Wilder Hate: It is in fashion!

If you search for a way to prove Wilder has a good resume - keep doing it, but I am not buying it. What should be apparent to you seems to be not. You are missing the point entirely if you think that is my point. I explained it... Maybe it is confusing? Here is an analogy: Water:competition. If we are in a town that uses the same well, and someone poisons the well, the water may be better filtered in some places, worse in others, but we all drink poison, the water quality does not matter because it is the same well. Wilder's competition, regardless of what one thinks about it, IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME, as the rest of the division. Call it "good" "bad' "average" its the same quality, the same pool of opponents. Just like if we drink from the same well, the water is essentially the same. I gave you an example to CONTRAST the situation with Wilder... I showed you how two fighters could be fighting totally different competition. I do not know what else I can do to make my point. Take a moment and read the initial post...

Show me a list of fighters that distinguishes the level of competition that Wilder fought compared to Fury, Usyk, Joshua. To be clear? Lets compare to Frank Bruno's opposition, prior to his fight with Witherspoon... Here take a look: Bruno first, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Bruno Now here is Witherspoon's record prior to fighting Bruno: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Witherspoon What my point is, and what should be apparent to you is how different the so called "well" of fighters that each man had to draw upon as opponents. In this situation there would be a real issue of rank, and experience at different levels, because of the total different opposition each man faced... and I am not even making a valued judgement about "better" or "worse" here. Now, compare that to the sameness of the well, the similar well of fighters that each top tier heavyweight now has faced. There really is no logical basis for claiming "good" "bad" opposition... I mean one can pick at little things... But the problem is not levels, ranks, it is the absence of the fighters engaging. No fighter has faced opponents who are materially "Better" in some meaningful way... When Witherspoon fought Bruno, by contrast, Tim had already faced slick American fighters and Holmes. That is a BIG difference. If you search for a way to prove Wilder has a good resume - keep doing it, but I am not buying it. What should be apparent to you seems to be not.

Soto Karras stopped Berto, so he was better than Floyd, who went distance with Berto. That is your logic. The discussion point was Wilder’s opposition…juggernutz is hypercritical of it yet never said anything when his mancrush Joshua was less impressive against Helenius.

Wilder destroyed Helenius who just went 7 rounds with Joshua. Lol. Soto Karras stopped Berto, so he was better than Floyd, who went distance with Berto. That is your logic.

There is no Wilder hate, but fair judgement of this dignity and IQ midget. Instead of aiming at some good opposition after he became a champion, he continued with average to good, but not top fighters. Thus we will never know his true level, maybe he could have done very well against top opponents or maybe not. But no one would've judged him for doing the same - it is what he can and is by the rules, so on the other hand, losing to someone who does the same - what does that say for you? I understand there is a similarity between Tito Ortiz and Luis Ortiz, but this similarity is only when it comes to their surnames. Show me a list of fighters that distinguishes the level of competition that Wilder fought compared to Fury, Usyk, Joshua. To be clear? Lets compare to Frank Bruno's opposition, prior to his fight with Witherspoon... Here take a look: Bruno first, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Bruno Now here is Witherspoon's record prior to fighting Bruno: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Witherspoon What my point is, and what should be apparent to you is how different the so called "well" of fighters that each man had to draw upon as opponents. In this situation there would be a real issue of rank, and experience at different levels, because of the total different opposition each man faced... and I am not even making a valued judgement about "better" or "worse" here. Now, compare that to the sameness of the well, the similar well of fighters that each top tier heavyweight now has faced. There really is no logical basis for claiming "good" "bad" opposition... I mean one can pick at little things... But the problem is not levels, ranks, it is the absence of the fighters engaging. No fighter has faced opponents who are materially "Better" in some meaningful way... When Witherspoon fought Bruno, by contrast, Tim had already faced slick American fighters and Holmes. That is a BIG difference.

Wilder didn’t make much efforts to fight the best ,in fact he was warned to wait till the Klitchko break left…the heavyweight division is as strange as it gets . Wilder has NEVER defeat prime power puncher beyond Breazeale . Ortiz is devalued bc of what happened in his career , Im not sure Ortiz beats Breazeale I’d actually contest that bc he gets winded if he’s pressed? Wilder has not done the same thing bc his handling direction motioned him in the actual direction of fights he’s tailor to ..and when he fights Joshua …he’s getting knocked out bc of it …… Wilder destroyed Helenius who just went 7 rounds with Joshua. Lol.

