Lennox never stopped being vulnerable
He got KTFO by Hasim Rahman in 2001
He struggled with Klit in 2003
Like I said, most of his best wins & performances were in the '90s.
Lennox didnt take the Rahman seriously. The rematch showed the difference between the 2
The Klitschko fight was also one in which he wasnt in good condition and was already on the decline
Lennox Lewis prime was from 97-01. The Emanuel Steward era
Pre Emanuel Steward Lennox wasnt an ATG
Lennox wasnt fully Lennox until around 97
Prior to that he was a very good but vulnerable heavyweight.
In that era he got knocked out by Oliver McCall and struggled with Frank Bruno. 99 Lennox would have no trouble with either.
As far as Foreman of the 90s goes he was a good contender who was fortunate enough to get a title shot (mainly because of his name) and seized the opportunity.. He lost practically every single round vs Morrison and openly ducked Bowe and Lewis. This wasnt the same force from the 70s.
Lennox never stopped being vulnerable
He got KTFO by Hasim Rahman in 2001
He struggled with Klit in 2003
Like I said, most of his best wins & performances were in the '90s.
Foreman gave prime Holyfield a WAR and knocked out Michael Moorer & beat Shannon Briggs (& got robbed)
And Lennox destroyed Morrison, Ruddock, Golota, and beat Holyfield 3x in the '90s.
'90s Lennox is ABSOLUTELY one of the best HWs of all-time.
His best wins were in the '90s.
In the 2000s is it's just Rahman, a shot Tyson, and Klitschko
Lennox wasnt fully Lennox until around 97
Prior to that he was a very good but vulnerable heavyweight.
In that era he got knocked out by Oliver McCall and struggled with Frank Bruno. 99 Lennox would have no trouble with either.
As far as Foreman of the 90s goes he was a good contender who was fortunate enough to get a title shot (mainly because of his name) and seized the opportunity.. He lost practically every single round vs Morrison and openly ducked Bowe and Lewis. This wasnt the same force from the 70s.
That version of Foreman isnt a top 10 heavyweight of all time and that version of Lewis isnt either. Besides most of Brunos career was in the 80s anyways. Bruno would struggle to make the top 10 right now.
Foreman gave prime Holyfield a WAR and knocked out Michael Moorer & beat Shannon Briggs (& got robbed)
And Lennox destroyed Morrison, Ruddock, Golota, and beat Holyfield 3x in the '90s.
'90s Lennox is ABSOLUTELY one of the best HWs of all-time.
His best wins were in the '90s.
In the 2000s is it's just Rahman, a shot Tyson, and Klitschko
Frank Bruno skill for skill was clearly a better fighter than Whyte, and fought at a higher level 'In a by far better era'.
Frank Bruno only lost to World Champions 'And Mike Tyson, was the only one of those Champions who beat him easily in their rematch'.
Bruno fought very well vs Lennox Lewis 'And was winning all of his fights vs Bone Crusher Smith, Witherspoon before the stoppages'. You pass over the fact that those World title attempts, were not total negatives for Frank Bruno 'Even during a loss, he proved that he was a solid fighter'.
Compare that to Dillian Whyte, how did his World title fight go vs Fury? It was a terrible effort vs a Tyson Fury who than form was not very clear 'Compared to other top Heavyweights'. I have never rated Fury's performances vs Whyte as great, Fury was doing nothing until he scored a fluke knock-out.
It also took considerable amount of resistance to beat Frank Bruno 'Bruno did not just disappear or freeze soon as he was hit contrary to certain stereotypes knocking about'.
We have seen Whyte in all of his loses, pretty much getting brutally banged out 'Bad knock-outs'. Whyte really at his best was a high European level fighter, who has benefited from being based in the UK and associating with Eddie Hearn and Matchroom 'Whyte at his peak was barely just about a World level fighter'.
Note: Far too many Heavyweights in this era, are quite simply by far too slow 'Technically unsophisticated, and docile when it comes to being faced with violence'. Its like that movie Demolition Man, the way? The law enforcement officers don't know how to deal with Wisley Snipes when he appears in the future 'Because of his heightened aggressive attitude'.
If Mike Tyson from the late 80's, early to mid 90's, was transported from the past into today's present time 'I honestly don't think today's heavyweights would be able to deal with him' Both inside and outside of the ring.
I see many hardcore Fury fans, still playing this game of 'None of those past Heavyweights fighters can compete with today's Heavyweights, because they are monster Super Heavyweights'.
The numbers on the scales state that they are super heavyweights yes, but in reality 'A big majority of the Heavyweights these days, who claim they are super heavyweights are out of condition. That is the only reason why their weight is so high'.
