Do you believe Deontay Wilder made $20 million in the Helenius fight?

Even $3 million is hard to believe, let alone $20 mil. The sport is not in the business of losing money. If it's an investment why are they letting him go inactive? He should be fighting 3 times a year to get their investment back. Ruiz vs Wilder would have been a fight to make investors' mouth water. Not every fan is a huge fan of this division. I for one don't GAF about it. Yeah, how much he made for the fight itself, I have no clue, nor do I really care. Though if he made good money, good on him. I don't see how anyone could say he doesn't deserve it. He has given boxing fans excitement and has a wild enough personality to back him up. Love or hate the costumes, they were different and added to the drama of his bouts. I personally, don't care if he was paid 3mill or 20mill, I just want to see him back.

He got paid 20-25m for fury each fury fight is helonius a champ with a belt on the line f... No i don't see any clear figures my guess is wilder received 6m & helonius 1.5m wilder is set to receive 25-30m for Ngannou so get real on 20m for a gatekeeper with no name or risk

This sport needs to go back to its normal purses where it was before in terms of reporting, especially in the US. DAZN itself is no longer offering large sums of money for every fight. Purses are always based on the size of the fight. If fighters and promoters on both sides can't come to a resolution, they'll do it on PPV like the Prograis vs Haney, for example. And believe me, Hearn or DAZN could care less about the PPV outcome. The only thing that mattered, especially for Eddie Boy Hearn, was the fight got made. And the advantage is everyone takes part in promoting the PPV from fighters, managers, everybody. In other words, the success would also be based on how the fight got promoted. Everyone is accountable for its success. Showtime's Stephen Espinoza had already touched on the PPV issue. He stated PPV is a tool to make fights happen. I'm sure he couldn't have cared about the PPV sales outcome. The fight got made. That's all that really matter to network executives. HBO hated PPVs. They would rather do it on regular subscription. But fighters and promoters are too greedy. Therefore, to make fights happen, give them their guarantees based on subscription, and they take the extra money off PPV sales. No sales, no extra money.

I doubt it

The baseline purses for fairly big fights like Thurman vs Porter, for example, is still $900K to $1.5 million EVEN TO THIS DAY. It may even have decreased because as you can see broadcasters have all scrambled to get out of boxing. They're obviously not gaining anything from it, monetary or any type of benefit. $20 million purse for an average fight, not even considered big, is just too damn hard to stomach. IT IS A HUGE LIE. These exaggerations started when DAZN/Hearn started offering astronomic sums of money. Finkel and company and many fans thought boxing is truly back in the mainstream, especially the heavyweights. They ignored the fact that DAZN was a startup company in boxing in which their business model is not based on PPV sales, but on subscription. That's what people ignored. DAZN went aggressive in its offers. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BOXING BEING BACK IN THE MAINSTREAM. So now almost everyone is exaggerating figures based on Hearn's crazy offers in the past. Those days are gone.​ This sport needs to go back to its normal purses where it was before in terms of reporting, especially in the US. DAZN itself is no longer offering large sums of money for every fight. Purses are always based on the size of the fight. If fighters and promoters on both sides can't come to a resolution, they'll do it on PPV like the Prograis vs Haney, for example. And believe me, Hearn or DAZN could care less about the PPV outcome. The only thing that mattered, especially for Eddie Boy Hearn, was the fight got made. And the advantage is everyone takes part in promoting the PPV from fighters, managers, everybody. In other words, the success would also be based on how the fight got promoted. Everyone is accountable for its success.

Except Espinoza didn't go along with such payrise. And Showtime was PBC's main source of income. Showtime Espinoza was an original member of Wilder's team when Deontay was waxing poetic about loyalty. Obviously, Stephen had had enough of overpaying Wilder. He realized they were trying hard to match DAZN's offer when the streaming platform's business model wasn't even based on PPV, but on mass subscription. Showtime exec decided to bolt and pass Wilder fights on to Fox Sports with unknown budgetary situation. Doesn't matter where the money came from. It was part of his deal. Looks like its done now though, Helenius as the last fight on it... and they aren't looking to take him back. Or least can't afford to anymore.