There is no Wilder hate, but fair judgement of this dignity and IQ midget. Instead of aiming at some good opposition after he became a champion, he continued with average to good, but not top fighters. Thus we will never know his true level, maybe he could have done very well against top opponents or maybe not. But no one would've judged him for doing the same - it is what he can and is by the rules, so on the other hand, losing to someone who does the same - what does that say for you? I understand there is a similarity between Tito Ortiz and Luis Ortiz, but this similarity is only when it comes to their surnames.

- - We say U inferior at same level as U peers Ginsberg and Keraouc that implies the same inferiority of Deyonce. Hate have nothing to do wif dis topic. Pity is the operative feeling of those who know and understand boxing and the various forum members derelictions. Look at you just graduated Kindergarten with the big boy pants and all! Now you think you know boxing? :lol1:

One way to beat Joshua is staying active, Wilder relies on timed punches with very little going in on opponents bc he waits for holes to punch around…….he won’t get away with that with A.J …..if they fought next Wilders in big trouble he doesn’t have that skill set and compensation for abilities to make up for it …if anyone wanted the fight now its Joshua . Yup "ambush predator" stays way back and attacks when he wants to. Martinez was the first I saw use that strategy as a middle weight, then David Haye really made it sing when he went up to heavyweight... Wilder is also susceptable to a fighter who does pressure well. It is ironic because the second ortiz fight ortiz got caught pressuring, but that is what one needs to do. Keep a puncher on his heels.

We have a heavyweight division that is arguably weak... A division where guys are not fighting a lot right now. Yet Wilder gets called out by so many on this account, that one would think the other fighters in the division are burning up the ring. Here is how the haterade is made: 1. Subjective lists put out relegating certain fighters to "top ten" status, etc are used to take relatively weak competition and make it look great... The ole "Lipstick on a pig" thang. When in fact? All the top tier heavyweights are drinking from the same well. beating a fighter like chisora, of Whyte, is the same as beating a fighter like Stiverne... 2. Ortiz is devalued. Tito Ortiz who was unbeaten before fighting Wilder, and was a better heavyweight technically than many other fighters like Chisora... (and I am a fan of Chisora), but suddenly when Wilder beat him he was "old." He was old when he lost to Ruiz, granted, but that was a competative fight! Ortiz was definitely a quality opponent. And who cares about "rankings?" 3. Wilder is critisized for doing the same thing every heavyweight is doing now. And no credit is given to his efforts against the top heavyweight right now. Doesn't Wilder technically have like ten defenses? Just saying. So my question is a simple one: Can anyone, aside from a moron like Daggum, say that Wilder has been inferior to the top tier of the heavyweight division? when compared to his contemporaries, when considering his competition and efforts? - - We say U inferior at same level as U peers Ginsberg and Keraouc that implies the same inferiority of Deyonce. Hate have nothing to do wif dis topic. Pity is the operative feeling of those who know and understand boxing and the various forum members derelictions.

We have a heavyweight division that is arguably weak... A division where guys are not fighting a lot right now. Yet Wilder gets called out by so many on this account, that one would think the other fighters in the division are burning up the ring. Here is how the haterade is made: 1. Subjective lists put out relegating certain fighters to "top ten" status, etc are used to take relatively weak competition and make it look great... The ole "Lipstick on a pig" thang. When in fact? All the top tier heavyweights are drinking from the same well. beating a fighter like chisora, of Whyte, is the same as beating a fighter like Stiverne... 2. Ortiz is devalued. Tito Ortiz who was unbeaten before fighting Wilder, and was a better heavyweight technically than many other fighters like Chisora... (and I am a fan of Chisora), but suddenly when Wilder beat him he was "old." He was old when he lost to Ruiz, granted, but that was a competative fight! Ortiz was definitely a quality opponent. And who cares about "rankings?" 3. Wilder is critisized for doing the same thing every heavyweight is doing now. And no credit is given to his efforts against the top heavyweight right now. Doesn't Wilder technically have like ten defenses? Just saying. So my question is a simple one: Can anyone, aside from a moron like Daggum, say that Wilder has been inferior to the top tier of the heavyweight division? when compared to his contemporaries, when considering his competition and efforts? why is he sitting around crying about AJ? why isn't he fighting Ruiz? over one year and no fight.

If Wilder wants to fight, he can call Bakole, Parker, Ruiz, Sanchez, I am sure somebody will fight him. But he doesn`t want to fight.

Wilders power is legit, but his problem is that he's not very good. When was the last time he won a single round without a knockdown? Genuinely must be years ago.