Tyson Fury's next fight is vs a Heavyweight who is 220 pounds Oleksandr Uysk 'And Uysk had to body build himself up to that weight'. If Usyk beats Tyson Fury, or even just pushes him in a close fight'.
The notion that this era's Super Heavyweights would be automatically too much for more classically physique Heavyweights 'This notion will be made completely unproven, erroneous'.
I believe Wilder to be honest has already proven that vs Tyson Fury.
So overall as I said in my previous post, Mike Tyson definitively has the ability to bang many Heavyweights out in this era 'Speed, Power, technical sophisticated and violence'.
Deontay Wilder when you really analyse him as a fighter, Wilder brings violence and power 'Mike Tyson was bring violence, power, technical sophistication. Mike Tyson also had a highly integrated defense which simultaneously operated in unison with his offense'.
If Wilder decked Fury 4-5 times and essentially knocked him out in the first fight 'Then in my opinion Mike Tyson has the ability to also deck Tyson Fury. And he definitively has the ability to bang many Heavyweights form this era out' etc.
This is exactly how I would describe Bruno. He just benefitted from being from the UK because back then they didnt have many serious heavyweight contenders. Thats the reality when it comes to Frank Brunos title shots. Right place right time
He was better than Dillian Whyte, the bloated cheater.
You keep forgettinmg that Bruno was in the deepest heavyweight era ever with Foreman, Tyson, Lennox, & Holyfield all being arguably top 10 HWs of all-time & tons of solid guys like Tua, Ibeabuchi, Moorer, Botha, & Ruddock.
Dillian Whyte couldn't even be a champion in this, one of the weakest eras of all-time.
That version of Foreman isnt a top 10 heavyweight of all time and that version of Lewis isnt either. Besides most of Brunos career was in the 80s anyways. Bruno would struggle to make the top 10 right now.
I think all this talk about Joshua having a bad chin is overrated.
Hes only been dropped by Klitschko and Ruiz in all of his fights
Being dropped by Ruiz is a big factor considering Mike punches a lot harder than Ruiz.
I think anyone with a questionable chin won't get far against Tyson.
To beat Tyson you basically have to make him feel like his punches are doing nothing. Once that happens, he has always capitulated for the most part. Minus Ruddock.
Bruno was not a good boxer. These forums have made him ridiculously overrated. He was a Daniel Dubious level fighter who benefitted greatly from British nepotism which got him all those title fights that he didn't deserve.
His only major win is vs McCall who was clearly not stable at that point of his career.
Bruno wasn't durable, weak stamina and chin, extremely stiff.
I'd actually pick Dubious to knock him out.
Bruno was a more durable fighter by far than Dubois and Whyte 'And he as a better boxer skill for skill, most likely hit with more power for sure'.
Whyte has been banged out by a boxer in Tyson Fury, who is not a monster puncher 'And Dubois has just been banged out by a jab, by Oleksandr Usyk who was not a powerful puncher at Cruiser weight'.
Bruno's durability is more proven 'Bruno was never just banged out in a flash, and it 99.9% of the time took a sustained Heavy bombardment to forced the stoppage vs Bruno'.
Frank Bruno was WBC World Heavyweight Champion, in the best Heavyweight era since the 70's '
Tim Witherspoon, James Bone Crusher Smith, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Oliver McCall.
Those fighters are some of the most powerful heavyweight punchers of the late 80's and 90's 'Bruno only lost to World Champions'.
Bruno against all of them, never disappeared as soon as the going got tough 'Bruno was not easy fight for any of those fighters, the only loss Bruno has on his record were he was beaten easily was his last fight vs Mike Tyson II'.
Make something up yourself mate, instead of just saying cliche things like Bruno was stiff 'Bruno was a text book fighter, and mastered the fundamentals'. Much like Anthony Joshua there was nothing fancy or flamboyant about Bruno's boxing style, and he very rarely made glaring technical mistakes 'Bruno was a physically strong, good fundamental boxer who hit with considerable power'.
By the time Bruno fought McCall 'I don't even rate that version of Bruno as his peak. There was better versions of Bruno, it was just that he fought the right tactical fight to win vs McCall 'Solid Jab, boxing and tying McCall up on the inside'.
For all the people who mock Bruno, nobody who witnessed him fight could deny that he was not game'.
Bruno could made many fights much more easier for himself, by just boxing 'But he did have a tendency to want to have a fight'.
Note: Frank Bruno fought a unbeaten Mike Tyson 'Stared Mike Tyson down, met Mike Tyson head on and confronted his violence'. When Bruno was knocked down in the first round, he did not look to get out of the fight 'Bruno got up off the canvas and then that was when the real fight started'.
People need to stop kidding themselves, or just saying cliche nonsensical things about past fighters 'Bruno as a Heavyweight fighter was not a push over, there was nothing meek about him inside the ring'.
