional when he has to confront the truth about his favorite boxer. No you’re the one whining and complaining, writing essays about a fight that happened over 6 years ago. Let it go dude, it’s just straight up embarrassing.

‘Arguably declining Kovalev’ :lol1::lol1::lol1: Are we discussing Ward or Canelo, I’m extremely confused. Not once did anyone think, comment or believe the P4P #2 Kovalev was declining.. that’s revisionist history at best, so I’ll just laugh. Everyone thought Kov was going to obliterate Ward, before BOTH fights. Ward was a slight favorite going into the first fight. https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/sergey-kovalev-andre-ward-fight-records-betting-odds-best-prop-bets/

You really need to try and let things go man, it’s immature and frankly pathetic. You’re still crying about Loma-Haney, still crying about Ward-Kovalev I and II, probably still crying about Canelo-GGG too. Grow up man. It's kind of funny that you're the one whining and complaining and you say that I am. :lol1::lol1::lol1: I only brought up Tony Weeks and how his unscrupulous refereeing benefited Ward, and that's a fact. Everything I said are facts, but your couchie gets all tight and uptight, and you call it bitching and whining.:lol1::lol1: Whenever a fanboy starts calling simple statements of fact "bitching" and "whining," then I know I got him. It's really funny how many fanboys can't handle the truth. I'm telling you that I'm not a fan of Kovalev, but you keep saying that I am as if that somehow discredits what I'm saying. Ward did not beat Kovalev, not according to the rules of the sport. He lost and got a gift the first fight, and he didn't beat Koavalev in the second fight because Weeks prematurely stopped the fight to Ward's benefit. Those are simple facts. I provided you incontrovertible evidence, so this is why you resort to name calling. It's because I just bodied you in front of everyone. (By the way, I'm still waiting for you to show me a fight where a ref immediately stops a fight from a body blow without even doing a 10 count.) And just to remind you what I was talking about in the first place, Ward would have lost to Bivol and Beterbiev. Bivol and Beterbiev would have beat Kovalev (assuming they fought him after Ward had fought him). Ward was incapable of beating Kovalev without either corrupt judges or corrupt referees, so it's pretty clear that the obvious conclusion is that he would have lost to Bivol and Beterbiev. That's the point. It has nothing to do with Kovalev, at least not directly. Like I said, it's funny how a fanboy like yourself gets so emotional when he has to confront the truth about his favorite boxer.

First, Kovalev is not "my guy." I have much more in common with Ward than I do Kovalev. I actually like Ward more than Kovalev. Second, after this response, it's clear that Ward is your guy, and that given the opportunity, you'd bend over for him. I think that's now clear. Third, Ward has a "W" on his record, but you can tell that he doesn't believe he won because he loses his **** every time someone reminds him that people believe he lost to Kovalev. It's done a mind job on him, and you know who he has to blame? Tony Weeks for taking away a legitimate win from him, or what could have been a legitimate win. Actually, he can blame Tony Weeks and his manager, J. Prince, for writing that massive check that says "Pay To The Order Of Tony Weeks" with a Memo note that says "throwing fight." Tony Weeks is that guy you send in to stop a fight prematurely. That's his specialty. Because, of course, we all know that it's his tendency to stop a fight when someone is injured :lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1: {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\timages?q=tbn:ANd9GcSj-xl2H6e7NoxuILqL40W8rG0b2lL5fvRIjFXg76_ebl_z6HqhikJXi2gicHYZLJ87Vqg&usqp=CAU.jpg Views:\t0 Size:\t15.3 KB ID:\t32102647","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"32102647","data-size":"full","title":"images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSj-xl2H6e7NoxuILqL40W8rG0b2lL5fvRIjFXg76_ebl_z6HqhikJXi2gicHYZLJ87Vqg&usqp=CAU.jpg"} And last, the fact that you lack any integrity to call foul when a foul occurred, when a man is robbed, because it's more important to you to have glizzy lips from Ward's sausage. You should be ashamed of yourself. You really need to try and let things go man, it’s immature and frankly pathetic. You’re still crying about Loma-Haney, still crying about Ward-Kovalev I and II, probably still crying about Canelo-GGG too. Grow up man.

Ward won, officially, legitimately, whichever way you wanna spin it. Stop crying like a b**** , you do this whenever one of your guys lose. You need to let things go dude. First, Kovalev is not "my guy." I have much more in common with Ward than I do Kovalev. I actually like Ward more than Kovalev. Second, after this response, it's clear that Ward is your guy, and that given the opportunity, you'd bend over for him. I think that's now clear. Third, Ward has a "W" on his record, but you can tell that he doesn't believe he won because he loses his shit every time someone reminds him that people believe he lost to Kovalev. It's done a mind job on him, and you know who he has to blame? Tony Weeks for taking away a legitimate win from him, or what could have been a legitimate win. Actually, he can blame Tony Weeks and his manager, J. Prince, for writing that massive check that says "Pay To The Order Of Tony Weeks" with a Memo note that says "throwing fight." Tony Weeks is that guy you send in to stop a fight prematurely. That's his specialty. Because, of course, we all know that it's his tendency to stop a fight when someone is injured :lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1: {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\timages?q=tbn:ANd9GcSj-xl2H6e7NoxuILqL40W8rG0b2lL5fvRIjFXg76_ebl_z6HqhikJXi2gicHYZLJ87Vqg&usqp=CAU.jpg Views:\t0 Size:\t15.3 KB ID:\t32102647","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"32102647","data-size":"full","title":"images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSj-xl2H6e7NoxuILqL40W8rG0b2lL5fvRIjFXg76_ebl_z6HqhikJXi2gicHYZLJ87Vqg&usqp=CAU.jpg"} And last, the fact that you lack any integrity to call foul when a foul occurred, when a man is robbed, because it's more important to you to have glizzy lips from Ward's sausage. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Stop making excuses LOL, you’re the first dude in the entire universe to say Ward didn’t fight a prime Kovalev. Kovalev aside, you still haven't addressed the issue of Gvozdyk and Stevenson. I said they were the other boogiemen of the division, and Ward wanted nothing to do with them.