Except Espinoza didn't go along with such payrise. And Showtime was PBC's main source of income. Showtime Espinoza was an original member of Wilder's team when Deontay was waxing poetic about loyalty. Obviously, Stephen had had enough of overpaying Wilder. He realized they were trying hard to match DAZN's offer when the streaming platform's business model wasn't even based on PPV, but on mass subscription. Showtime exec decided to bolt and pass Wilder fights on to Fox Sports with unknown budgetary situation. I saw that video of Wilder's loyalty crap. He was in a "Dream Team" he said; the team which Floyd made so much money. Yeah, he mentioned Mayweather. Little did he know good ol' Stephen Spinoza was getting worried where all these over-payments would come from.

Even $3 million is hard to believe, let alone $20 mil. The sport is not in the business of losing money. If it's an investment why are they letting him go inactive? He should be fighting 3 times a year to get their investment back. Ruiz vs Wilder would have been a fight to make investors' mouth water. Not every fan is a huge fan of this division. I for one don't GAF about it. That's what some people are not getting. The heavyweight division is dead in America. Fans would rather have large gatherings watching fights in the lighter divisions.

What's confusing? DAZN offered Wilder $100m for 3 fights (2 with AJ, one with Breazeale), or 4 fights (the 3 mentioned plus another smaller fight for $20m between the two AJ fights). His team refused, sacked DiBella for arranging the meeting (which put them in a difficult position), and gave Wilder a new minimum purse of a reported $12m+ to appease him and stay with PBC/Showtime. They couldn't match DAZN by a long way, but still a huge payrise for Wilder who was previously making $2m. This is all pretty much confirmed by many parties. Wilder himself gor a big payrise but also said he rejected the enormous DAZN offer because he thought he would be worth more after beating Fury.... The rest is history. You're welcome. Except Espinoza didn't go along with such payrise. And Showtime was PBC's main source of income. Showtime Espinoza was an original member of Wilder's team when Deontay was waxing poetic about loyalty. Obviously, Stephen had had enough of overpaying Wilder. He realized they were trying hard to match DAZN's offer when the streaming platform's business model wasn't even based on PPV, but on mass subscription. Showtime exec decided to bolt and pass Wilder fights on to Fox Sports with unknown budgetary situation.

I don't get what this new contract with PBC is all about. Can anyone show a link? The question in this thread is a very simple yes or no answer. Do you believe Wilder made $20 million in the Helenius fight? What does a new contract, if it exists at all, got to do with the question? What's confusing? DAZN offered Wilder $100m for 3 fights (2 with AJ, one with Breazeale), or 4 fights (the 3 mentioned plus another smaller fight for $20m between the two AJ fights). His team refused, sacked DiBella for arranging the meeting (which put them in a difficult position), and gave Wilder a new minimum purse of a reported $12m+ to appease him and stay with PBC/Showtime. They couldn't match DAZN by a long way, but still a huge payrise for Wilder who was previously making $2m. This is all pretty much confirmed by many parties. Wilder himself gor a big payrise but also said he rejected the enormous DAZN offer because he thought he would be worth more after beating Fury.... The rest is history. Did he make $20m? Unlikely, but he was making $12m+ as a minimum on this contract, so MAYBE, but probably a little less. Lets just say PBC/Showtime are probably delighted hes out of contract now. You're welcome.

Honestly, Wilder's stock grew tremendously even in his losses to Fury. They were exciting matches and as much as some would like to believe, you lose your zero and you're finished, it's simply not the case. See Arturo Gatti as an example. As long as you bring excitement and entertainment, people will pay to see you. It wasn't just Wilder against a chump, it was Wilder's comeback since the Fury loss which was a year prior. People were excited again to see him back. They wanted to see if he could be his old self which meant a guarantee knockout. Personally, a lot of fighters get overpaid and under deliver. Wilder always lives up to his trademark KO when it's someone not named Fury. That's what fans of his come to see and why he can still sell out. Even $3 million is hard to believe, let alone $20 mil. The sport is not in the business of losing money. If it's an investment why are they letting him go inactive? He should be fighting 3 times a year to get their investment back. Ruiz vs Wilder would have been a fight to make investors' mouth water. Not every fan is a huge fan of this division. I for one don't GAF about it.

