Usyk vs Dubious shouldn't be a controversy

It was borderline so there is gonna be controversy and that is justified. Wether he would have got up or not is pure speculation. He was clearly hurt though (that's why he hit the deck wincing in pain). It's also not the first time he has been hurt by a body shot. Nobody would be surprised if he gets stopped by a body shot in the future.

That is what I am suggesting. Ref count. Then before victory announcement, check video. Probably need to iron out some wrinkles here. Yeah its not smooth, but at least it forces the guy to try and get up. It doesn't help that the most recent/known example of replay in boxing involved Robert Byrd's old ass starting at a monitor for 40 minutes before saying "yeah, maybe a thumb?"

Check the ref position for the call. He was in direct view watching it. Had the best possible angle to make the call. What's more likely, that he made the correct call and all the people nitpicking from bad angles are wrong, or that people who saw it live from a bad angle got it right and the guy who was right there looking directly at it and heard the glove impact the groin protector got it wrong? I do think boxing needs access to immediate replays and to have clear protocols for reversals of bad calls. Understand your point. I have to look again but in real time I wasn’t sure he saw it clean. In the rbr thread, I noted that ref has a history of being really solid ref. I don’t know he heard anything and I haven’t read or seen him say he did. If you have, please share it. I think it is needed just in case a ref does make a mistake. Yeah.

In real time I felt the ref made an error that cost DuBois a title. Not a robbery or a payoff, just a mistake. I have not utilized photo evidence because the timing and angles are often not accurate. Besides, the call is made in real time. I would like to see boxing adopt something like the NFL. Play through then check replay. That shot was close enough that imo, had they done a replay like I suggest, possibly DuBois is given a KO win. Possibly its ruled low. Yes DuBois quit. That doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have been given a KO win if he deserved it. Check the ref position for the call. He was in direct view watching it. Had the best possible angle to make the call. What's more likely, that he made the correct call and all the people nitpicking from bad angles are wrong, or that people who saw it live from a bad angle got it right and the guy who was right there looking directly at it and heard the glove impact the groin protector got it wrong? I do think boxing needs access to immediate replays and to have clear protocols for reversals of bad calls.

It isn't a controversy. It's Fury fan(boy)s clutching at straws. Even if you genuinely want to have an honest debate over whether or not the punch was low, what isn't up for debate is that it was ruled low by the referee and therefore Usyk was allowed up to five minutes to recover and acted accordingly. Any talk of a KO win for Dubois is laughable nonsense. Totally agree. Usyk did what he was supposed to do in that situation when a low blow is called.

It isn't a controversy. It's Fury fan(boy)s clutching at straws. Even if you genuinely want to have an honest debate over whether or not the punch was low, what isn't up for debate is that it was ruled low by the referee and therefore Usyk was allowed up to five minutes to recover and acted accordingly. Any talk of a KO win for Dubois is laughable nonsense.

A KO win would not be possible without an actual count. Personally I think Usyk played it up quite a lot and would have beaten the count had there been one. We'll never know. That is what I am suggesting. Ref count. Then before victory announcement, check video. Probably need to iron out some wrinkles here. Yeah its not smooth, but at least it forces the guy to try and get up.

In real time I felt the ref made an error that cost DuBois a title. Not a robbery or a payoff, just a mistake. I have not utilized photo evidence because the timing and angles are often not accurate. Besides, the call is made in real time. I would like to see boxing adopt something like the NFL. Play through then check replay. That shot was close enough that imo, had they done a replay like I suggest, possibly DuBois is given a KO win. Possibly its ruled low. Yes DuBois quit. That doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have been given a KO win if he deserved it. A KO win would not be possible without an actual count. Personally I think Usyk played it up quite a lot and would have beaten the count had there been one. We'll never know.

Just like I wouldn't mind seeing the rematch here, i'd like to see a Fury Ngannou rematch. Not because I think the result would be any different quite the contrary. I'd just like to put the controversy to rest. I think Dubois quits again and I think Fury wins it easy this time. I thought Ngannou beat a pitifully prepared Fury the first time.

In real time I felt the ref made an error that cost DuBois a title. Not a robbery or a payoff, just a mistake. I have not utilized photo evidence because the timing and angles are often not accurate. Besides, the call is made in real time. I would like to see boxing adopt something like the NFL. Play through then check replay. That shot was close enough that imo, had they done a replay like I suggest, possibly DuBois is given a KO win. Possibly its ruled low. Yes DuBois quit. That doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have been given a KO win if he deserved it.