The fact of the matter is, Bruno only lost to World Champions 'Pushed every single one of those fighters'.
I don't really see Dubois & Whyte winning rounds against Bruno consistently 'They would most likely be getting busted up real good. Outside of Lennox Lewis, Bruno had one of the best Jabs of the late 80's and 90's. Bruno was one of the few Heavyweights to compete with Lewis in a jabbing contest, and Bruno was winning in that area of the fight vs Lewis at that stage of his career' etc.
Fury just got beat down outboxed and absolutely embarrassed by a guy who has never fought a professional boxing bout a day in his life. And it was mike tyson who knew exactly how to beat furys style coaching Ngannou....don't ever in your life tell me or anyone about fury beating anything prime of a mike tyson. Ever.....fury is a sloppy uncoordinated slew footed mess. Lewis beating a well past it tyson is not proof that fury would do anything against a prime tyson. In fact forget tyson. I think some of even the 90s heavyweights like ike ibeabuchi would have laid absolute waste to fury......never mind the Tysons the Lewis's.
Fury needed a patsy to make Usyk overconfident.
And he got 100 mil for it.
You've been played.
You can tell Lennox took him lightly. Bruno did exceed expectations I'll give him that. Was legitimately beating Lennox in the early rounds.
Still doesn't change that he got a lot of title shots that he didn't deserve (really all besides the Witherspoon one) and lost them all besides for McCall who was clearly mentally not well around that time.
I have no reason to think Bruno was even better than Dillian Whyte
Frank Bruno skill for skill was clearly a better fighter than Whyte, and fought at a higher level 'In a by far better era'.
Frank Bruno only lost to World Champions 'And Mike Tyson, was the only one of those Champions who beat him easily in their rematch'.
Bruno fought very well vs Lennox Lewis 'And was winning all of his fights vs Bone Crusher Smith, Witherspoon before the stoppages'. You pass over the fact that those World title attempts, were not total negatives for Frank Bruno 'Even during a loss, he proved that he was a solid fighter'.
Compare that to Dillian Whyte, how did his World title fight go vs Fury? It was a terrible effort vs a Tyson Fury who than form was not very clear 'Compared to other top Heavyweights'. I have never rated Fury's performances vs Whyte as great, Fury was doing nothing until he scored a fluke knock-out.
It also took considerable amount of resistance to beat Frank Bruno 'Bruno did not just disappear or freeze soon as he was hit contrary to certain stereotypes knocking about'.
We have seen Whyte in all of his loses, pretty much getting brutally banged out 'Bad knock-outs'. Whyte really at his best was a high European level fighter, who has benefited from being based in the UK and associating with Eddie Hearn and Matchroom 'Whyte at his peak was barely just about a World level fighter'.
Note: Far too many Heavyweights in this era, are quite simply by far too slow 'Technically unsophisticated, and docile when it comes to being faced with violence'. Its like that movie Demolition Man, the way? The law enforcement officers don't know how to deal with Wisley Snipes when he appears in the future 'Because of his heightened aggressive attitude'.
If Mike Tyson from the late 80's, early to mid 90's, was transported from the past into today's present time 'I honestly don't think today's heavyweights would be able to deal with him' Both inside and outside of the ring.
I see many hardcore Fury fans, still playing this game of 'None of those past Heavyweights fighters can compete with today's Heavyweights, because they are monster Super Heavyweights'.
The numbers on the scales state that they are super heavyweights yes, but in reality 'A big majority of the Heavyweights these days, who claim they are super heavyweights are out of condition. That is the only reason why their weight is so high'.
Tyson Fury's next fight is vs a Heavyweight who is 220 pounds Oleksandr Uysk 'And Uysk had to body build himself up to that weight'. If Usyk beats Tyson Fury, or even just pushes him in a close fight'.
The notion that this era's Super Heavyweights would be automatically too much for more classically physique Heavyweights 'This notion will be made completely unproven, erroneous'.
I believe Wilder to be honest has already proven that vs Tyson Fury.
So overall as I said in my previous post, Mike Tyson definitively has the ability to bang many Heavyweights out in this era 'Speed, Power, technical sophisticated and violence'.
Deontay Wilder when you really analyse him as a fighter, Wilder brings violence and power 'Mike Tyson was bring violence, power, technical sophistication. Mike Tyson also had a highly integrated defense which simultaneously operated in unison with his offense'.
If Wilder decked Fury 4-5 times and essentially knocked him out in the first fight 'Then in my opinion Mike Tyson has the ability to also deck Tyson Fury. And he definitively has the ability to bang many Heavyweights form this era out' etc.