Honestly, Wilder's stock grew tremendously even in his losses to Fury. They were exciting matches and as much as some would like to believe, you lose your zero and you're finished, it's simply not the case. See Arturo Gatti as an example. As long as you bring excitement and entertainment, people will pay to see you. It wasn't just Wilder against a chump, it was Wilder's comeback since the Fury loss which was a year prior. People were excited again to see him back. They wanted to see if he could be his old self which meant a guarantee knockout. Personally, a lot of fighters get overpaid and under deliver. Wilder always lives up to his trademark KO when it's someone not named Fury. That's what fans of his come to see and why he can still sell out.

All you need is a YouTube channel. You can cite questionable figures, make those sources explain how they came up with those figures. One lie being proven wrong and made up would make their readers have second thoughts on trusting what they write. The baseline purses for fairly big fights like Thurman vs Porter, for example, is still $900K to $1.5 million EVEN TO THIS DAY. It may even have decreased because as you can see broadcasters have all scrambled to get out of boxing. They're obviously not gaining anything from it, monetary or any type of benefit. $20 million purse for an average fight, not even considered big, is just too damn hard to stomach. IT IS A HUGE LIE. These exaggerations started when DAZN/Hearn started offering astronomic sums of money. Finkel and company and many fans thought boxing is truly back in the mainstream, especially the heavyweights. They ignored the fact that DAZN was a startup company in boxing in which their business model is not based on PPV sales, but on subscription. That's what people ignored. DAZN went aggressive in its offers. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BOXING BEING BACK IN THE MAINSTREAM. So now almost everyone is exaggerating figures based on Hearn's crazy offers in the past. Those days are gone.​

Probably - I guess we all see how people get paid a tremendous amount of money for total craps.

If he did, its no wonder why Showtime left boxing.

Truly depressing indeed. Poor Helenius. These people who are exaggerating figures didn't even care about Helenius' case. They could have added an extra "0" on all those figures and nobody would have bothered questioning them. This sport needs sincere investigative reporters to expose the truth. People should not get away with writing obvious lies. All you need is a YouTube channel. You can cite questionable figures, make those sources explain how they came up with those figures. One lie being proven wrong and made up would make their readers have second thoughts on trusting what they write.

They're probably saying the "new contract" with PBC states that he will get a minimum guarantee of $20 mil for every fight he's in. Yeah, they're stranger than fiction in this crazy sport. Why would PBC willing to lose money overpaying a very inactive fighter whose sights are not even on US soil, but in Saudi Arabia? These people making up these figures are treating their readers like they're all dummies. Nothing makes sense in this damn sport. Everyone lies. Their lies are not even small. They're astoundingly big.

I don't get what this new contract with PBC is all about. Can anyone show a link? The question in this thread is a very simple yes or no answer. Do you believe Wilder made $20 million in the Helenius fight? What does a new contract, if it exists at all, got to do with the question? They're probably saying the "new contract" with PBC states that he will get a minimum guarantee of $20 mil for every fight he's in. Yeah, they're stranger than fiction in this crazy sport. Why would PBC willing to lose money overpaying a very inactive fighter whose sights are not even on US soil, but in Saudi Arabia? These people making up these figures are treating their readers like they're all dummies.

I think he signed a new contract with PBC with a minimum floor after the first Fury fight. I know the talk of he and Fury made 20 million or more for the rematch and he probably made 20 million for the third fight, but if PBC gave that guarantee for a mismatch then they are fools because as previous posters stated Wilder wasn't earning jack sh*& before he was willing to fight live opponents. All promotional contracts have clauses that void future purse minimums in the event of a loss. So AFTER the Fury loss, his minimum would have been re-negotiated......

I think he signed a new contract with PBC with a minimum floor after the first Fury fight. I know the talk of he and Fury made 20 million or more for the rematch and he probably made 20 million for the third fight, but if PBC gave that guarantee for a mismatch then they are fools because as previous posters stated Wilder wasn't earning jack sh*& before he was willing to fight live opponents. I don't get what this new contract with PBC is all about. Can anyone show a link? The question in this thread is a very simple yes or no answer. Do you believe Wilder made $20 million in the Helenius fight? What does a new contract, if it exists at all, got to do with the question?