Then clowns post clear evidence on here with GIF verifying for everyone that it was a low blow claiming the opposite. DDD is a quitter who gets "disheartened" in a fight where things got a little rough but not hopeless, he was actually hurting Usyk with legal punches and in the rds. Hes too mentally weak to ever become the Heavyweight champion. I had high hopes for him being the next great heavyweight but now I dont. I think Jared Anderson is most likely the guy in the future but its too early to tell.

Usyk has been stopped 3 times with body shots and BS his way out of being counted out. How hard is that to understand? Even retired head ref and hall of famer Joe Cortez, who has trained darn refs, said it was legal. Fanboys vs the professional. Eyesight vs those who don't want to see. The list goes on. You notice Fury put up a stinker but can't live with fraudulent activity of the Ukraine dosser. Joe Cortez is a terrible ref as was seen in the Mayweather vs Cortez fight. Face it Dubious is the mentally weak quitting dosser. Complaining about a low blow wont change that.

Obviously you are a big Usyk fan, but I don't care for either fighter, actually I dislike Dubois more for your 4) and 5), that's why I say move on to the Fury-Usyk fight. However that shot was legal in the vast majority of matches I've seen. Could Usyk have gotten up if that shot was deemed legal and the ref started the 10 count? Very probable, but he was very visibly hurt by that shot and if he wouldn't get 5 mins to recover, that would give Dubois a big opportunity to finish it off. The event was highly politicized, even Zelensky the clown made an appearance. You really think they would allow their Ukrainian hero to lose to a quitter like Dubois? If the ref wasn't paid off, he felt the pressure from the highly politicized situation and favored Usyk, everytime Dubois threw a bodyshot, Usyk complained and the ref was all over him. I felt like the impact of the shot was clearly below the belt. You have a point about if it was considered a legal body shot that Dubious may have been able to finish him off.

Usyk has been stopped 3 times with body shots and BS his way out of being counted out. How hard is that to understand? Even retired head ref and hall of famer Joe Cortez, who has trained darn refs, said it was legal. Fanboys vs the professional. Eyesight vs those who don't want to see. The list goes on. You notice Fury put up a stinker but can't live with fraudulent activity of the Ukraine dosser.

Great point by you on how they didnt even contest the call until after the fight. Warren and Dubious are both trying to be opportunistic after the fact. Reminds me of when Don King tried to claim long count for Mike Tyson when he got knocked out by Buster Douglas. That one was even funnier because King represented both fighters. A few other points I've made before. One is that you can hear the sound of the glove making contact with the protector. Two was that the judge was in the perfect position to see exactly what happened. Look at his position when the shot lands. Three, which I noticed looking at the replay, look at where Dubois hand goes after the shot. He puts his glove over his own groin... He KNEW that was a low blow. Probably felt the protector through his glove.

Let's also add that Dubois and his team didn't try to contest the call at the time either. They just sat around. They knew it was a low blow. That wasn't even the only one. He'd landed a bunch of low blows earlier in the fight. All the people trying to argue it are relying on false claims like that low blows are defined by the beltline. He's got most of his knuckles below the waistline. Clear and obvious low blow. Also obvious from the effect. Legal shots to the stomach and liver don't look like that. Great point by you on how they didnt even contest the call until after the fight. Warren and Dubious are both trying to be opportunistic after the fact. Reminds me of when Don King tried to claim long count for Mike Tyson when he got knocked out by Buster Douglas. That one was even funnier because King represented both fighters.

Obviously you are a big Usyk fan, but I don't care for either fighter, actually I dislike Dubois more for your 4) and 5), that's why I say move on to the Fury-Usyk fight. However that shot was legal in the vast majority of matches I've seen. Could Usyk have gotten up if that shot was deemed legal and the ref started the 10 count? Very probable, but he was very visibly hurt by that shot and if he wouldn't get 5 mins to recover, that would give Dubois a big opportunity to finish it off. The event was highly politicized, even Zelensky the clown made an appearance. You really think they would allow their Ukrainian hero to lose to a quitter like Dubois? If the ref wasn't paid off, he felt the pressure from the highly politicized situation and favored Usyk, everytime Dubois threw a bodyshot, Usyk complained and the ref was all over him.

Let's also add that Dubois and his team didn't try to contest the call at the time either. They just sat around. They knew it was a low blow. That wasn't even the only one. He'd landed a bunch of low blows earlier in the fight. All the people trying to argue it are relying on false claims like that low blows are defined by the beltline. He's got most of his knuckles below the waistline. Clear and obvious low blow. Also obvious from the effect. Legal shots to the stomach and liver don't look like that.