If he had a lethal left, I'm not sure Fury would survive him again. Heck, I'm not sure Fury survives him again as is, not that Fury would take that fight as is. definitely the best heavyweight trilogy in a while! While in the subject... Imagine if Wilder had not "bulked up" lol. the bulking proved to be a bad idea (no suprise there). So yeah... give him a left, put him in at the right weight, Wilder's a tough fight for any of the other top tier guys,

He really got his Jab together. So he is coachable. Power in both hands is truly a game changer... It takes away the ability of the other guy to avoid the big punch. If he had a lethal left, I'm not sure Fury would survive him again. Heck, I'm not sure Fury survives him again as is, not that Fury would take that fight as is.

Wilder isn't making it easy right now by sitting out and pricing himself out of any and all fights. If he'd just gotten the Ruiz or AJ fights over the finish line, that would go a long way. Right now I'm not sure what he wants, but it looks more like he's interested in a cash out than in regaining a title or fighting top guys. He could fight any of AJ, Ruiz, Joseph Parker, Hrgovic, Zhang, Anderson, Sanchez, Wallin, or even Joyce. I'm not sure anyone wants to see Chisora, Whyte, or Dubois again. I'd also like for him to work on his left hand. Imagine if he had a left hook to go with that right hand, especially check hooks and body hooks, or just a basic 2-3. ​​​ He really got his Jab together. So he is coachable. Power in both hands is truly a game changer... It takes away the ability of the other guy to avoid the big punch.

Wilder isn't making it easy right now by sitting out and pricing himself out of any and all fights. If he'd just gotten the Ruiz or AJ fights over the finish line, that would go a long way. Right now I'm not sure what he wants, but it looks more like he's interested in a cash out than in regaining a title or fighting top guys. He could fight any of AJ, Ruiz, Joseph Parker, Hrgovic, Zhang, Anderson, Sanchez, Wallin, or even Joyce. I'm not sure anyone wants to see Chisora, Whyte, or Dubois again. I'd also like for him to work on his left hand. Imagine if he had a left hook to go with that right hand, especially check hooks and body hooks, or just a basic 2-3. ​​​

Wilder didn’t make much efforts to fight the best ,in fact he was warned to wait till the Klitchko break left…the heavyweight division is as strange as it gets . Wilder has NEVER defeat prime power puncher beyond Breazeale . Ortiz is devalued bc of what happened in his career , Im not sure Ortiz beats Breazeale I’d actually contest that bc he gets winded if he’s pressed? Wilder has not done the same thing bc his handling direction motioned him in the actual direction of fights he’s tailor to ..and when he fights Joshua …he’s getting knocked out bc of it …… There are not many truly epic punchers around, Zhang is one for sure... Ortiz never faced a pressure guy but he did handle what was in front of him. I think Joshua has the skills, but mentally... Considering the Ruiz fight especially. Can Joshua change? and come in confident and not fear Wilder's power? Only one way to find out. That is a fight I want to see, more than most others. It would either make or break Joshua and leave little room to debate his status.

We can speculate about who wins fights until the cows come home... Divide and conquer means pitting one against another. My point is that the whole heavyweight division needs to be more active...

We have a heavyweight division that is arguably weak... A division where guys are not fighting a lot right now. Yet Wilder gets called out by so many on this account, that one would think the other fighters in the division are burning up the ring. Here is how the haterade is made: 1. Subjective lists put out relegating certain fighters to "top ten" status, etc are used to take relatively weak competition and make it look great... The ole "Lipstick on a pig" thang. When in fact? All the top tier heavyweights are drinking from the same well. beating a fighter like chisora, of Whyte, is the same as beating a fighter like Stiverne... 2. Ortiz is devalued. Tito Ortiz who was unbeaten before fighting Wilder, and was a better heavyweight technically than many other fighters like Chisora... (and I am a fan of Chisora), but suddenly when Wilder beat him he was "old." He was old when he lost to Ruiz, granted, but that was a competative fight! Ortiz was definitely a quality opponent. And who cares about "rankings?" 3. Wilder is critisized for doing the same thing every heavyweight is doing now. And no credit is given to his efforts against the top heavyweight right now. Doesn't Wilder technically have like ten defenses? Just saying. So my question is a simple one: Can anyone, aside from a moron like Daggum, say that Wilder has been inferior to the top tier of the heavyweight division? when compared to his contemporaries, when considering his competition and efforts? For me, love/hate. Not much to root for in this decrepit HW era. Where a guy is only considered good because he's the tallest of them all. Anyone close to his size doesn't KHTB This is where Wilder comes in Yes He has the right hand. Yes He is ''fun'' to watch So clumsy, God gave him the perfect last name. Fury is not as sloppy as Wilder but much smarter. DW's resume is on par with these other slobs. If not for a certain ''MW'', this div would be a 10000000000000% laughing stock.