McCall's got one of the best chins in the history of boxing (& was Mike Tyson's sparring partner) and had a lot of power, don't bet on a guy who got knocked out by an ancient Povetkin beating McCall, unless he has a full on breakdown like he did against Lennox :lol1:
I wouldnt bet on it but I would pick Whyte to win
Bruno and Seldon became champion. Im confident Whyte couldve beaten that version of McCall. Whytes resume is better than Brunos but I understand the cheating thing.
McCall's got one of the best chins in the history of boxing (& was Mike Tyson's sparring partner) and had a lot of power, don't bet on a guy who got knocked out by an ancient Povetkin beating McCall, unless he has a full on breakdown like he did against Lennox :lol1:
He was better than Dillian Whyte, the bloated cheater.
You keep forgettinmg that Bruno was in the deepest heavyweight era ever with Foreman, Tyson, Lennox, & Holyfield all being arguably top 10 HWs of all-time & tons of solid guys like Tua, Ibeabuchi, Moorer, Botha, & Ruddock.
Dillian Whyte couldn't even be a champion in this, one of the weakest eras of all-time.
Bruno and Seldon became champion. Im confident Whyte couldve beaten that version of McCall. Whytes resume is better than Brunos but I understand the cheating thing.
You can tell Lennox took him lightly. Bruno did exceed expectations I'll give him that. Was legitimately beating Lennox in the early rounds.
Still doesn't change that he got a lot of title shots that he didn't deserve (really all besides the Witherspoon one) and lost them all besides for McCall who was clearly mentally not well around that time.
I have no reason to think Bruno was even better than Dillian Whyte
He was better than Dillian Whyte, the bloated cheater.
You keep forgettinmg that Bruno was in the deepest heavyweight era ever with Foreman, Tyson, Lennox, & Holyfield all being arguably top 10 HWs of all-time & tons of solid guys like Tua, Ibeabuchi, Moorer, Botha, & Ruddock.
Dillian Whyte couldn't even be a champion in this, one of the weakest eras of all-time.
Iron Mike destroys timid AJ and sloppy Wilder. Too smart, too disciplined for these cavemen.
Usyk... it would get real ugly when Mike cracks him with body shots and combinations.
Tyson Fury is the only champ who would pose any threat to Mike in today's era.
Bruno was better than you're giving him credit for.
He was giving Lennox a very, very hard time in their fight. Bruno was actually winning on one card by a lot and was drawing on the 2 others when he was stopped in the 7th round.
I don't think A.J. gives Lennox that much trouble.
You can tell Lennox took him lightly. Bruno did exceed expectations I'll give him that. Was legitimately beating Lennox in the early rounds.
Still doesn't change that he got a lot of title shots that he didn't deserve (really all besides the Witherspoon one) and lost them all besides for McCall who was clearly mentally not well around that time.
I have no reason to think Bruno was even better than Dillian Whyte
He landed a good shot vs Mike Tyson and then folded. Bruno wasn't very good. He just benefitted from being from the UK in an era when that wasn't common. In todays era he wouldn't do much. Too many big names from the UK for him to get title shots solely based on British nepotism
Bruno was better than you're giving him credit for.
He was giving Lennox a very, very hard time in their fight. Bruno was actually winning on one card by a lot and was drawing on the 2 others when he was stopped in the 7th round.
I don't think A.J. gives Lennox that much trouble.
We talking a prime Mike? Maybe he beats this current 39 year old version of Chisora but i can't see him beating too many other heavyweights. Someone like Fury would beat Tyson and rag doll him all around the ring
Nah, Bruno stood up to Mike Tyson, a PRIME Mike Tyson, pre-prison or Buster Douglas
A morbidly obese Mexican aint rag dolling him :lol1:
And Lennox losing to AJ?
Nah, the only people who ever had a shot to beat Lennox in his era were guys with one shot power, like McCall & Rahman.
That's not A.J.
At his best, he wasn't a one-hitter quitter type fighter, he as a combination puncher with power & a terrible gas tank
He landed a good shot vs Mike Tyson and then folded. Bruno wasn't very good. He just benefitted from being from the UK in an era when that wasn't common. In todays era he wouldn't do much. Too many big names from the UK for him to get title shots solely based on British nepotism
Ruiz does Bruno in similar fashion
That version of Lennox would have a good chance of losing to Anthony Joshua
Nah, Bruno stood up to Mike Tyson, a PRIME Mike Tyson, pre-prison or Buster Douglas
A morbidly obese Mexican aint rag dolling him :lol1:
And Lennox losing to AJ?
Nah, the only people who ever had a shot to beat Lennox in his era were guys with one shot power, like McCall & Rahman.
That's not A.J.
At his best, he wasn't a one-hitter quitter type fighter, he as a combination puncher with power & a terrible gas tank
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